The Artful Dodger

His goal against Zaragoza is my favourite, thought I've done myself with my own faulty argument as they were undoubtedly poor opposition.

My mistake, don't know where I got that from then.

Villareal?

It was against Getafe who finished 13th in the Spanish second division.

Didht they?

1 minute ago, Cannabis said:

Had to check the second line of that post for white text - that's shambolic trolling.

Why? It's a lovely goal, but against substandard opposition. The equivalent now would be exactly what I said, there's no comparison to Maradona's goal in a World Cup Quarter final. Messi has scored many finer goals against decent opposition, this is only notable because of its likeness to another famous goal.

People tend to forget Messi's was against a second divsion side which finished 13th,  basically like Hazard scoring a mazy dribble against Barnsley.

Adams was already there, it's a convenient and possibly cheaper option than going externally.

Adams across as having serious mental health issues to me, I can't see it lasting long.

Will he be all that much use though? He seems to have completely disintegrated, it's a shame.

14 hours ago, Machado said:

It's a great record, I don't think the comparisons are particularly fair but it's certainly arguable he's better than any of those players at this age. 

Lot of credit to Pottechino too.

Has Sturridg been injured, again? I thought Klopp just despised him.

I think Liverpool's struggles against 'lesser' teams were largely in the absence of Mane, weren't they? I know they lost to Burnley early on and the odd other game but they largely played well in those games, just failing to take chances. Without Mane they are pretty impotent generally, I think they'll seriously struggle to hold on to a top 4 place without him.

Ray Wilkins is bald.

On 20/03/2017 at 5:16 PM, 6666 said:

They do prefer being the underdogs and reacting to what happens but unfortunately for them there's 14 other opponents all of whom are underdogs against them.

They weren't the underdogs in all that many of the games though, they were favourites against Arsenal most definitely.

It just gets worse by the call up, dreadful squad.

3 hours ago, Aaroncpfc said:

Let's just take a moment to appreciate how mad Weird World must have been when we voted to leave The European Union once he remembered a reason Scottish people voted against independence was because of the EU trade deals. He would take that as England personally fucking with him.

Quite rightly, too. The country is in an existential crisis at the moment, Scotland won't want dragging along with this and good luck to them, I hope they thrive outside of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately those of stranded in urban areas that have similar political inclinations have no such fortune and will be dragged into this Tory abyss.

Lukaku not signing a new contract apparently. He's not a player who actually improves the side as a whole (by that I mean the side is very much engineered to suit him, he scores but he's not good enough to deserve a side being set up like that for me), get 50mill plus in the summer and you're laughing.

5 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

How do you figure Haye knew he was going to lose when he won every round bar one before the injury though? Bellew' tactics were so good that he was down on every scorecard? Haye wasn't exactly out on his feet in the sixth and you can't say he wouldn't have landed as heavyweights only need one punch in the later rounds. After the first, Bellew rarely troubled him so I'm genuinely trying to think where this 'he knew he was losing' has come from. I don't even like either fighter, they're both massive pricks. Just genuinely confused how you thought Bellew would have had it won.

Bellew's plan was clearly to take the punishment in the first few rounds, keep as far away as possible but obviously he was likely to lose them in terms of aggression. Again, Haye was at no point really battering Bellew. Obviously the injury means we don't know what would have happened, I'm not saying it didn't help Bellew massively, maybe he wouldn't have gone on to win but he'd already seen off Haye's best for me.

It's just the fact people are desperately defending Haye as if the injury is an excuse, it's the fact he couldn't wobble a man a stone lighter than him that is more concerning than the actual loss. Bellew was the man at a serious disadvantage, a bigger gap in weight than between Golovkin and Brook and at no stage did Haye have that kind of advantage over hi,.

3 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Haye ruptured his Achilles tendon, it's a horror injury.

As far as the "Hayemaker" goes, I box (only for fitness, but I spar weekly with lads who do compete mainly white collar) I have done for several years now, your power comes from not your arms but up through your feet, your legs and your core. If you plant your feet and transfer energy it's that much harder a punch, watch a hook in slow motion. It's from planted feet the front which should be up on your toes, should swivel as if putting out a fag as you swing in,  you push in the direction of the punch and then to use the term "sit down" on it. The force comes from your base up through your core and out through your arm. Your arms just swinging aren't as strong as when you move as one, it's why most don't get knocked out with jabs, and when they do it's mainly a leaping forward jab in which a persons full weight is behind it. Watch top quality boxers their feet are just as important as their hands.

Haye has legit KO power, he did rattle Bellew in rnd 2 or 3 when he caught him, credit to Bellew his chin held up, but being dismissive of a man with proven KO power when he's on one leg is incorrect. From round 6 onwards i'd say Haye was hitting at as little as 50-60% of his potential,  If you don't believe me go to one of them punch things at an arcade smack it a few times then try doing it without putting weight on your feet, you'll see a difference. 

The rest of your analysis is also wrong, Haye won round 10 on one leg, he also comfortably won round 5 and was pissing round 6 until his injury, i'm assuming you watched it in the pub? have you rewatched it sober? I've watched it twice and as I said above:

Round 1 is 50/50 Haye wasn't settled, Bellew threw a few descent counter punches but nothing of any note, Haye was the aggressor

Haye then won rnd 2,3,4,5 and in 6 bellew only got a knock down by bumping into him because Haye is hoping on one leg as he'd been injured.

7,8,9 are Bellew but it's because Haye is literally standing on one leg swinging. 

11 the ending if you watch it Bellew misses every shot and belly flops Haye out the ring. Haye on one leg can hardly get up, his corner chuck in the towel although he did make the count comfortably.

 

 

Don't get in the ring and box after giving it all that if your body isn't upto it. Fact is Haye was banking on finshing it early and he absolutely failed, I'm not claiming Bellew is some sort of Mayweather master here but the bitter bile being spouted by Haye fans is ridiculous. The advantages Haye had were massive, he lost by not winning within 4. 

Sorry but you're argument makes no sense, you're apparently upset that I'm not giving Haye credit but he didn't do anything which seriously hurt Bellew in those rounds. He was flailing around like a madman at times, it was a poor fight in its entirety.

3 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

If you thought Bellow was up after four rounds, there's genuinely no point in having a boxing conversation with you. 

I never said that. Obviously Haye was going to come out aggressively but by the 5th he was spent and slowing down, he completely and utterly failed as a natural heavyweight to take down a significantly lighter man, Bellew's tactics early in the fight were spot on, he took the sting out of it and let Haye use up all he had. Haye was up, just, but he was hardly pummelling him, Bellew predicted what it would happen and he was right. You can blame his achilles, his toe, an itchy arsehole but he can't cope with anyone who can stand up to him. Finished flat track bully. 

On 12/03/2017 at 7:47 PM, DeadLinesman said:

Of course he'd say that though. This is a bloke who also told reporters he knew he'd win after the second round. He was down on every scorecard before that injury occurred. He simply couldn't put a one legged fighter past his prime away and has fallen back on exscuses and stories. Much easier to ask a bloke to concede than have to go toe to toe and look silly.

The man over a stone lighter than his opponent? The man stepping up a weight category, the man as high as 20/1 to win with bookies? I'm not sure how Bellew comes out of this badly. Haye may have been injured (I had suspicion an injury would crop up when he knew it was lost) but he didn't do what he said he could, he failed to come close to putting away a man smaller, lighter, fatter and everything else. So what if Bellew didn't KO him straight away, he played the fight well, took the sting out of Haye's aggression and stood up to this supposed vaunted Hayemaker. Haye is utterly finished after that. Bellew doesn't need any excuses, he won fair and square and had him beat after the first 4 rounds when Haye threw all he had and came up short.

I'm not even a Bellew fan, he's not a great fighter by any means but Haye is the only one who should be embarrassed.

80k?

I'll miss White Hart Lane, definitely my favourite ground I've been to.

18 hours ago, Cannabis said:

The Kings Dock is my preferred choice because of the destination and how it would look within the city. It's been hinted by the architect running the project and the Mayor of Liverpool that this is indeed the site so here's to hoping it's all true. 

I'd love an enclosed stadium to really get the atmosphere going, something modelled like the Allianz would be a dream.

I think Kings Dock is off the table now, with the Echo arena have being built there. The area they're looking at is the Bramley-Moore dock just north of what we'd consider the city centre to be and nearby the Stanley Dock tobacco warehouse. If this goes ahead, which it sounds like it will, it'll be a major boost for regeneration in the area and potentially expand the city centre northwards by just under a mile.

Stadium move is imperative for Everton, a 55k stadium on the docks is the dream. Let's just hope the council get this deal done, it would be massive for Liverpool as a whole and kick off a part of the city which has so much potential.

Liverpool dwarf Manchester City in terms of fanbse, in fact only Manchester United have a larger fanbase than Liverpool.

FSG are businessmen looking for the financial payoff, they won't increase the attendance anymore I don't think. They wanted to do the Anfield Road End but only with premium tickets, the rightful protest from Liverpool fans put paid from that. It might take new ownership to see Liverpool get a capacity which actually comes close to matching their support.

I'd say English football is at its lowest for a long time, as again evidenced by an abysmal performance in Europe again. Hopefully England will lose a place in the Champions League as it's a waste of time clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham being in it.