Fairy In Boots

Lol look at this

and people wonder why you have “shy Toryism” I genuinely Don’t think these people grasp they’re facists 

8 hours ago, Danny said:

I’ve accepted the result mate, unfortunately it is what it is and have to hope the Tories don’t make the country any worse

Ive not defended Corbyn’s anti-semitism at any point, just pointed out that Johnson and the Tories racism, anti-semitism and islamophobia is far worse. Not to mention their horrific view of Grenfell, it’s victims and those who support them. But people have their reasons for choosing the Tories either way.
 

I know you’re partly on a wind up which is why I’ll leave it there but the irony of you being a massive Islamophobe and referencing Corbyn’s toxicity through anti-semitism is irony of the finest order

yes but there’s a bit of a difference between me being a cunt on a forum and the leader of her majesty’s opposition. 

Also islam is the religious version of Marxism if you adopt it as a state you hit the reverse pedal. I’ve said many times it’s the ideology I’m fundamentally opposed to, the practitioners I view as brainwashed. Bit of a difference 

this is why I laugh, it’s what my kids do when I say no sweetie before dinner

2 hours ago, Michael said:

"Harbourne is part of the Edgbaston constituency that stayed Labour. Bournville is about 2 Miles from my house. Both Birmingham constituencies that flirted with conservatives last night Northfield and Erdington are the two white working class wards, total collapse of the vote for Corbyn. Also worth noting that both of these are what’s left of white working class Birmingham with increasing demographic change. "

Yes, Harborne is part of the Edgbaston constituency where Labour won and Bournville is part of the Selly Oak Borough constituency where Labour won as well. In fact, Labour won quite comfortably in their Selly Oak constituency. I noticed which way Northfield and Erdington voted. I suppose then the Northfield, Selly Oak, Edgbaston and Halesowen constituencies are mostly white middle class wards then.

The demographic picture in Birmingham has seen a huge change over the past 20, 30, 40 and 50 years. The East, North and Western parts of the city are very multicultural these days. Different ethnic minorities are known generally to vote in a particular way and politicians try their hardest to get their vote. Every community has their own issues and that influences the way they vote. But Birmingham has historically been a very working class city.

Yes you’re right Bournville is Selly  oak, they will be a Tory voting area though, the selly oak part that keeps it Labour is the Balsall Heath that’s high 90’s Muslim demo now, Kings Heath and moseley are trendy gentrified guardianista areas. Selly Oak is the university campus nowadays. 

Northfield is Bartley Green, Weoley, northfield, Longbridge, Kings norton. White working class areas that voted leave. 

Funnily enough I’ve just got back from dropping some beers off to an elderly family member for his birthday in Northfield. I asked what he thought about last night “brilliant, I don’t think people realise how close we came to a Marxist government, I was more concerned with that than Brexit” 

On labour

”they have got a war to fight to rescue the party from these momentum nutters”

on local mp who has gone

”75k a year they earn, he’s been in the seat since 1992, 27 years and what’s he ever done for us? And when the party needs him what’s he do? Nothing the man’s a sycophant pandered to the hard left”

hes a life long labour voter on a full civil service pension was a civil servant since 16 man and boy, yesterday he voted conservative. 

The fact he used “they” not “us” was telling. 

Also @rando I’m not half a cunt in real life here though it’s 7v1 so I’ve long since given up on rationalising with people and have resorted to chucking grenades. 

5 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

I'm sure you don't live that sad of a life that this is what you're most pleased about. Hopefully you voted based on your own morals and the belief that this will be better for the country rather than the prospect of enjoying "those salty Lefty/Remainer tears" and that this is just a reaction to the people who have called you names in the past. Again, you strike me as someone who actually loves the country being divided and other people being upset but then again you did say you didn't care about the NHS a few pages ago as long as you can afford private healthcare. 

Let's see how Brexit goes before deciding who was "way off". None of this changes the fact that even the government's own projections show that Brexit is going to make the country worse in the short term, that even Rees-Mogg said it could take 50-100 years to see an improvement and that just about every Economics professor in the country thinks it's a bad idea which is ironic because the Conservative Party's main attack line against Labour is that they'll ruin the economy. Just because a lot of people voted for something doesn't mean it'll be a good thing. People voted for Hitler and the Nazis once too.

The 'lefties' might be crying today but if you're going to include me under that umbrella then I'd rather give you the satisfaction of other people being upset about a life that they haven't voted for being inflicted upon them by other people and go on to live my life with some compassion than sit on my opinions. The side you voted for won fair and square so go and celebrate with like-minded folks rather than rubbing it in the faces of people who are gutted because they genuinely believe (and at this point it doesn't matter who is right or wrong) that their lives and their friends', family's and children's lives are about to get worse for the next 5 years. This wasn't a football match, it's people's lives.

oh Diddums. I’m sorry the left don’t get to play the victim, as an ideology broadly speaking the behaviour of most of them has been disgusting for years. It’s typically aggressive quick to pidgeon hole dissenting options and vile. I get your quite mild mannered but the wider support out in the world isn’t. Fuck them I laugh at twats crying because “the nhs is going to be privatised” that’s political suicide it won’t happen. We had 24 hours to save the NHS 2 years ago then 2 years before that when all the damage was done by New labour under Blair. 

5 hours ago, Michael said:

Yes, well that's happened in quite a few constituencies around the country, all due to Labour's poor campaign and due to the fact that Corbyn put a lot of people off with his radical views on politics. There are a lot of people who would of been opposed to many of his policies, landlords being one of them. 

But at least you live in a decent part of Birmingham, I've been to Northfield and it's quite nice, being located next to some of the better areas of Brum like Bournville and Harborne.

Harbourne is part of the Edgbaston constituency that stayed Labour. Bournville is about 2 Miles from my house. Both Birmingham constituencies that flirted with conservatives last night Northfield and Erdington are the two white working class wards, total collapse of the vote for Corbyn. Also worth noting that both of these are what’s left of white working class Birmingham with increasing demographic change. 

5 hours ago, Stan said:

Says more about you than anyone else really.

Haha don’t care I’ve literally howled with laughter at dummy spitting by the likes of Lily Allen. Fuck her she’s a silly cunt and happy to put the boot in but obviously can’t take it

4 hours ago, Danny said:

The thing with Corbyn is how can you genuinely say you could never vote for him and vote for Johnson? Whether people like Corbyn or not Johnson is catagorically more of a cunt.

But that sums this country up because Corbyn has put off a lot of older Brexit supporting Labour voters, but he also attracted the youth vote last time around where Labour had a monumental increase. He just couldn’t sustain that this time around and the loss has been pretty shocking.

There are a lot of good women that could be in the running for leadership and I look forward to change tbh, a less divisive Labour Party amongst its own voters is the only way they’ll beat the Tories in 5 years time.

Just lol give your head a rattle digest the results take a deep breath and say out load “the British public saw corbyn for what he was a nasty little antisemite terrorist loving socialist cunt” and then maybe you will realise he’s toxic. 

4 hours ago, Gunnersauraus said:

He's a twat. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, thought maybe he's a nice guy just with different views. But he really is just a nasty peice of work. 

lol I’m the nasty one absolutely no self awareness today it’s brilliant 

4 hours ago, MUFC said:

I best start saving up in case I need to go to A&E.

are you for real? 

3 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Well I don't think that's true. Part of what he says on here is a reaction to people calling him names first. I don't know whether the chicken or the egg came first but any name calling by anyone isn't helpful now. I'm not defending some of the things he's said in this thread, I've challenged them myself, but challenge his words if you disagree with them rather than challenging him as an overall person if you get what I'm saying.

You mean debate me, what a novel idea, maybe we should do such things on a forum?

54 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

I’m going to get the ‘bias bbc, bias media’ response to this. But check out other news outlets, Facebook, Twitter etc. They can’t all be wrong....

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-voted-for-tony-blair-but-dont-mention-corbyn-in-sedgefield-9k7cv0wj7

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/why-jeremy-corbyn-unpopular-polls/

 

 

Lol BBC bias is another funny one utterly mindless from some of them. 

1 minute ago, Stan said:

Nadine Dorries went in the jungle while still serving as an MP a few years ago so that insult doesn't really hold much ground

 

Who cares mate who cares.

Jo Swinson smashed

Corbyn smashed

Labour red wall Breached. 

Notting Hill carnival will be held in a Tory seat next year. 

The middle class virtue signalling guardianista types have been smashed. 

What a day, sat on my sofa enjoying the lefty tears

3 minutes ago, Pyfish said:

Just an overwhelming sense of shame and disappointment everywhere this morning. This isn’t right.

Yeah I know I’m embarrassed so many voted for Corbyn to tbh they should be ashamed for themselves.

4 minutes ago, shut up said:

Labour could have had Tom Watson, Tony Blair or Jess Phillips as leader and still the same result. Corbyn will rightly step down, but this loss is little to do with him imo.

Leadership election coming up

Tom Watson has lost his seat, Corbyn has tried to blame Brexit and in seats like Yvette coopers it’s the Brexit party that have kept Labour in. 

This is very much a rejection of hard left politics. 

Groundhog Day but get out your echo chamber for Tory’s to take seats like Blyth it means collectively the Corbyn voting lefty’s are way off. 

Chucka and Anna Soubry gone oh this is glorious. You will both on “the jungle” in 12 months time with a mouthful of kangaroo testicles as they struggle for relevance 

I now live in a conservative constituency Birmingham Northfield has flipped, first time in my life. What a great morning 

1 minute ago, Gunnersauraus said:

No mate. Less it's straight. People wanna blame immigrants because they can't get a job. Johnson tells them it's immigrants fault you can't get a job. Johnson also told them brexit will be good for the country. A huge majority of PHD economists and business owners  don't. Instead of believing the most knowledgeable people people believed johnson and farage.

Tbh this is so poorly laid out I’m utterly confused by it and have no response. Wtf

2 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

Aristotle once said that the problem with democracy is that people will vote for sweet shop owners over doctors because the sweet shop owners tell them what they want to hear 

Not in this one, the sweet shop owner offered the nationalisation of sweets and 10% stake of the sweet manufacturing company and they still lost

Blyth suggests a massacre

53 minutes ago, Stan said:

what are you on about?

Brag all you want and be all 'told you so' like an absolute smug wanker but plenty have said for ages, probably since referendum, that if Corbyn put up stronger opposition we wouldn't be in this state of such a large majority for Tories.

Lol

39 minutes ago, Stan said:

Farage trying to take credit for Brexit getting done (whenever that is) despite his party getting fuck all . What an absolute ballbag he is.

Totally irrelevant to politics yet still gets a fuck load of airtime.

Brexit party not contesting Tory seats fucked the Lib Dem’s and their resurrection toppled May. 

31 minutes ago, Pyfish said:

Forecast that the Labour seat in Grimsby, held for over 70 years, has a 99% chance of being Conservative. Fuck.

Get used to the good life 

17 minutes ago, Stan said:

Mark Francois just actually compared breaking the Labour 'red wall' to breaking down Berlin Wall in 1989. Wtf man.

It is an idealistic wall to break, this will change our politics. Now you will have Tory mps pushing agendas that their constituency’s require, Boris will be centralist I think

18 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think if the labour leader were literally anyone else, we'd be seeing different results imo.

7 minutes ago, Stan said:

If Labour had a better leader this would be much closer. Absolute embarrassment.

Like rats fleeing a ship

Just now, Harvsky said:

Bloody hell. If exit poll is right continuity Remain have absolutely fucked it.

Labour have collapsed up north. 

I’ve told all of you this was an echo chamber and the way the wind was blowing in the country. You make light because I form my opinions from the multitude of people I talk to, but I’m pretty much on the money with this and Brexit. 

Maybe a bit of diversification of opinions might do some of you some good. 

7 minutes ago, Stan said:

Are you genuinely saying no-one ever mentions the fact she's black when she receives shit loads of abuse?! 

Pretty sure I read recently there was research done in to the amount of abuse she gets in comparison to any other MP. Across a 6-month period she received more abuse online than the whole Tory party put together.

 

Yeah I get that she gets that on Twitter but because some troll calls her the N word on Twitter she’s suddenly immune to criticism? 

Would you hire her to work as your assistant? 

3 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

Surrounded by spads and high ranking civil servants though. That's how ministers come and go so easily. Jack of all trades masters of none. 

Yes but those departments still need leadership granted with some macavellian spad also pulling strings. 

7 hours ago, ...Dan said:

Other countries don't exist to be useful to the UK...that's a bizarre way of thinking. Just because you can't fathom how people can care about people from another country, it doesn't mean they're faking it to "look like great humanitarians".

Also, why the random insult about Bristol? You know nothing about Bristol.

I spend a couple of days a month in Bristol have done for 3 years, nice city but the folk are a bit thick. Just lack common sense on the whole or a lack of what I would call “streetwise”. I appreciate that’s an intangible so it is just my opinion. If it make you feel better you can say Brummies are cunts!

Also you can’t gave it both ways in Israel someone has to lose out, unfortunately it’s the Palestinians so let’s just get on with it.

5 hours ago, Harvsky said:

If this is a symptom of something wrong it should be met with empathy and concern, not ridicule. 

Member of Parliament is just a job.

Not home security isn’t just a job though, it’s arguably more important than the chancellor. The protection of 64 million people rests on a women who is blatantly not fit for purpose. Hypothetically but let’s say we suffered a series of significant terror attacks and her lack of leadership will cost lives. 

4 hours ago, Stan said:

I'm pretty sure Fairy as well didn't like it when people got personal about Tory MPs  

Nope just the double standards of it’s ok to take the piss out of Tory but not labour. I say both are fair game. 

4 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Hasn't that photo already been debunked?

Abbott is hated because of who and what she is, several politicians have made worse gaffes, been more dishonest etc. It's clear as day.

Nope was posted on Abbott’s own Instagram yesterday apparently, on twitter labour bots are pushing a photoshop agenda. 

4 hours ago, Stan said:

Because she's black.

Nothing to do with her being black, just to do with the fact she’s a moron. Nobody ever mentions black apart from people trying to deflect the shite going her way because she’s a clown. 

3 hours ago, 6666 said:

Right wing voters falling for bullshit once again. This is new.

Interesting that shoe wearing policy somehow became an important issue when talking about which party to vote for... At least it's a change from the bigotry and the envy towards the needy receiving help.

See above both sides play dirty in modern politics. Or would you prefer I called you a lefty expletive is that more palatable? 

I’ll answer some of you later when I have time. 

Now though just remember you’ve voted to give this woman control of national defence. 

Yep odd shoes and on the wrong feet, has to have had a breakdown she’s thick but that’s blatantly Retàrded

1 hour ago, Danny said:

I hope the BBC’s bias against Labour and for the Tories throughout Corbyn’s leadership is reviewed, its genuinely been shambolic from an organisation that is meant to be based on impartiality. The Russell Howard Hour does a better job on scrutinising Labour/Tories impartially and hes a fucking comedian 

Lol the BBC has been 3 remain vs 1 leaver on its flagship political programme for 3 years now and your talk about unbiased is a lefty comedian from Lib Dem cousin fucker Bristol give your head a wobble. 

1 hour ago, Stan said:

Yes because that's why Rochdale vote Labour  fucking hell man.

Yes it is Stan, some constituency’s it’s that ingrained that our politics has descended into tribal bs. You ever been in an ex mining village?

Also Rochdale was where Brown called a typical labour voter in that constituency a bigot and they still voted. 

51 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I apologise if I've got you wrong and you are actually well read on the intricacies of the middle east, have engaged with both sides of the debate and tried to get a well rounded picture of everything. I just imagine the first you'd ever heard of the 1985 tunis bombing was when you read it about in the Sun/Mail etc, if that's incorrect, then I am sorry. I have tried to read as much as I can, yes, from both sides of the argument.

It's not just the right, there are plenty of the left who don't know the very fundamentals of the creation of Israel, history of Zionism etc. It's why there is no hope, if people don't know their history properly then they won't know anything about the present and future.

Lol I’ve not read the sun or star or mirror is 20 years. Mail online I do see from time to time but it’s typically shite about Kardashian’s. 

I know about the creation of Israel and displacement of Palestinians, however I side with the Israelis because basically they’d be wiped out if they didn’t have the state as they have been in pretty much all of the Middle East now. And the fact a free Palestine would basically offer us fuck all, it would be about as useful as chocolate teapot. It’s just a vehicle for people to make themselves look like great humanitarians. Where’s the upset from the Labour Party against the ethnic cleansing in Burma? 

It’s basically a stick for socialist to beat Jews with because of the banking system nowadays let just be honest. 

What does a free Palestine offer us? Cheaper oranges? A few dates? 

30 minutes ago, Spike said:

That isn’t policy. You’re voting based on emotion.

Mate it’s UK policies aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. What we have is a PR centric bunch of clowns on both ends of the political spectrum with very little desire or ethics themselves. I always liken British politics to The Thick of IT, because that’s how I genuinely view both politicians and the upper eschelons of the civil service. What could be more “the thick of it” than Boris hiding in a fridge or Gordon Brown saying “what a bigot” with a hot microphone. 

I negoiate deals that can reach a few mill in value so I’ve been through the same media training they go through, you’re taught to twist back to the central message you get across your prearranged point no matter how they try to throw you of guard. Hence Boris just keeps saying “get Brexit done” and you rarely get a straight answer from any politician. 

It’s for that reason I go to the core principles to decide my vote, as the grassroots memberships push agendas that the political invertebrates push themselves in turn, the vast majority of career politicians have no convictions of they’re own. They just play a balancing political posturing act to increase their standing. 

tory grassroots are less state lower tax more independent freedom.  My kind of thinking 

Labour tend to be more tax and more state, broadly central if blairites or now as the party is hijacked by momentum rabid socialists and we all know how that turns out. 

FYI U.K. services are shit, brutally inefficient and expensive bloated beyond sense in red tape. If we had German efficiency it may be different but it’s not more tax will just go some way to line civil servants already overstuffed pensions.

Corbyn and his gang are arguably less career politicians than the others granted but they’re more fundamentalist and knowing the way the U.K. works and what makes us tick I think Tory is best. 

This should be the death of Corbyns labour and hopefully we get a better opposition in 5 years time. Tories  have been shite because they haven’t needed to do anything for ten years now really, competition sharpens all. 

Unfortunately you have tribal voting in the uk hence the sub 30 demographic being widely labour they will lose that in ten years as they grow up and see it for what it is as a political system. 

21 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

As if Fairy In Boots has the foggiest idea about anything that's ever happened in Tunisia, Israel or anywhere in the middle East, this is the problem. Too many people talking about what they know nothing about. Sadly its many of our politicians, on all sides. 

Ignorance used to be something which people were ashamed of and hid. Now people parade it in plain sight, even deny its existence. 

Yes because you have an accurate understanding of my knowledge of the Middle East. Love the tactic of being dismissive though great job. 

35 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

Case in point @Spike the entire city of Liverpool are rabid socialists and they blame the cities problems in the 80’s on Thatcher (not entirely accurate btw) but they would vote labour if even if the local candidate raped their old dears they’re that far gone. Likewise shitholes like Rochdale still vote labour despite labour not giving a fuck about their children being raped by the new ethnic voting demographic they’re happy to court. 

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Yeah, I can safely say without even reading that list or looking up any alternative sources that nearly all of them are indeed lies. Corbyn has only been stated to be the most 'smeared politican of all time' recently by the news press.  He could molest a gallic rooster for all I care, as long as the policies are better than the alternative.

Here he is in Tunisia 2014 at the ceremony for the Palestinian terrorist behind the Munich Olympic terror massacre of Jewish athletes. 

“A wreath was laid but I don’t think I was involved” genuine quote. 

The selective memory in this thread is hilarious, the man’s a cunt, thank god he’ll be history come Friday. I’d be ashamed to say I’d voted for him. 

Anyway majority today, on Facebook you see “I’m voting labour banners” this year it’s 50/50 I smell a majority . 

9 hours ago, Stan said:

@Fairy In Boots where do you copy and paste your posts from ?

I saw on FoxesTalk someone mentioned the exact same first 3 lines that they'd seen from another forum. So copied one of the lines in to Google...

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?61422-General-Election-2019-Boris-Poll-Dancing/page38#.XfFoLGT7RPY

https://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/off_belay/what_no_jon_ashworth_thread-713440

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1204521836874227712.html

https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/boris-and-the-sick-4-year-old-kid.39713/page-7

https://www.facebook.com/LBC/posts/im-still-a-bit-undecided-about-my-vote-direction-this-coming-thursdayive-obvious/10157745977861558/

Seems a bit odd you'd do it word for word as well  

It was the last post from Facebook I just copied and pasted, if it was a tweet I’d have just posted the tweet. Think that’s how it’s spread

6 hours ago, BartraPique1932 said:

Someone in St. Petersburg just blushed.

Hardly a Russian bot, more like me seeing something funny and thinking “Ha I’ll post that and wind the lefty bastards up.”

Tbh I didn’t event read past the first 6 lines, I thought fuck it I’m chucking that grenade, it’s late I’m busy I can’t be arsed to keep arguing 4/5 on 1 I’m just going to troll a bit. 

I do think it’s funny how whenever anything negative comes out against sides you guys back, you lot get all paranoid about the Russians. It’s a bit tinfoil hat I must say

9 hours ago, Spike said:

Steady as we go, increasing spending and not increasing the coffers, at least the Labour Party are trying something drastic, instead of the slow decline the nation is on... Child poverty at 40%, the largest rise in poverty since Thatcher, enjoy your personal wealth mate; you must be swimming in it; because the rest of the country isn't.

I'd tax corporations double that

Lol I understand I’m  still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal  with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.  
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really...

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Because it's the US government demanding we put NHS on the table for post-Brexit trade talks?

Belgium's compulsory health insurance reimburses for "general care" out of a public fund btw.

No the US government is saying they don’t want tariffs on drugs, if you think the US want to take on the iceberg of economic shit that is the NHS you’re insane. 

Trump even shat on this about a week ago, the basis for this seems to be Corbyn who’s defaulted to the 2017 tactic of “the Tories will sell off the NHS” and it works for the sheeple of this country. 

Fyi the NHS already purchase US drugs they have done for some time. 

6 hours ago, Spike said:

It is compulsory in USA to have health insurance. 

As opposed to whom? Surely not their Tories and their magical pot of money for health, education, and defence? Here I was thinking that the UK is in it’s worst financial state in a long time.

Lol the Tories with the magical pot of money, have you seen Labours manifesto? 

There’s nothing shocking in the Tory manifesto it’s pretty much steady as we go bringing down the deficit. 

Labour are up to 100bn in spending and 80bn in tax increases, 26% corporation tax by 2024 that will do post Brexit. 

The problem is with the U.K. is yes we are lower tax than say Germany so our services are pooorer but if you were to up tax would the level reach German levels? Would it fuck British state ran entities tend to a tremendous waste of money and brutally inefficient. That’s why they were privatised and we enjoy more personal wealth. 

17 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Congrats on the clean bill of health, but what about the fact the NHS negotiates drug prices for the UK - whereas in the US it's insurance companies negotiating those drug prices. And the result is... health care ends up being significantly cheaper overall in the UK (and in all countries that have public healthcare services, when compared to the US). Did you know that in the US, ambulances cost money for the person who needs an ambulance? To the point where people will turn down ambulances because they don't want to drop 5 grand.

Also look at the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the United States. 2/3 of US bankruptcies are due to medical bills. It's a fucked situation where people sometimes just turn down their treatment because it's just less of a hassle to die and have money to pass on to your family than it is to get treatment.

Getting rid of NHS is tacitly telling the working class: 1.) be healthy at all times, 2.) if you aren't healthy, be prepared to go broke, 3.) if you aren't prepared to go broke, prepare to die. 1 is unreasonable, 2 is also unreasonable and morally questionable, 3 is unreasonable and morally abhorrent. 

And if we follow the US model further, we're talking about a pretty large expense that businesses will be taking on. Benefits packages are how businesses attract good workers - getting rid of NHS means one of the most highly sought after benefits will be healthcare coverage. What that generally means in the US is your employer subsidises your health insurance. Businesses that can afford it will have to expend a significant amount of money that could go towards: hiring more workers, R&D, marketing, you know... shit that makes businesses money and drives the economy. That's why even a Koch-brothers backed US conservative think tank actually found that the Bernie Sanders' plan for something similar to NHS - https://theintercept.com/2018/07/30/medicare-for-all-cost-health-care-wages/

It also means that part of your wages are deducted to cover the remaining portion of the insurance. Personally, I fucking hate this. I'm paid pretty well and I hate seeing my money go twice a week to something that I'm most likely not going to be using more than once a year (yearly checkup)… unless something bad happens to me - which so far has happened twice with a drink driver hitting me while I was on a motorcycle and when I severed my tendon. And I'm thankful I had health insurance because of those two incidents otherwise I'd probably be in any condition to even be sat here at my desk typing on a keyboard... but I think I'd have been more thankful if the US a public option which meant an overall cheaper experience through those medical nightmares & higher wages for me twice a month (because if you read what that Koch think tank found, it found greater savings for businesses, indicating workers would have higher wages on average).

We get rid of NHS and we're going to have the same problems the US has with it's healthcare industry. But in a country where overall the wages are lower and the cost of living is higher - and these issues are probably why people, regardless of partisan affiliation are feeling fed up with the overall system. Because at the end of the day, the primary benefit the NHS confers on all UK citizens (regardless of whether if they use private health or not) is the significantly lower drug prices than you'd find in the US. And you'd be asking British businesses to either clog up resources (which isn't very "business friendly Conservative" of you) or to not give a toss about the health of their workers (which is advocating for shite business sense).

The most compelling argument for the UK being rid of the NHS is that you've got shares in American pharmaceutical giants and you want to make a killing, in that regard. Otherwise, it just seems to be a way to make more problems in the UK and it'll negatively impact those that are already feeling most left behind and betrayed by the government.

I’ve not read this it’s late it’s a big post. On drug prices 

drugs initially cost money they’re expensive they’re produced on license for a fixed period then after that period they can be produced elsewhere as the forumula is made available by the regulators to whomever wants it so the price comes down due to increased supply. 

So sanofi for example will get a drug spend millions and 5-10 years getting it corrrevt rested, approved via clinical trials etc etc. The regulator ratifies it and they get a 5 year license. At which point Sanofi sell high because they have the monopoly on the market and they need to recoup the initial investment and turn a 5 year profit that satisfies investors so it will be within the ballpark of 50% 

at this point they know this is a finite bubble so they start on the next cycle. This is the cycle of pharmaceuticals. 

This idea that the NHS can dictate price does make me laugh, sure bulk buying may get a better discount but the regulator and market competitors do more globally. The NHS cater for a domestic market. 

Paracetamol used to cost tens of dollars a tab and now you get 20 tablets in the U.K. for under a £1 for example. 

I know this because I know a very senior guy at sanofi and I know a company that makes the machines for replicating pharma process for” pirating” (their term) these drugs once the license runs out. 70% is paperwork and litigation In pharma, that’s what impacts costs. 

Also why does a private health system automatically get compared to America? Why not like Belgium where it’s compuldory health insurance? 

I agree at free at the point of use car for u18 and life threatening injuries such as A&E but too many fatties taking the piss out of an over burdened system is really the problem. 

Also I have private health with work not a big fuss at all