Moderator Tommy Posted October 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2020 Oh oh, so what's next for Red Bull? Renault? Surely that bridge is burnt. Ferrari? Who'd want that? Mercedes? Would they take their biggest competitor on as a customer? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 2, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Tommy said: Oh oh, so what's next for Red Bull? Renault? Surely that bridge is burnt. Ferrari? Who'd want that? Mercedes? Would they take their biggest competitor on as a customer? Doubtful. Renault would be forced to provide RB with the engine whether they like it or not, because they supply the least customers. Bad news for the sport, but not surprising. Those stupidly complex, expensive hybrid PUs with no road relevance have been nothing but a disaster. Hope RB partners up with someone like Cosworth now to build the engine for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 2, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 2, 2020 I'm also wondering what happens with Tsunoda now. Yes, he's a talent, but he's also primarily a Honda protégé. Wonder if he still has that Alpha Tauri seat lined up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2020 I reckon Christian has to unblock Cyril's number now! Finally this is relevant again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderator Tommy Posted October 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, nudge said: Max would probably still finish on the podium somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 2, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 2, 2020 I'm hearing rumours Red Bull are in talks with Porsche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2020 3 hours ago, nudge said: I'm hearing rumours Red Bull are in talks with Porsche Thinking outside the box to avoid Renault. Would be even funnier it it doesn't work out and they still have to go back to Renault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 2, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Tommy said: Thinking outside the box to avoid Renault. Would be even funnier it it doesn't work out and they still have to go back to Renault. Porsche was already toying with the idea of joining F1 as an engine supplier, although 2022 would probably still be too early for them as they intended to wait for the new regulations, preferably with next gen fuels. That said, they actually built and tested an F1 engine for their potential entry in 2021, so they definitely have a good base they could work on if they decided to partner up with RB from 2022, after all. I think if RB can't take over the engine manufacturing process themselves or find another proper engine supplier and have to go back to Renault, they'll pull out of F1 altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 2, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2020 So apparently Max unfollowed Red Bull Racing on Instagram. Mercedes' reaction though: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderator Tommy Posted October 5, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, nudge said: What exactly does that mean? They'd lend them their facilities or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 5, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, Tommy said: What exactly does that mean? They'd lend them their facilities or what? They'd sell the the engine IP (i.e. designs and tooling), meaning that Red Bull would have all the knowledge required to manufacture and develop the engines in house or contract it to some external partner, and Honda also seems willing to help them out in the process. That's insanely expensive though, so I doubt RB will choose this path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 5, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, nudge said: They'd sell the the engine IP (i.e. designs and tooling), meaning that Red Bull would have all the knowledge required to manufacture and develop the engines in house or contract it to some external partner, and Honda also seems willing to help them out in the process. That's insanely expensive though, so I doubt RB will choose this path. Ah, cheers, got it. I really need that Christian Cyril reunion for entertainment purposes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 6, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted October 6, 2020 Whoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 11, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted October 11, 2020 https://streamable.com/033pgk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Subscriber nudge+ Posted February 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2021 Good news for Red Bull. Surely they'll take over Honda's engine IP now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 06/10/2020 at 09:18, nudge said: Whoa I think Honda are just happy because it's a good way to recoup some of the losses of their return to F1. I think they were hoping developing these complex engines would drive Honda R&D more for other useful applications outside of F1... and instead they just found it to be very expensive and didn't give them much practical R&D work outside of F1 at all. That IP is a lot more valuable to Red Bull than Honda at this point, so best deal for all parties involved tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 11, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2021 Forgive me for being very stupid here. What exactly does an "engine freeze" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted February 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Tommy said: Forgive me for being very stupid here. What exactly does an "engine freeze" mean? No more power unit development allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 11, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, nudge said: No more power unit development allowed. Oooh, thought as much but didn't believe it because it sounds very drastic. Interesting. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted February 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, Tommy said: Oooh, thought as much but didn't believe it because it sounds very drastic. Interesting. I don't really see that as very drastic. Completely new engines will be introduced in 2025, so basically from 2022 the teams will have to use the last homologated engine spec for 3 seasons. I actually think it makes sense, as the teams will be able to spend more time (and money) developing completely new engines for 2025, instead of looking for slight improvements in the current ones that will soon be obsolete anyway. Any gains will have to be made on aero - so maybe we will see some crazy ideas there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted February 15, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted February 15, 2021 As expected, Red Bull are taking over Honda engine IP and will build the engines themselves once Honda leaves at the end of 2021! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 16, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted February 16, 2021 So, it's me with the silly questions again. What does that mean exactly? Red Bull can use their facilities? Honda still builds stuff for them but in the background? They give them the pieces and the Red Bull engineers have to out the engines together like a Puzzle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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