Vegan Kel

1 hour ago, Berserker said:

Well fair enough, it's your thing so it's expected you have investigated it thoughtfully before so vehemently defending it.

However, if animals kill and eat other animals why should we ban ourselves from doing it too as long as the species is not put at risk of extinction?

I'd 100% agree with letting the animals pasture naturally and killing them in the less painful way as i like them too, however i really like meat, dairy and the likes and i don't see myself living off plants, and nobody will convince me otherwise.

Killing animals for food is inhumane full stop. We are not carnivores and have no reason to breed and slaughter animals for food.

Regarding the 'holocaust', I've stated my views when Stan bizarrely brought it up in a thread about veganism when I said no humans have ever suffered like animals do. I am not going to lie about my beliefs because a forum full of manipulated dronebot Soggy Baguettes can't handle their beliefs being challenged.

I have also been told to recant my views which I will not do so see ya. No cunt tells me what to think unlike you mugs.

P.S. I never said Jimmy Savile was innocent ffs. That really is mental

1 minute ago, Batard said:

I'm troubled by this, Kel. The evidence is abundant

'Human' (actually goatskin) lampshades, 'human' soap etc? Why lie about something that happened? Also, why has the official figure of 6m been proven to be a lie even by the Jewish groups who campaign for 'holocaust survivors' yet never give them any money yet people still bang on about 6m? 

I really don't care about this a great deal. I just find it mad how people believe everything they are told. 

Next I'll be accused of hating Jews just because I believe this was an outright lie. That's like saying I hate Americans and am some radical Al Qaeda supporter because I don't believe the 9/11 nonsense.

I definitely believe Jews were persecuted and sent to work camps. That's probably as far as we are ever likely to agree

Just now, SirBalon said:

Ok, cheers. All I needed or know. Have a nice day Kel

Any evidence of it occurring? I'd love to hear of this

3 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Are you referring to Jewish people gassed in WWII?

Clarify why you used the Holocaust in your statement?

Are you in any doubt whatsoever it occurred?  

Stan mentioned the Jews that were allegedly gassed during WW2. Yes I do doubt it. Very much so.

I'd be delighted to hear of any non-anecdotal evidence and some non-provably altered photographs

Alex Jones is even more of an obvious shill than Joe Rogan. Only thick cunts think he is genuine

50 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

So with your words and your avatar, I assume you are vying for some sort of anarchy?

We require the rule of law and regulations to defend everyone including and fundamentally those less fortunate. We need mediation and an intermediary regulator for our safety and standards. What we plainly have here including Boris Johnson's own sister is telling us that what those that con are searching for is to give the 1% a big pay day while the poverty imposed upon this society has been imposed by our own government while scapegoating the EU.

Politics are extremely important, but politics that answer to the rule of law and regulations that work for all. There is nothing perfect, but better withing the bed of power to work for the betterment for all than what will inevitably punish those with less.

my avatar is of a hoody made by a vegan ethical clothing company so not sure where anarchy comes into it. The 'rule of law' sentences people to imprisonment for not paying taxes (or extortion to give it the correct term), punishes people for choosing what they can and cannot put into their own bodies and criminalises people for prostitution which literally has nothing to do with anyone bar the prostitute and the punter. Why would anyone accept the laws implemented onto them by a privileged class of criminals, thieves and paedophiles? 

Why are you talking about BJ's sister as though she is some paragon of truth? Politicians and their families protect their own interests. They have nothing in common with 99% of the people and they have done nothing but harm since as far back as anyone can remember.

The centralised fractional reserve banking system literally enslaves people via debt. It creates 'money' out of thin air and these bankers cause booms and busts whenever they desire and they use their media outlets to convince the gullible masses that it's just a normal occurrence. And they believe it because it was in the liespapers they read and the ten o'clock lies on TV. 

The system is failed and it will continue to fail until people realise that the only people preventing us all having a prosperous life are the ones behind the people idiots vote for because they are too daft to see that it's all a scam, and a very obvious one at that.

Look at how house prices have risen in the last 30 years, the cost of living rising at a far greater rate than wages while the CEO's of these corporations who run governments have had massive pay increases. This is not by accident. The system is designed that way. 

Divide and conquer occurs by controlling all parties and making it seem like they oppose each other. They are no different to Iron Sheikh and Hacksaw Jim Duggan hating each other in the ring and then getting busted doing coke in a car afterwards and politics deserves to be taken as seriously as sane people take wrestling. 

Why do you think what passes for 'journalists' these days never ever investigate anything? Whenever a 'terrorist attack' occurs there is zero investigation. They literally just parrot the official state line and we are supposed to believe it without question and most people do because they are unbelievably fucking dense.

"It's easier to fool people to convince people they have been fooled". Amen to that.

Why does Jeremy Corbyn, the man of the people, never ever mention ending the fractional reserve banking system? Because he is part of the establishment. Opposed the EEC/EU all his life then suddenly becomes pro-EU when (s)elected as Labour Leader, the same Labour who are funded by the Fabian Society. Have a look at their logo. Do you think they are trying to tell us something?

Until people stop blaming the Tories, Labour, Republicans, Democrats, some random freemason pretending to be a world leader, blacks, whites, Muslims, Christians, gays, straight people, foreigners etc for their woes and actually wake up to how society is structured and to who is really the enemy of 99% of humanity then the situation will never change for the better. The best slaves are the ones who don't realise they are slaves because then they have no reason to rebel against the system that enslaves them. Sadly people are more interested in Love island, men kicking a dead cow round a bit of grass for 90 minutes or playing dumb games on their computers to bother researching anything. if it was true it'd be on the news right? Kinell

2 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

The mods are chill, don't worry about it  ..plus it's more interesting than talk about united 

True that

Super Chrissy Smalling is on Football ocus now talking veganism with Jrmaine Jenas who is trying veganism out.

Also, anyone who wants to try veganism can do the Vegan22 challenge which offers free nutritional and dietary advice and a mentor to help people adopt a vegan lifestyle. Apparently it takes 21 days to break a habit so the challenge is to maintain it for 22 days and hopefully make it a life commitment. 

https://challenge22.com/

Just now, Happy Blue said:

Do supermarkets not sell a good one?

I usually just buy plant based wholefoods. The only meat substitutes I eat are Beyond Burger and Shwarma doner kebab/steaks. I don't think we should be posting vegan stuff here though or we'll get a telling off. There's a vegan thread for this 

1 minute ago, Happy Blue said:

Another micky mouse comp   ..what is the best tasting vegan chicken burger?  ..the Pagan one's are awesome but cant find a nice tasting vegan version

Best I've had are from Rudy's Dirty Vegan Diner and Temple of Seitan. Had a nice one from a stall in Tottenham last Sunday too. Marli's Vegan Kitchen I think it was

5 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

That's not correct Kel. You can't con someone on something they already have and knows full well it's not perfect. You can con someone to give up what they have by promising them what they'll get instead will be supremely better that what they previously had.

Why do you think the EU are any different to any other elite political organisation designed to subjugate the 'plebs'? Centralisation of power is never a good thing.

1 minute ago, Toinho said:

Wasn’t the intention. I’m just hungry. I Went pescatarian for a bit to see how I’d go health wise. I felt really good. Where I live though, there are very few options. I’ve got a few vegetarian cookbooks but not getting fresh ingredients out here in the regional communities makes it a little less appealing. 

I did myself at first. I ate fish, eggs and dairy for about three weeks before going vegan. It can definitely be quite daunting at first and I think a lot of vegans can forget that

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

Not going to get into a holocaust denial debate

Same

Just now, Toinho said:

Plants are alive. We hurting the plants  

Plants have no brain or central nervous system. They have no sentience. But let's pretend they do. Most plant food is fed to animals so the best way to save the plants is to eat them and stop feeding them to animals

1 minute ago, Gunnersauraus said:

You are aware that is illegal to say that? 

And what does that tell you? 

It's also illegal to treat your dying child with RSO or to not pay the government a portion of the wages that you earned from your labour

Just now, Toinho said:

I am talking about the whole process. 

All this makes me so keen for my fish and chips that are now ready. 

 

I've never understood why meat eaters think that telling me who they are having for dinner will offend me when I indulged in the same habits for 30 years

1 minute ago, Toinho said:

It would destroy a huge part of farming. 

Farm something without a pulse then

Just now, Stan said:

In the gassing context, both have suffered. That's my point.

I've witnessed pigs being gassed. I've never seen any evidence that humans were

3 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

I did indeed... I'm one of the conned. My character has never been one of digging my heels in when I've plainly seen an error I've committed. I did feel stupid for a while before admitting to friends and family that had warned me I was making an error... Just another victim but one that redeemed himself.

Both sides were conned. It's a scam

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

There will be other jobs producing vegan food. If something is considered morally wrong by a huge majority giving people jobs won't come into it.

Plus if your job is murdering animals then you need to seriously have a word with yourself

Just now, Stan said:

The quantity is obviously different but let's not act like people haven't ever suffered like animals have. 

They really haven't. Watch those videos I posted and name one group who have ever had that done to them. 

Basically, how would you feel if before you was even born the date of your death had been decided. That is the reality of pigs, cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys, ducks etc

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

Fair enough. Although what I meant is people in third world countries have to just stay alive. Don't think they are likely to to put animal welfare top of their priorities.

Of course. Indigenous tribes who hunt animals for example. They are doing it for survival and because they know no different. They can't go into a supermarket and buy meat alternatives. 

Veganism isn't perfect it's about doing the best you can

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

I don't necessarily think that is true mate. Maybe some do because of not taking vitamin substitutes. Good that you are least trying to. Really does get me thinking that I should do more.

It's also all the trendy Shoreditch vegans who eat vegan junkfood and wonder why they get ill

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

I think maybe in 200 years time 1st world counties may have given up meat. Always gonna be difficult for 3rd world countries though

The poorest people on Earth eat vegan diets. The cheapest food is rice, grains, vegetables etc

Just now, Tommy said:

I try to cook vegetarian 1-2 times per week, and fish once a week, but I'd never go fully without meat. It's delicious, and definitely not vegan.

 

90% of Vegans look ill. That can't be good. Just look at Moby. 

Patrick Baboumian doesn't look ill. He's quite strong too...