Guest Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 What is the deal with this? In some cases I think it must be dealt with (like the Ronaldo rape case, which is breaking the law) but what is the point of exposing embarrassing, but legal mistakes? Our prime minister Justin Trudeau is involved in a scandal because he went to a party in 2001 with a Turban and painted in black. It's racist but he was a college kid and it was almost 20 years ago ffs. What an embarrassing generation we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted September 21, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted September 21, 2019 Could be many reasons depending on the target. Money. Media attention. Political goals. Personal reasons. You name it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 People change. I'm certainly not the same person I was 10 years ago. It's bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 If It's there on Wikipedia Get used to your past being held against you by the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 It's no different to any other person, we are all chained by our past and it is often used unfairly against us. I feel sorry for no politician getting grief about anything, they put themselves up there. On the other hand, if someone is earnest in their apology and repudiate past views I do believe people should give them a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 People make mistakes, some more than others due to a multitude of reasons from upbringing, social demographics to bad guidance... It's those that reflect and have a genuine capacity to search for forgiveness because they know their actions were wrong no matter if they were based on ignorance, it's those people that not only earn the right to another chance even from the victims of said action, but more so that those people are the best types to then take action against that type of error that can occur to so many. I hope I was clear enough in what I just wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted September 22, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted September 22, 2019 I am a bit confused here, was the great singer, comedian and actor Al Jolsen a racist when he painted his face black for the film 'The Jazz Singer'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 6 hours ago, CaaC (John) said: I am a bit confused here, was the great singer, comedian and actor Al Jolsen a racist when he painted his face black for the film 'The Jazz Singer'? Canadians love to trash on Trudeau but this whole controversy of him going to a party as a college kid is just embarrassing. Trudeau should win the next elections, he's the lesser of the 2 evils and I hope something totally legal and normal that happened 20 years ago doesn't cost him before we get our very own Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted September 22, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted September 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Grizzly21 said: Canadians love to trash on Trudeau but this whole controversy of him going to a party as a college kid is just embarrassing. Trudeau should win the next elections, he's the lesser of the 2 evils and I hope something totally legal and normal that happened 20 years ago doesn't cost him before we get our very own Trump. Isn't this the third time that the images of him wearing blackface emerge? He's really into dressing up and cosplay it seems. A costume fetish maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 There's a difference between one random incident coming to light, and a really long-running sequence of consistently weird behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 19 hours ago, CaaC (John) said: I am a bit confused here, was the great singer, comedian and actor Al Jolsen a racist when he painted his face black for the film 'The Jazz Singer'? That looks pretty racist tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 No surprises with the negative reaction, everyone on here is absolutely fucked if they got to a position of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: That looks pretty racist tbh That's nothing... There used to be a show called the 'Black&White Minstral Show' back in the 70's and it ran for 20 odd years up until about 1978 and that drew in a regular 18Million viewers a week... I used to watch it as a kid and don't forget 'Love Thy Neighbour' Things like that are clearly not acceptable forms of entertainment in this modern era but were the accepted norm back in the day.. You can't change the past, only learn from it.. Some out there will not be satisfied until every book is burned and every statue pulled down to satisfy their bedroom fury... Can't find something to moan about or get offended by?? I know, let's go back in time because there are plenty of things to get upset about there that I can post on Facebook.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Harvsky said: No surprises with the negative reaction, everyone on here is absolutely fucked if they got to a position of power. Maybe that's why some such as yourself refrain from posting pictures of themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Reading my old facebook posts wants me to expose myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted September 23, 2019 Administrator Share Posted September 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, Stick With Azeem said: Reading my old facebook posts wants me to expose myself The memories thing comes in really handy. I delete a lot of stuff these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 If you've done shit like that you need to own it, not hide it and hope no one ever finds out. That makes it worse tbh, people should be held accountable for the shit we do but at the same time we need to stop trying to punish people for the sake of punishing them and allow people to develop and grow otherwise we will just go around in circles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 On 22/09/2019 at 03:55, Grizzly21 said: What is the deal with this? In some cases I think it must be dealt with (like the Ronaldo rape case, which is breaking the law) but what is the point of exposing embarrassing, but legal mistakes? Our prime minister Justin Trudeau is involved in a scandal because he went to a party in 2001 with a Turban and painted in black. It's racist but he was a college kid and it was almost 20 years ago ffs. What an embarrassing generation we live in. You live in Canada? How did I not know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Harry said: You live in Canada? How did I not know this I moved back to Canada about 4 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted September 23, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted September 23, 2019 If the tabloid press want to sell their paper's they will grab at anything for publicity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 23 hours ago, nudge said: Isn't this the third time that the images of him wearing blackface emerge? He's really into dressing up and cosplay it seems. A costume fetish maybe? Haha, what a man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Stick With Azeem said: Reading my old facebook posts wants me to expose myself Is that not something you are currently doing 'somewhere in the night' round where you live??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Bluewolf said: That's nothing... There used to be a show called the 'Black&White Minstral Show' back in the 70's and it ran for 20 odd years up until about 1978 and that drew in a regular 18Million viewers a week... I used to watch it as a kid and don't forget 'Love Thy Neighbour' Things like that are clearly not acceptable forms of entertainment in this modern era but were the accepted norm back in the day.. You can't change the past, only learn from it.. Some out there will not be satisfied until every book is burned and every statue pulled down to satisfy their bedroom fury... Can't find something to moan about or get offended by?? I know, let's go back in time because there are plenty of things to get upset about there that I can post on Facebook.. Yeah I get that things that are considered offensive now weren't always offensive. On the other hand, this Justin Trudeau thing is a bit different - it's one thing to show up in blackface at one costume party as a kid and claim "I didn't know any better" it's another thing with his 3rd photographed incident of blackface and he's only a couple of years younger than I am currently and not that far removed from the present day. I don't think he's really got an excuse at that point - it's not the 60s or the 70s anymore - he knew better at that point, he wasn't a kid at 29. I don't even know if it makes him racist - it's just a stupid thing to have done, it shows a just general lack of awareness. But that also isn't to say that people can't change and that he may have learned that what he was doing was very stupid and "at best" racially insensitive (weird throwing an at best in front of that - but that pretty much is the at best scenario for someone doing that in the 90s)... because it's insane to assume that people can't change. Especially when so many people I know are pretty substantially different to how they were 10 years ago. But I mean... not all things that are brought up from the past that people might have tried to forget they ever did should be forgiven just because "ah, it's a long time ago." If you're a rapist or a murderer... I don't think that shite should ever be forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I don't even know if it makes him racist - it's just a stupid thing to have done, it shows a just general lack of awareness. I think this... 2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: But I mean... not all things that are brought up from the past that people might have tried to forget they ever did should be forgiven just because "ah, it's a long time ago." If you're a rapist or a murderer... I don't think that shite should ever be forgiven. Totally agree with the last part, when I talk about things having been acceptable in the past I certainly don't include any forms of abuse, rape or murder in that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bluewolf said: Totally agree with the last part, when I talk about things having been acceptable in the past I certainly don't include any forms of abuse, rape or murder in that.. Yeah lol I wasn't saying you (or anyone else) would be like "oh yeah rape was fine in the 1950s (although I'm pretty sure that's not true), so this guy raping people in the 50s... nbd" . That was more just a throwaway line because on the topic of pulling up dark shit from peoples' pasts... I can understand Canadians thinking "yeah it's fucking weird that Trudeau liked to black himself up so much - but it seems like he's changed" (or something along those lines, although tbh I think it's weird he's said he can't remember how many times he's done it). But I don't think I could understand anyone being like "oh, it's alright that this lad raped and killed children" (although... I'm not sure anyone on here would ever say that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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