Harry

Sorry just saw gonzo already said that

We also know much more about the flu and have vaccines for it.

https://chaser.com.au/national/local-man-ready-for-pandemic-if-it-involves-nothing-but-going-to-the-toilet-for-12-weeks/

Is it making news at all in the US though? Corona virus seems to be dominating followed by democratic primary stuff, and Trump's general crazinesss and bad appointments and decision-making.

I'm trying to remember the timelines of events from the weekend to make sure I'm interpreting this right. Get out of there Stan!

Looking different mate. Winter John.

Agreed. You can read the tea leaves pretty easily now in looking at the situation in Iran, Italy and South Korea in a manner that would have been evident initially in hubei. In all three locations it's clear that actual identification of the cases is hugely lagging the reality on the ground and therefore best to treat everyone who's been to those affected locations as being infected until proven otherwise. I wonder whether we were lulled into a false sense of security by the relatively effective containment of some previous nasties like ebola and sars.

I'm not joking at all mate. I'm suggesting that there may be a conversation worth having about whether more extreme measures like China's are justified in these circumstances, even if it means imposing on people's individual freedoms

Iran is clearly a mile behind in their ability to test and diagnose this virus. At the rate at which people coming from Iran seem to be infected you'd have to assume it is quite widespread there.

It's not funny mate it's tragic, like the end of Romeo and Juliet, or a version of star wars where Luke Skywalker gets killed by a drunk driver on his way to the final battle.

I think both Italy and South Korea are at the point of being out of control similar to how things were in Hubei before the Chinese government made some big calls to build a fence contained to that area. In more freedom loving westernised countries it will be interesting to see if less extreme measures can be as effective.

I quite enjoy wums on a Forum when it's done right but this one really lacks nuance and cleverness.

Interesting there's been no new cases for the USA when yesterday they had a case where they had no idea where they contracted the virus from.

So if this thing does hypothetically become a full global pandemic and it just becomes a matter of when you get it not IF you do, I ask the question... When do you want to get it? As late as possible in the hopes a cure or vaccine is produced? Or as early as possible, to build up your immunities early and recover from the virus at a time there is still capacity in hospitals?

Do we know anything more about Germany? Is it an outbreak or7 people returning from Italy? I can't find anything in English. My brother in law is flying out of Berlin airport tomorrow, to Australia via London and Singapore.

Other countries should have mobilised faster to take more precautions around Italy. Hopefully those other countries will be able to stamp out their outbreaks and stop them propogating. I'd spare a thought for the people in Italy and South Korea too though. A week ago both countries were in comparable shape to others, but things have changed rapidly for the worse in less than a week. People must be reading the papers there every day and just getting more and more panicked feeling like the virus is bearing down on them.

A good friend is flying back from Japan on Thursday, and on Saturday my brother in law returns from Germany via Singapore. To think they could be infected and contagious for a week before they even know they have the virus does make me concerned, particularly given I have young kids, which are surely a high risk category of person to be affected by this.

It's annoying theres no consensus on masks. If everyone wore even basic shitty ones surely it helps the spread of virus to others, albeit to a lesser degree than significant hand hygeine and other facets.

I'd like to know if all the cases identified where they can pinpoint the date of infection based on contact with the host what was the median incubation time between the infection event and the development of flu onset symptoms... Two weeks just seems way too long to be the common onset period

I read an article recently from someone from Indonesia who want sure whether the lack of identified cases in his country was a good thing or it meant his government and medical profession were just so behind the ball that they hadn't even registered it yet. It is genuinely scary with this lag time between contagion and symptom development.

What are the latest figures from China or is it no longer being reported?

Australia's number was at 14 but we had 7 people on the diamond Princess who have been added to our tally and now are back in Australia

Same! Shows how good @nudge's updates are that we're relying on it as a primary news source.