Fairy In Boots

My 2018 post of the year right there. Happy new year Bud A Star is Born 7.5/10 Really good actually, iy Lost a bit of steam around about 1hr 20 in for 10 mins but on the whole quite good. Also I don’t care I’d absolutely smash gaga

Of course it’s not an indicator but you get a feel for the way an economy is going, it’s cap ex investments I’m dealing in and businesses make 2-3 year predictions & forecasts when apportioning budgets etc. Obviously some businesses have sat on their hands because of it, automotive & BMW being a main one. JLR have a perfect storm of problems, which they blame on Brexit but it’s falling demand in China & US plus diesel being in the halfway house globally while awaiting emissions tests in reality. That’s also curtailing Nissan but the Japanese car manufacturers are all investing in U.K. plants over the next 5 years. I’m in and out these places regularly talking to project engineers with signed off budgets for investment. That’s my baramoter for saying I’m not as concerned as the papers would have you believe we should be. Aldo WTO isn’t a shark tank, part of the reason these EU negotiations have been appalling is firstly May not being very good but she’s gone post Brexit & screeching remainers ebbing away her bargaining power. It’s basic negotiation, if it’s apparent the other party is desperate because of whatever factor you can get more. Screaming remainers have almost undoubtedly emboldened the EU to press for advantages in certain areas. If they had kept quiet and the EU had bought the No deal threat we might well have got a decent deal. The irony of militant remainers inadvertantly pushing us towards a no deal is hilarious for me personally

Balon is being stupid, he’s hysterical at times in this thread. It’s got a whiff of “the Sky is falling in” about it. And yeah I work for a global blue chip engineering company and I travel the country to deal with small to large multinational corporations on a daily basis speaking with guys on the shop floor to boardroom level supporting industry leading technology. It’s given me a cross spectrum from the approx 1000 various people I’ve spoken to in the last 3 years about it. Same consensus generally we’ll dip at first out the gate then find our feet and run. Most are more interested in the rapidly growing markets outside of the EU. I’m sorry though your folks on skype, the remain bias rags you browse online (who got the result then the immediate crash after wrong btw) and “cars of petrol” & “they believe in unicorns” man are a more solid foundation for opinion. For balance I’m met remain business owners who it negatively impacts because they buy in euros from the continent, they even acknowledge that it’s not fatal they will have to adapt but long term they’re optimistic if you want a more balanced view.

Lol pretty much the basis for all your arguments. I’m sorry I forgot your friend Balon terrific “people who believe in unicorns” is well thought out analysis of the typical Brexit voter.

No it’s fairly obvious he’s not the literal description of that entire definition. There used to be a thing called common sense when people deduced various things and didn’t take everything so seriously, now though with outrage culture we have this practice of latching onto small parts and taking it literally to justify outrage or nullify a or several points. What “with an IQ lower than 4 means” on this topic they’re being a bit stupid, it is after all urban dictionary it’s taking the piss. Also does the world rewards those “who plan for the worst”, did Jeff bezos wake up and think “i’ll consolidate today because shit might go south” on his way to richest guy on earth? Did Liverpool win the champions league because “at 3-0 down we should do damage limitation”? Brexiters know it’s a risk but we felt to persist was long term decline anyway so fuck it we’ll have a go. History is made by those that do that. We’ll be fine long term, we literally have a different ethos to the rest of Europe which gives us advantages.

You two are hilarious. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Remoaner&amp=true no 3 is pertinent especially Balon, utterly embarrassing. I’d liken it to an Arsenal fan wanting Spurs to win the league, such a level of irrational defeatism it’s almost like some sort of bizarre Stockholm syndrome.

Yep, I don’t want to pay £39 billion & I’m happy to be on WTO terms with the EU. The EU blinked the other day by agreeing a process for haulage, air travel, driving, residence rites etc all being agreed in the event of a no deal. The world will not end. I think you’ll see a 6-12 month small recession or slow down next year but I think that won’t be limited to the U.K. and a direct result of Brexit anyway. We would have probably caught some kind of initial financial cold purely because of uncertainty but I think Germany will be far more concerned at this point about a No deal than we are. The British press who’ve been largely bias towards remain have been absolutely disgraceful for 2.1/2 years now as have much of the establishment, it’s been the media equivalent of a toddler tantrum, and had probably resulted in far more division than was necessary. A further point on the yellow yests, or basically protesters in hi viz (because that’s what they do, look at pro eu demos) and the “telling Anna Soubry she’s a traitor” I thought fan fucking tastic, it couldn’t have happened to a more miserable anti democratic cunt. You only have to look at the way Kate Hoey has been treated by the Labour Party and pro remain lefty supporters for the last 2 years to think it’s about time someone told these screaming parliamentary remainers to fuck off. By and large leavers have been called everything under the sun and haven’t wavered so to watch someone give it back was satisfying. Also it’s fair to mention these blokes weren’t the brightest, but she’s still a cunt. She says she will resign if No deal, that’s music to the grass roots ears. Stupid women

Yeah we’re on our way back. Also brought the Gent & Croatian keeper Kalinic for £7m today apparently. Needed doing Nyland costs us a goal a game on average

Weird world welcome back. A second referendum would still deliver leave, although I suspect they would split the options to split the leave vote. A Sky News straw poll of a 1000 isn’t a national indicator, they’re heavily biased anyway. The national mood hasn’t changed, the whining about Brexit within the media sphere of the M25 is precisely that. You’re vastly overestimating the significance of the yellow vests in the U.K. There would be righteous anger however if it was overturned but it would be real middle England not Tommy Robinson. He’s a bit of a overestimated pantomime villain for the media to generate click bait. Most of his followers that actually put boots on the ground are ex football hooligans just desperate to belong to something. A generous estimate of his support would be at best 10-15k actually travelers, 2-3k locals turning out when he’s in the area and 1/2m sympathetic online. Hardly mainstream because those sympathetic are probably just pissed off about grooming or terrorism. I very much doubt he could win a seat in Parliament, Politically he’s probably about as important as lord bucket head

More like resigned in frustration because the position was effectively ceremonial. Brexit has been negotiatied by her gaggle of remain civil servants she surrounds herself with. They effectively manager her and by proxy the county & it’s brecit negotiations, contemptuous acts like deferring the vote etc, it’s all the crowd behind her. 117 is significant it’s worse than Major, she’s a lame duck, plus such is the anger at grassroots level that the death of “one nation” conservatives is assured now.

And Anna Soubry will lose her seat, she’s politically irrelevant and will only fade away. As will Tory support, grassroots Tory’s are Eurosceptics and massively at odds with the politicians. I can genuinely see the party splitting

It’s because despite all these remainers creaming over bs polls in which they’ve put a 3rd option to split the leave vote so remain looks popular again, the Tory’s know from their consistents that if May takes them & this deal to a general election they will be decimated. The fucking stubborn cunt won’t go though. At least she has a new answer to what’s the worst thing you’ve done “botched Brexit, decimating the Tory party and handing the keys to no 10 to an anti Semitic terrorist sympathising Marxist, who will then decimate the country” is better than running through a corn field.

I thought you were Spanish by birth and lived here a number of years, in which case I apologise it wasn’t meant as a “fuck off back home”, it was a challenge to your constant assertions we’re doomed. The question is pertinent though, you speak fluent Spanish, why if you’re so convinced we’re heading for oblivion in April aren’t you looking to move beforehand? I would be if I was in your shoes and I thought the UK was fucked. Also what “facts” there’s no facts, there’s projections but no facts because we’ve not left yet. What is the point of me arguing projections with you? It’s pretty much pointless arguing in this thread anyway. Most of the projections pre & post Brexit about the U.K. economy have been wrong, why should some spurious article that claims “we’re going to be fucked in 5 years” make any difference? I’m have confidence in Britain post Brexit, you think differently and we can only prosper by staying in. Time will prove either of us correct.

Why haven’t you moved back to Spain to stay in your beloved union then? Or better yet when are you moving after April? You’re not going anywhere, you’re just having a childish tantrum spraying piss all over this thread, It’s tiresome now your constant moaning. If you don’t like it why don’t you leave then? The sky isn’t going to cave in in April if we have a no deal, we’ll have some pain almost certainly but after that we could do very well. You’re just a doom merchant utterly unhinged from all the remainer propaganda you chew on.

Also worth pointing out that the tanks putting down riots in France have EU flags on them, the Lisbon treaty allows for other states to “lend support” to governments when required. In this case suppressing the populace unhappy at a bull shit law. Orwellian suppression of the people, smart stuff from the EU. Macron going will hopefully be a torpedo to the whole cunting mess

Narrative being spun here in which in the aftermath of it not going May’s way the media and establishment will double down on it being a “lurch to the right”. Bluntly people don’t have faith in the establishment or media anymore, on this they’re going with their gut feeling. I was talking to an old boy, voted leave an old engineer who felt we’d had a bad deal in general. Wanted a deal not no deal, thinks a no deal is bad. Has said the last 2 weeks acting and scaring stories has convinced him more than ever May’s deal is awful (which it is) and “yeah there maybe pain, but I’d take a no deal to be free of them now, I don’t like the way they do their business”. Heard similar complaints 2-3 times, my sister a die hard corbynista remainer said she doesn’t want a second ref, she’s rather leave now as she doesn’t like the way this has all been handled and is more concerned with the establishment trying to wriggle out of a democratic decision. The bias is there for all to see, it’s been project fear 2.0 for 2-3 weeks now and people can see through it, even those sympathetic to remain are starting to question the motives behind it and move away from it. Remain wont learn though they think you can bully the electorate into them subverting a democratic mandate, in fact it has the opposite effect. Check the polling. Looking forward to Mogg destroying some silly bitches tomorrow night. Fuck the EU

Funny how you point that out when criticising economic policy to balance books but have a blind spot when it comes to death caused by economic policies inspired by socialist governments. To quote Thomas Sowell “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it” And remember I acknowledge that UKIP and Farage did have an impact on the vote, but as I’ve said about a dozen times. It wasn’t the sole motivation for leavers, it’s lazy to just brand leavers as “EDL Tommy Robinson types” but alas you’re going to repeat this as much as your “car and petrol / fire” analogie you seem proud of. He played off the fact Turkey will eventually join the EU. Turkey is Muslim that’s where he got traction, especially with the freedom of movement conitations. Again though actually read my posts rather than trying to assign me into some sort of leave stereotype you’ve got in mind. I’ve never once really critiqued immigration during the EU debate, by and large I have no great issue with the influx of polish / Romania / Slovakian people. Cheap labour has suppressed wages however. Take a town called Redditch it’s the UK’s largest town it’s 15miles south of Birmingham and it’s metal bashing / old manufacturing. It’s heavily dependent upon migrant labour from Eastern Europe. Brexit means massive change because frankly they’re worried about staff post Brexit, they need to automate their process or pay more, British kids aren’t interested (and this includes 2/3rd generation migrants or “brown people” as Gonzo would call them) because they don’t want to work on a shop floor because they see it as beneath them or poorly paid. Managing Directors up until now haven’t moved with the times to automate or make efficiency improvements because and this is a genuine quote from one to me “why tie up my cash in significant cap ex when the polish labours cheap?” He appreciated that long term it was cheaper and more efficient to automate, but cash is king in business. In these instances Brexit is an opportunity because it’s forcing his hand to invest in his business to make it better rather than take advantage of cheap Labour. And they are taken advantage of, some of the jobs the polish are given when they get here are really shite. I’ve worked with loads of Poles, Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, Czech etc always been positive and some really clever people. I have a pole friend I helped get a good job because he wasn’t confident with his language but he’s the bollocks on tech systems, he’s earning north of 50k as a commissioning engineer for PLC Scada systems now, he was on minimum wage in a warehouse 3 years ago. It would be absolutely idiotic to want to remove someone from the U.K. with that sort of ability, likewise it’s idiotic to consign them to mind numbing labour tasks that are poorly paid. I’ve critiqued immigration and I’m a big critic of Islam & the wisdom of Islamic migration, but the two things aren’t related with regards to the EU, Turkey is a hypothetical which I’m against. And fake news works both ways, for example you’ve held Carney up today as some sort of authority on Brexit, a man stepping down within the first quarter post Brexit, who’s doom & gloom predictions pre Brexit vote showed him for twat he is. A man also sat in a board called the ECB which is responsible for the fiscal policy of EU states and for all intents & purposes conducts itself similarly to FIFA. It’s widely known that Italy’s next appointment will be the descided by France & Germany first before its put to the other states and a personnel trade off ensues. Can you not see the problem with that? Or is that sovereignty? You can nitpick the legality of each individual law all you like, the reality is when you have a block of 27 factions acting as one faction, the largest faction dominates the direction through various methods of brinkmanship. This is what has happened in the EU, it’s what will continue to happen and if you fall foul of it your fucked ala Greece. It works in all forms of life, factions in the Arsenal squad for example having to much power which can cause detrimental effects to others or the whole, during the Wenger years no doubt have happened, I could bore you with Villa examples. This is just a fact of life, leavers take the opinion that better to take matters into your own hands rather than be beholden to others and hope your position changes. Lol the irony of you saying British Racism is best left subtle then insinuating that Tory’s are racists they probably are in some quarters but so are you with that comment. the reason I mentioned your family is you’ve said to me previously that although you don’t live in the UK and haven’t been here for sometime you had family here that felt victimised or at least they felt there was much more anti Islam feeling post referendum. As I said above I think it’s got far more to do with social & terrorist issues, but you’ve got your finger on the pulse being 6-7 thousand miles away. Also as i’ve now said numerous times yes there’s no doubt Farage & UKIP picked up on immigration being a hot topic in the lead up to the referendum and he capitalised on it. He wasn’t the official campaign though. Can’t you lot accept that Brecit was a sum of things rather than one single thing? Lazy again I don’t know quite why there’s an insistence on this forum to lump me in with a Tommy Robinson, a man I’ve never really defended on here. Oh wait is it because I’m a vocal critic of Islam? That’s it, “he doesn’t think that Islam is a religion of peace so I bet he has Facebook states about St George’s day not being allowed to be celebrated, is a free Tommy campaigner and he tours the shit working class town of the North resplendent in stone island gear chanting ding dong the lights are flashing”. It’s just so lazy it really is. You’re right about politicians being thick and the whole system is the problem in reality, they go to school/ then uni / then politics and never develop and real life skills or principles. They often then just pursue power, I often think the thick of it although satire was pretty much bang on. Also im a big fan of Peter hitchins, I was a huge fan of his Brother RIP a man that like me would chew anybody’s arse out who defended Islam, they see the danger heading down the track with giving ground to it. If my posts don’t do justice to them, oh well I’m a cunt on a obscure football forum, tapping away a sentence at a time 5mins here & there while supervising toddlers and working two jobs and choosing to continually argue with the same 5-6 people who’ve already made their minds up about me and my opinions in a 5 on 1 topic. Frankly your lucky it’s coherent I’ve often forgotten what I’ve written in the paragraph before because it’s spread over several hours. I’ve been on this reply since 2pm

Yes, you are considering that after the referendum vote, UKIP who made the anti immigrant vote their core policy we’re wiped out in the general election and the two main parties that were leave and campaigned on economic policies hoovered up. The main stream remain party the Lib Dem’s were also wiped out. I get it your relatives feel a bit “threatened” and the guardian would have you believe anti Muslim sentiment was all stirred up by Brexit. The reality is that last year we had several attacks and children were slaughtered “in the Allah” piss be upon him. And we’ve got organised sexual exploitation on an industrial scale, you would get anti Muslim sentiment regardless of Brexit. Much the same as you got anti Irish sentiment with the IRA years ago, committing terrorist atrocities and rampant sexual assault has that effect on people. Well it is, “well run out of food” and “people will die” has desensitised the ears of the populace to it. The Bank of England have Said this but Carmel is a Remainer, King is pro Brexit and has dismissed it. The treasury fear a recession and most brits who’ve plumbed for leave expect some kind of dip, your getting all excited about it as if all of a sudden these people have more weight on the subject is funny, especially considering we’ve not suffered the effects of project fear 1.0 and our performed estimates in terms of growth since. At the end of the day you can bitch & whine all you like most people I know that voted leave did it because of sovereignty and a desire to forge our own trade partnerships post Brexit.

Nope Harv summed it up, you have an element of remainers who like to portray leave voters as “buffoons from Barnsley” as he called it. They tend to be what I described in the earlier post, both sides are guilty of pigeonholing the other. There’s some truth to it though, the “buffoon’s from Barnsley” we’re labour switched to UKIP handed Cameron a majority voted leave then returned to Labour and took Mays majority away. They’re generally thick fuckers that hate brown people read the sun and whine that st George’s day causes offence. And on the other side of the spectrum you have guardianista types who think they know it all in their hubris but actually in reality they know fuck all. I’ve acknowledged immigration was a factor, although have argued that it wasn’t solely that alone. You seem to think it was the only factor, and never really counter any other point, so I’ve stopped caring enough to dignify you all with a response unless I can be arsed tbh. This whole fucking thread has become an echo chamber as has much of this section of the forum really, the same 4-5 ppl agreeing with each other unilaterally on each topic. Disagree and you’ve crossed the line into “UKipper” “EDL” or “homophobe” territory, it’s become a corner of the Internet populated by some kind of bizarre virtue signalling circle jerk. At this point if you think the centralising of power for all 27 states is a “good thing” I’ve lost hope for you irrespective of any valid point you may have about economic volatility after the divorce (which I said I expected before the vote btw). The fact that those who extort the virtues of remain sit there doing so in a country that is made up of different states and is a historical example of why centralised power doesn’t work and the resultant struggles that ensue to resolve the issue once it becomes apparent that it’s not the best idea, makes it even more humorous. It was very much about sovereignty, if it’s not about sovereignty Balon then can you talk me through the finer points of Spain’s monetary policy that they set completely themselves and has absolutely nothing to do with the EU as a whole, that has produced such a sterling showing in the youth unemployment figures?

Nope she’s a dead duck for even trying to take this deal to the commons, the Tory’s have dropped massively in the polls because of her concessions. She was unelectable after losing her majority to a fucking Marxist, now she’s toxic. On Brexit, even Diane fucking Abbott gets it, it’s much more about Sovereignty than remainers believe. It may come as a surprise to those who live in metropolitan London bubble, where they only converse with the echo chamber that is their circle of guardian / independent type reading friends. They only encounter leave voters when they’re virtue signaling on various media platforms about how “all the leavers have been dupped, they’re just Farage loving racist who dislike brown people” and some rabid UKIP nut takes the bait. To the working class & blue collar Tory core of leavers this was very much about sovereignty. The people screaming No deal don’t give a fuck about immigration, they want to be outside of the EU, they anticipate some kind of initial pain but are optimistic that we can get past that and do well. Sadly the political establishment aren’t conviction politicians and are very much self serving pieces of shit, hence this utterly ludicrous deal she’s seaking. If Labour back her, they’ gone in their heartlands that voted Brexit

Think she’s doing irreparable damage to the Tory party now, I predict they will split. The remain crowd are more Lib Dem than Tory anyway.

the LBC caller who called her Neville Chamberlain.

I don’t know what’s funnier the fact the offices of Government now resemble the specials from “the thick of it” . Or Balon’s constant whining because he voted leave. It’s a full on breakdown we’re on for a here I reckon. “We were lied to” no one care outside of London we hate you all, we believe you’re mentally unhinged & we want to leave. This wont get through Parliament it’s completely toxic, we’re heading for No deal and a change of leadership Tory shortly after. I don’t think Corbyn will fight 2022, labour will knife him after we leave and probably put some utter bellend in and call it’s new new labour. Goes without saying really that the Tory’s have been so poor for some time now

Bellew deserves that for the grime intro, fucking grime ffs.

Ok so initially I acknowledged that there was a bit of “make Britain great again” element to the vote, so I’m not wholly disagreeing with you. However vote leave which was the official campaign for leaving had nothing to do with Farage. Farage got as much media attention as he did because his supporters lapped it up and those easily triggered by it spat there dummies and controversy sells, in a click bait world all those giving attention to it are responsible for its reach. The official campaign didn’t talk about Islamic immigration (officially as a policy, no doubt it they got asked) you might perceive it as such but it really didn’t. Leave.eu was a privately funded campaign that featured Farage and focussed on immigration, often both sides contradicted each other because vote leave (the official campaign) focused on economic arguments. And let’s not pretend there wasn’t / isn’t project fear by unofficial remain elements of the media / political class. More laughable than the millennium bug some of it. The EU are our biggest trade partners because they’ve set the parameters and they negotiate trade deals as a block for years. Freedom to chose our own path means we can negotiate our own trade deals that we believe are beneficial to us. Of course there’s no guarantee we’ll get it right all the time but at least then we only have ourselves to blame. Like it or not that’s Freedom. See above.