Fairy In Boots

3 hours ago, Marc said:

Thoughts on the Serena situation?

Disgusting behaviour I felt sorry for her opponent, the happiest moment of her career completely overshadowed by a whinging cunt whinging that she wasn’t a cheat only for her coach to admit “yeah I was coaching”. Terrible loser is Serena 

22 hours ago, Danny said:

And you've got Hogan as well ffs 

But only one centre back, it’s scandalous really

Abraham is a big buy nothing but automatic promotion will be acceptable for Bruce

On 07/08/2018 at 18:14, Eco said:

Why does it look like the Aston Villa crest is photo shopped to be perfectly straight? 

Redesigned for the behest of Nike some years back so kids it was easy to mass produce on some far eastern sweatshop 

8 hours ago, Cannabis said:

 

He’ll double his money and go in the summer if we don’t go up

Rumours we’ve offered Terry a Player/coach role after the transfer embargo has been lifted.

53 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He won’t get called alt-right as long as he doesn’t act like goosestepping is his favourite way to walk around.

*edit* I don’t really appreciate the insinuation that I’m not English because of grandparents. British is my only nationality. Or that I left to chase money because I wanted to make my life easier when I’m old.

And I want to come back to the UK ASAP. I fucking hate it here now. So please don’t ruin my country.

I’m not saying you’re not British, what I’m saying is that given your background you’re going to be predisposed towards a certain viewpoint given that Brexit has been painted in a certain light  particularly xenophobic. 

If I struggled to make that point initial then you have my apologies for any upset caused as wasn’t my intent. 

The only thing I did question was your grasp of how the mood is on the street among the common man being so far removed. 

1 hour ago, Harvsky said:

It wasn't possible for May to do that without facing down the majority of her own MP's and probably losing. There's no consensus for no deal and that is very important. We are not a dictatorship.

It is the nature of the makeup of parliament that is the stalemate and the weakening position. Hitchins was right from the start, Brexit by referendum rather than by general election can't be done well due to our specific parliamentary system.

It’s why her election was a farce, it was an opportunistic gamble for more majority that backfired because she’s got no personality and Corbyn bribed a significant portion of the youth among other issue. 

Cameron’s resignation should have triggered a full election based on Brexit because the  Tories needed a full Brexit cabinet, the knifing of Johnson by Gove is probably one of the most selfish acts that has damaged Brexit, he was heir apparent and could have probably rolled through the first 12 months on momentum alone. May lacks that, she’s a dithering old cow trying to please everyone and upsetting all in the process. 

6 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

@Danny did come back and admit he was 10 pints down when he posted that to be fair.

Fair enough didn’t see that. 

Shows how it’s a war of perception though and not the actual topic at hand. 

A great example is just yesterday the BBC ran stories about vote leave Facebook ads, then quietly in the small hours this morning issued a very small correction as they had been pushing fake news.

In terms of what’s been done, a lot of legal requirements have gone through Parliament etc the problem now is May’s watered down version hasn’t washed with her party or the public so it’s crisis in the government. 

Politics is a thing that appears to move so slowly and nothing happens then all of a sudden many things happen in a short space of time. 

It will come as no suprise to any that I won’t be voting for a May led Tory government again and i favour no deal rather than a shit deal. I’d have told them to F off word go and really jammed them up, she’s been way to soft. 

23 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Everyone that posts in this thread regularly is more than capable of backing up their political views with sound argument whether they are 29th generation "propa Bri'ish" or they happen to have an Asian grandparent or two.

Whether you support Remain or Leave I think you can look at the fact that it's been over two years since the referendum, and there has been very little progress towards a deal that needs to be struck in about 9 months' time. Recently two of the three main figures who have been working towards, well, something presumably, have resigned.

The EU had all the leverage at the start, now how are they supposed to take this woman seriously that wasn't even originally pro-Brexit (but fair enough people change their mind and she might even have done that for reasons other than personal gain and the chance to become prime minister, who knows), then proceeded to call a snap election thinking that she would win by a landslide but instead was forced to make concessions to a Northern Irish party that nobody in Brussels has ever heard of in order to form a government, and now in two years has failed to agree on a strategy for Brexit with her foreign secretary and Brexit minister or whatever David Davis was called.

If you actually look beyond "what's going on in the country" (which is what by the way? Eugh I really didn't want to get into another debate on this but here we are) and think about what Brussels and the other major players in Europe think of us right now, to them Theresa May is surely a laughing stock with us as a country not far behind her in those stakes for ending up with her running the show.

I admit that Brexit might have some benefits. It will also have some drawbacks. However, nobody really knows whether we will end up better or worse because it's unknown territory in the modern day for us. What is clear though, is that we've already paid two years of political instability, arguably some international credibility, certainly some of our positive relations with other major countries, and look set to pay, according to Rees-Mogg, up to another 50 years of uncertainty, pain, or at least a lack of benefit, depending on how you interpret his words, all for something that might be better than what we already had.

Now admittedly, I'm only in my 20s, I'm a teacher so obviously I won't be capable of commenting on a Conservative government in a fair or balanced manner, and I also left England to move all the way to the Isle of Man this time last year, so it probably doesn't matter that half of my undergraduate degree was in Economics, including specific modules on international trade, customs unions, globalisation in general but I'll share my viewpoint on the general level anyway.

The thing with Economics is that nobody knows. It's unpredictable, and every small change you make as a policy maker could go in several different directions. During the module on trade unions etc, we had a very engaging Italian lecturer, who would often ask us which point of view was better, and his running joke was that the answer is always "It depends". One thing that was clear when we learned about the history of trade unions and how they developed from small agreements between 6 or so countries into major organisations like the EU and WTO, is that creating and joining these organisations resulted in a net welfare boost for member countries. There may have been some where it didn't work out but on average you do well out of it. If there wasn't economic benefits available then trade and globalisation wouldn't be so widespread. Okay it doesn't work every time and there are exceptions but if you look at the history of organisations like the EU, there is a reason that there are so many more instances of countries joining or expanding their existing unions and organisations and very few examples of countries leaving because they think they'll be better off on their own.

I'm pretty sick of this debate to be honest. Both sides have had their say about the pros and cons of Brexit umpteen times and I've just been guilty now of going into it again but bringing us back to a more relevant point, I just don't see how the position we find ourselves at this point in the Referendum to Brexit timeline can be anything other than a cause for concern. Sure, Remainers trying to play the told you so card isn't helpful and there's still a chance everything will turn out to the nation's benefit but that chance is surely less now than it was two years ago.

It’s fucked because May is a bottler and as a result she will eventually lose her premiership and her political career. Boris will challenge I’m betting he has to otherwise the Tories face annihilation at the next Election and Corbyn will do long term damage to this country if he gets in.

Sounds so familiar and that’s when Labour politicians were principled and not shameless sell outs. 

Also, I think you’re miss understanding my point mentioning Gonzo’s grandparents or whatever, I’m just pointing out that they’re not British and that he’s been away for a decade. If you don’t think this has an effect on what is very much a nationalistic issue then you’re wrong. There’s very much a perception that Brexit voters are white racists because that’s the way remain voters are eager to portray them. It’s identity politics. 

Also cark or whatever his new name is said Brexit caused islamophobia, how ridiculous we had 3 terror attacks last year you clown. How you can blame that on a decision to retake democratic power from a pan European coucil is beyond me. Europe is seeing rises on the far right across the board, was that caused by Brexit? 

Fucking ridiculous some of the shit attributed to it on this forum

21 minutes ago, Inverted said:

I live in Britain and don't have any foreign family connections, so I guess that makes all my points valid by default.

Or does just having any kind of social connection to any other country, or speaking any other language, devalue your opinion on British issues?

No but not being in that country means you don’t get a feel for the mood effectively. You’re in a country that voted remain as well you’re at odds with the majority of the rest of the isles. And as I’m sure you well know Scotland has a bit of a different culture than England or Wales. 

14 hours ago, Harvsky said:

Because my full point is about pulling people back from his grasp. Even you've now added "stagnant" and "bleak" to a subjective implication. Can't you see what is wrong? That is your language, the interpretation you want to enforce on it all instead of you know, getting a journalist to ask him properly and not a shoddy journalist who thinks getting a powerless backbench MP to resign in 1 year is actually a good use of a question. Adding a subjective implication is not a good move. Especially an ecomomic one like that given the context of economic bollocks from those associated with remain, it strengthens his hand and is tone deaf to those who may be amenable to him. 

Quality political arguments are about winning people over. This thread is more about getting upvotes from inside the bubble.

Harv it’s not worth your energy mate, you’ve got an Iranian/Brit in America, a German & a young Brit who spends most of his time backpacking around Australia & they know more about Brexit & the general mood of the country because the publications they gravitate to which reaffirm what they want to hear tell them so. 

Me & you who reside here 24/7 and looked at the Brexit as more than many of the headlines don’t know diddly squat, better just shut up. You’re going to start getting called “alt right” soon on this forum if you carry on. 

15 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Universities produce left-wing voters because quite simply most jobs require a university education these days. You can't become a fucking air hostess or a party planner without a degree these days. Right now if you're not in some kind of higher education, you're either gearing up for a life on the dole, or you're one of the lucky group who've managed to get an apprenticeship in a trade, or have a family job lined up for them. 

This conception people have in the wider world of uni students being some fringe group of elite middle-class ideologues is totally outdated - a uni student is essentially the average prospective entrant into the job market. And the market these days is horrendously competitive, and employment is extremely insecure. 

It's natural that people in that position support pro-jobs, pro-housing, pro-employee policies, etc. And even more strongly, they'll oppose the loss of workers' protections and the potential loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs that Brexit will cause. 

The old idea of the working class is outdated because the worker of the future - and by worker I mean even those existing in more precarious financial conditions - will be educated beyond a high-school level. 

Yes & no, I agree many have gone to UNI now and will continue to do so as society shifts that way. However I think that changes on location and background it’s not free south of the border and poorer people are still entering the labour market. Therefore there’s still a significant voter base that are the traditional voter for Labour, I guarantee half the folks on this board from ‘up north would class their folks as this. 

Regarding Uni, It’s popular to be left leaning, it’s entwined with youth culture this counter culture movement than resonates on campuses. Still a lot of shy Tories in UNI though, they just keep quiet because they want to get their dicks wet and don’t want rabid shouty lefty’s protesting them. 

In terms of socialistic policy it’s popular among the youth but as you get older you become less idealistic and migrate right with the idea that “you had to work for it, they should to” attitude. I would say this point has shifted from 30-40’s now due to people not entering the labour market until mid 20’s due to extended education. Hence you get a lot of early 30’s still loving off Corbyn, they’ll grow out of it.

My sister was rabid for him 2 years ago she’s got a better job now and moved away from him, still hates Tories though “fox murderers” she says she won’t vote next election. 

8 minutes ago, Kowabunga said:

Powerful speech. Nasty ending look and finger.

 

She’s had a liquid lunch by the look of it

Just now, Inverted said:

I don't know what traditional Labour voter means but she's vastly at odds with most Labour voters, party members, and indeed her own constituents, but nonetheless she sticks on a red rosette and jumps on the Labour bandwagon at the right times to get into Parliament, and then instantly pulls a volte-face once she's safeguarded her position and is free to pursue her own demented personal agenda. 

 

Traditional labour voter means working class from industrial areas with lower education who by and large voted leave. If memory serves it was approx 60/40 to remain with labour voters, labour voters are traditionally more poorly educated than Conservatives and leave was more prevalent among those who only had lower basic GCSE education. It’s the element that deserted Milliband In favour of UKIP and cost him that election. 

Pre Blair they were an also ran party not enough in number to win a general election, labour stole the centre ground with Blair so they shifted focus and imported votes via mass immigration and the long march through the institutions hence universities are rabid lefty types mostly now predisposed to vote Labour despite the party being as useful as a chocolate teapot because “thatcher stopped the milk” and “tories are evil”. I do find it hilarious how they’ve betrayed that element, they fucking hate Corbyn 

4 hours ago, Cannabis said:

As someone who has very, very little interest in politics how secure (realistically) is May's job? I've never given a shit who runs the country but even I think she's absolutely shit. 

She won’t fight another election they just haven’t found an heir yet and they need to because she’s doing damage now. 

11 hours ago, Machado said:

The very existence of this question proves you love your flag too much, like Farage and his type, addicted to an extinct empire.

Lol I do think it’s a fundamental difference between continentals and us Islanders just how ready you seem to jettison national sovereignty in place of a pan European solution. 

It’s also not longing for empire, I accept that’s well gone but I see a potential for the U.K. to thrive on its own. I also believe in order for that to happen we need democratic accountability from our decision makers not unelected Eurocrats in Brussels doing what’s best for the money maker Germany. 

18 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Stuns me that Labour haven't a found a way to jettison bigoted deadweight cunts like Kate Hoey, who are substantially further to the right of most Tories, and who clearly have little interest in opposition. 

Hoey in particular wouldn't be a jot out of place in the DUP. 

Ironically she’s more in touch with traditional Labour voters on Brexit than the trendy Corbynista types who think the world will end when we leave the EU. I live in a staunch labour constituency, Brexit is tremendously popular 

I do think Remainers have some kind of Stockholm syndrome with the EU. I just can’t fathom why you would want to surrender democratic sovereignty, it just baffles me entirely. 

1 hour ago, Inverted said:

I reckon you're the type that it strikes a nerve with. 

Not at all I’m early 30’s from a single parent family raised on a notorious council estate in Central Birmingham, I’d bet good money I grew up harder than 90% of this board. I’m very much a blue collar Tory. 

1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

What a train wreck 

Best thing that could have happened after her botched election, hopefully they do her over here and her car crash premiership goes to the wall. 

5 hours ago, Inverted said:

Keir Starmer, hopefully.

I reckon you’re the type that calls people gammons 😂

6 hours ago, Kowabunga said:

You like to tell yourself that. 

Seriously the gif doesn’t show it’s effectively a blank post

3 hours ago, Kowabunga said:

 

Doesn’t show 

May is a traitor and the polls have reflected that. Davis has resigned hopefully she’ll get knifed within 48 hours. 

12 hours ago, Dan said:

We're signing Maddison anyway. Wasn't sure where we'd fit both in.

You were after Grealish but Spurs & Newcastle offered “silly money” I’m not sure if that’s wages or fee though