Fairy In Boots

On 01/06/2019 at 19:18, Stan said:

Or skin colour.

I don't fully understand what people say though when the say a certain city is 'not English any more'. What should it be, by their standards? 

 

English by cultural influence and behaviour. For example and you can probably relate, I was talking to a mate of mine who’s a Sikh and he’s going Barcelona next week and I he was telling me how he loved Spain. I said “don’t you go back to India much? “

His response “ not if I can help it, it’s a fucking shit hole, Spain is nice”  

he wants what he’s used to a western lifestyle, born & bred here. Indian by heritage but very much English and at odds with “the old country”. 

However Cleese is right;  What happens in impoverished ghettos because they are ghettos in our cities is England. Western culture retreats as the areas become less desirable to live in and the demographic shifts so the original culture from 1st or 2nd generation migrants takesover. A great example is the “anti LGBT protests in Brum” I tell you now and you will dismiss it most likely but hey ho. There are parts of our cities where integration has completely failed and you have areas that are closer in culture to countries thousands of miles away that 5 miles away. 

2nd & 3rd generation black & Asian flight to the suburbs is proof of this. 

On 02/06/2019 at 23:35, Inverted said:

I'm absolutely supportive of immigration, but to me the troublesome aspect of much of the rationale rough which people justify immigration is that it is based on an economic logic in which continual growth is required. I think we've reached a point in economic history at which highly developed countries should cease to seek economic growth as a goal in itself. There is enough wealth overall. Our economic problems are no longer to do with the amount of wealth, but with allocation and distribution. 

Obviously, the problem is that capitalism is founded on a need for profits to grow which presupposes a growth-oriented model. 

But even if we even want to maintain our current level, immigration would still be economically valuable, with an overall ageing population, not to mention the tendency for immigrants to help lessen particularly acute labour shortages such as in healthcare. 

And finally of course immigration has social and moral justifications which go beyond economic quantification. 

I work in automation and cheap labour provided by immigration has slowed us down and suppressed wages. Since the decision was made to leave the EU I’m spending 10-15% more of my time in universities supporting medical applications for collaborative robot projects. 

Litigation does take its time and clinical trials take the piss but in reality with the tech that’s being worked on now we could in all seriousness do away with a significant portion of the NHS staff and provide better care. 

I was at one the other day, dialysis in your own home fully portable. Has taken them 10 years to get where they are and still the NHS drag their fucking heels, it’s all been funded by venture capitalists though those fuckers why can’t they just divide up their money amongst the poor? We don’t need their financial speculation on life changing medical care 

2 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Delusion. Then I’m the one taken to task on questioning words chosen but with the content intact and factual so as to try and discredit it in some unusual way. People should keep their eyes open and use the simple tools learned in elementary education. Nothing more is really required unless one has conditions.

If it’s in response to my post, I’m just pointing out Lammy is a bit of a cunt. You’re referencing a moron. 

Also on Cleese the idea that one of the brains behind “life of Brian” gives a fuck about “social outrage” is funny. He’s right too London is a shithole riddled with knife crime and ghetto estates, Birmingham has followed suit. 

On 30/05/2019 at 23:16, Inverted said:

So the two biggest political groupings in the country right now are viciously pro-austerity Remainers, and No Deal supporters. 

At least we've found one unifying issue for the country: 80% of the country is in agreement that the disabled and mentally ill need to keep being driven to their deaths. 

Encouraging stuff. 

Poll was designed to downgrade the Brexit party, it’s since been proved shite as they’ve taken the lead. Farage is a very real possibility for PM now.

On 01/06/2019 at 18:31, SirBalon said:

 

Educated in Harvard USA, the U.K.’s answer to race baiting idiot Jesse Jackson is David Lammy

9 minutes ago, Stan said:

About time. I'm guessing you would have done it last season but couldn't afford it?

Probably but he’s not had the full amount, word is he spends his days in a working men’s club drinking he couldn’t be arsed to train and collect his £3m so he’s gone for a bit less to fuck off now. His personal life is a catastrophe apparently 

We’ve paid off Ross McCormack he’s gone 

I wouldn’t say Joshua is a complete fraud he did stop Klitschko, however he got dropped off a straight jab in that fight, that suggested he’s not indestructible, I certainly think Wilder would stop him. 

Ruiz is no bum though 

Micah Richards is finally gone £7m  he had from us, scandalous. 

Hutton, Adomah, Whelan, Jedinak, Bunn, Elphick & Ritchie De laet have all left the club. 

Loathsome has gone but it’s too little too late they’re going to get smashed tomorrow and then it’s really on, I can’t believe the Tories still haven’t knifed May

1 hour ago, Cannabis said:

I feel quite smug that GOT ended up shite. I could have told you all years ago and saved you the trouble. 

It didn’t though. 

Rewatching this last season helps, there’s so much you miss it initially. 

Dany was a dragon and eventually became a tyrant herself although her intention was good her drive to get there made her no different. 

Jon put duty above love and he is the shield that guards the realms of men. 

Bran wont die, knows all history and can’t be corrupted. 

The starks started out as weak pawns in the game, by the end the 4 are all that’s standing 2 are monarchs and two are free to roam and do whatever makes them happy. 

I think this will be GRRM’s ending I wouldn’t bet against it now tbh

3:20 it’s perfect sync with the lyrics 

Because I have been away and the Mrs didn’t see it but I watched it on my tablet we rewatched episodes 4&5 and I have to say it makes a lot more sense watching 4 again after knowing what comes in 5. Cersei says too get me she’ll have to kill thousands smirking

Tyrion in s4 to the people of KL “I should have let Stannis burn you all” why grief/anger. The fan base “yeah fuck them cunts, go one Tyrion & the fan base now “innocents”. 

Cersei literally blew up half the court with the sept of Baylor incident. She had bastards rounded up and put to death. Had a nun raped & tortured for the rest of her days, plotted the murder of kids (Dorne) wanted another Direwolf killed (Sansa’s), gave people to be experimented on by Qyburn and decapitated a captured adviser to Daenerys just last episode. 

And people call Dany mad . “Oh she’s mad because if they don’t bend the knee she kills them” 

Have any of you read a history of an absolute monarchy? Her actions to those who opppse her rule are perfectly sane, “bend the knee or fire & blood” It’s common in this series if you’re defeated or given the option to opt out of a conflict you bend the knee or die. It’s a formal act of fealty 

Tyrells did it to Robert, 

Greyjoys did it to Robert

most of the histories have examples of bending the knee, Stark to Targaryen is one.

If you don’t you force a life or death scenario in that position you have a rival claimant and rival claimants eventually = war, if you don’t punish you inspire other dissent which weakens your authority and eventually leads to being challenged. It’s breaking a few eggs to make an ommlette. This is basic human/animal nature I’m surprised so many can’t grasp this. 

Dany isn’t mad she’s lashing out because she is angry, overcome with grief. She burned down the tent with other wives of the khals that was more nuts than this tbh. 

Since arriving in Westeros 2 of her dragons are dead, most of her inner circle from Essos is dead and the people don’t give a fuck she’s just sacrificed thousands (although D&D have resplendent them for action shots) of her followers to protect them from the Night King. She tries to offer a peaceful solution and Cersei rejects it killing another important part of Dany’s group so Dany finally snaps and burns the fucker down. @Harry it’s not bizarre at all, it’s the logical step, mercy would have been harder for someone to deliver. Cersei forced her into a position that made her attack Kings landing, innocents die in sieges. 

It displays of Cersei’s madness to, she surrounds herself with innocents in the hope she is portrayed as protector but she would kill them all given the opportunity. She continues to provoke Danerys so she is as much to blame for the bloodletting 

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

When you say hard copy books do you mean none of that e-book reader bullshit like the Amazon one? If so, good man - I've tried so hard to like e-book shite but it bothers my eyes for some reason. Maybe they're better now than the one I used years ago... before I sold it because using it pissed me the fuck off while just grabbing a book and reading an actual book didn't piss me off.

But yeah, they obviously had to trim a lot from the books to make it work with a TV show. Particularly this season, where sometimes GRRM would just waffle on about backstory - family members of the characters he's describing, shit like that. It's all interesting information, it's world building and is part of character development, but it doesn't serve any purpose in driving the main plot - particularly on a TV show where there are other ways to develop characters. And for 6 seasons, I think the show did a good job - even though it deviated pretty significantly - at telling it's story and developing the characters.

On the plus side, I think that means there's plenty of GRRM written source material for spin-offs if they're prequels. There's stories he tells in the background of the story he's telling in his books - and Westeros and the world he's built have obviously captured millions of fans attentions. So I think if HBO wants easy money, they can probably pretty easily start with a "Rob's Rebellion" type show, and probably more than a few others - but there's a massive history for the story's world that exists in the existing source material.

I still enjoy the show, it's clearly a masterpiece. And in terms of the production of the show and the cinematics of this season, it's all incredible. But I'm just annoyed at the drop in quality with the writing since the source material's dried up - I think a show that had such a long run of fantastic writing deserved better for it's final season. Having said that, I still think the show is strong despite all of the flak it's getting here (and tbh mostly elsewhere, the last episode's been panned almost everywhere - and I thought it was a much better episode than the episode before it, but apparently I'm one of the few who thinks so).

I won’t give Jeff Bezos a penny of my money if I can help it, entire industry revolves around print I buy a book new then donate to charity shops and that’s my reading philosophy

One thing I will definitely ageee on is the dialogue has been poorer post martins source material, I think you could have stretched it out 100 episodes but I’m still mindful that such a big symtory needs trimming to display in this media, it’s why I still read hard copy books in this digital age.

Foreshadowed in season 2, but bumbaclarts think it’s suddenly cool to suggest it’s ruined because there’s no high brow verbal sparing 

2 hours ago, Cicero said:

It would've been treason if Dany was the righful heir. She isn't. The fact she killed a man who knew the truth and wanted to do what was best for the realm, shows how paranoid/obsessed she is in nature.

Visery's i'll give you. 

She knowingly finished a great house's bloodline, something Tyrion desperately advised against. This was well before they knew of Sam. 

The cherry on top was that the City surrendered, yet Dany decided to still kill the innocent. She could've been the better person, but just showed she is just as evil as Cercei. 

Nailed head. 

Still think he kills Dany though. Been saying this for a while. 

 

1 hour ago, Cicero said:

My sentiments exactly. People are expecting the predictable (Jon killing the Night King. Jon + Dany ruling. Arya killing Cercei) but with the exception of the Hound killing his brother,  the writers are not giving in to the fans demands, which I'm all for. Apart the lazy writing, I enjoyed this season. Last night's episode no exception. (I firmly believe all would of been better had HBO granted them more episodes vs merely 6) 

@Harry You and I both discussed in the past that Dany showed signs like her father, and it is now undoubtebly true. Showing no mercy for her brother. Killing the Tarly's. Paranoia that everyone, including the ones she loved, would turn against her. It is fueled even more that she isn't even the rigthful heir, belieiving to be all her life. 

What separates Jon from Robb, is that he wouldn't ever let love come before duty. It was worrying that the writers disregarded that seeing Jon did nothing when Vary's burned, but all was good when Jon held his men back when the unsullied continued to fight. 

I'd love to see a Jon vs Greyworm showdown. Also good to see Jon getting whiskey dick now he knows Dany is his aunt. 

Varys committed treason, the Tarlys forced her hand. Vicerys deserved it as well she knew, she’s lost 2 dragons on this continent whom she viewed as children. This is the city where her family were slaughtered and she gave them offers to surrender. Cersei answered by killing one of Dany’s closest friends, so they got what you always get when a Targaryen comes knocking “fire & blood”

35 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I liked that episode best of the season so far, but this season’s rushed writing is bothering me.

Ah well, we’re so close to finally seeing how this ends.

I think it’s gonna go one or two ways. Either the Azor Ahai prophecy comes true (with either Jon or... Arya) or Dany kills everyone else

She’d won though. Then she decided to “burn them all”

See above, she couldn’t contain her anger/wrath/grief/desire for vengeance. 

General comment to all; I think at this point if you’re expecting a lord of the Rings style ending where Jon is king all the bad guys get killed after heroic duals & confrontations then we cut to a feasting scene where the hound, Jamie, Brienne, The Starks & hot pie share and ale before going into the west to live happily ever after then I think you’ve wasted 8 years of your life I’m sorry to say. 

I was going to liken it to Iraq in the previous post, but I saw this tweet and pretty much the point of it all, we’ve been eager for Dany to give them “fire & blood” for 8 seasons, when she gives it she’s suddenly “mad” how many opportunities at Mercy did they get, she offered surrender many times? Pretty similar with the US & U.K. giving Iraq “democracy”. 

Theres never been a sack of a city that was clean, it breaks down into rape & pillaging everytime even as recent as conflict in Syria. The “game of thrones” as it’s now entered cultural lexicon is quite simple you win or you die. That’s true in Yemen & Saudi or Northern Ireland. 

Any anti trident protestor, watch that trident is our Drogon. I’d rather we didn’t have to have it but the reality is we’ve not moved on from medieval times only our technology has. ASoFAI is social commentary on a grand scale it’s brilliant. 

21 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

I understand Danerys arc. But what about Jaime. He spent 7 seasons learning a different way, redeeming himself and getting over Cerci. Then when he gets what he truly wants 10 seconds later he fucks off back to slag features for literally no reason.

Well the baby in her belly was Jamie’s she’s always been something he couldn’t say no to, his arc was that of a villan but humanised where as Dany’s of a hero but demonised. It’s what makes martins work better than most other type of work because he explored the grey, nothing is black and white. 

 Setting aside tv & books differences and looking at the series as a whole and I mean ASoFAI here Cersei was always supposed to die with the arms of her younger sibling wrapped around her as the life chocked out of her, she always assumed it was Tyrion. Jamie was a few minutes younger. It’s a nice twist 

The ending would always be bitter sweet, this has been foreshadowed for years. In the house of undying Dany walks through the throne room of the red jeep with ash gently falling, she’s said multiple times I will answer with “fire & blood” yes she’s become a monster, that’s the whole fucking point. 

Jon has effectively become Ned and we all knows what happens to those to honourable in the game of thrones, it’s simple you win or you die. We all want the fairytale ending but the whole point of the story is that nothing is ever perfect, I personally am fine with it all. 

My main gripe is troop counts getting silly

7 hours ago, carefreeluke said:

@Fairy In Boots

What have you made of Tammy?

Scored a lot of goals not good enough for top 6 though he misses a few and has a few games where he just can’t buy a goal

2 hours ago, Stan said:

@Fairy In Boots where in Majorca did you go? 

Cala millor

23 hours ago, Cannabis said:

Dubrovnik is lovely, as is the rest of Croatia. I've just booked to go back there as one of my holidays this year actually. 

Wouldn't stay anything less than four stars for the reasons stated above. Sounds horrendous and not something I'd put myself through.

It’s great facilities & food and there’s nice families to it was just a bit shocking first 48 hours. It’s a 3* waterpark hotel me the Mrs & 2 kids 2 weeks all inclusive was £720 x3 my boy was free. 

It’s ideal in May because mine are under 5 and it’s about 20-25 degrees. They don’t notice it and they’re enjoying themselves. 

@Tommy Cala millor on the east coast 

19 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah my fiancé was shocked that Brits can also be fat fucking slobs like in the US

Costs the NHS millions, body positivity is a crock of shit. It’s being called “fat cunt” that got me down the gym years ago 

8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah, that's the thing about those all inclusive places. They're great, but yeah... there's something about "typical" holiday destinations like Majorca and those all inclusive resorts, they see so many tourists that they bring in all the chavs out on holiday.

I remember having the same "oh god, it's embarrassing being British" feeling when I was there too. Fuck 'em though, you're on holiday. Enjoy yourself mate, it's time off with your family over the next couple of weeks in an all inclusive resort. Have a good time! Do your best to ignore embarrassing dickheads,  they're not actually a reflection of you (even though it made me think "aw fuck, I hope people don't think I'm like them just because I'm also English") so really they shouldn't embarrass us.

Oh I got over it, just took me back the state of it. We have an obesity crisis in the U.K. too massive issue it’s becoming like the states