Fairy In Boots

Not exactly what I blamed remain mps for, I blamed them for weakening our bargaining power. You go into any negotiation in any walk of live with the other party knowing your hands are tied and you’re fucked you get a shitty deal. May and Hammond are remainers that went about it in a “oh we’ll have Brexit in name only type deal” it sunk her premiership. Nope I was talking to a guy today in crewe who voted leave, he summed up what I and most leavers I’ve spoken to over the last 3 years feel. He said “it was fairly self explanatory we vote leave we then inform we’re off then we negotiate and agree a deal, with any deal there’s a compromise and you move on after. But what’s happened appears to be either selfish mps putting their careers ahead of the country and effectively sabotaging negotiations by wearing our position or those negotiating are either incompetent or they’ve not really for Brexit so want to make it look like it’s impossible so we go cool on it” thats how I feel really, it’s a fucking trade block becoming a federation of states. I want out

I would have been open to a negotiation of a deal and a referendum on that deal. Politically this country has wasted 3 years, I blame that on remain MP’s who’ve never really had any intention of leaving and have weakened out negotiating position with every turn.

Three ERG will be a good barometer because they will spit the dummy of its mays deal minus the backstop

What a well reasoned argument that is. Fuck me this has got embarrassing just have a week off

Lol what has some cunt writing an inaccurate column got to do with Brexit? You get more and more rabid over this by the day

Delph out injured

Comedy gold this thread as always, I reckon Balon actually paints himself in a the EU flag and screeches at MP’s outside Westminster about being “intolerant” Completely obvious to the irony of such actions

Similar score, I liked it.

The highwaymen 7.5/10 It’s the Netflix film about the guys who hunted down Bonnie & Clyde, personally I enjoyed it and found it a damn good watch. On a par with lawless

I’m 3 episodes into Ozark I’m enjoying it

It must just be me but I don’t see why stockpiling Incase of distruption due to Brexit is used as a political stick to beat brexiteers with. It’s basically prudent, do you not think Spanish businesses that import from the U.K. have adjusted their supply chain to cope with potential disruption at the border? Tbh it’s not different from when the French have a strike like their probe to do so every so often and blockade the ports.

“BJ is a liar mate, a charlatan and a proven user of deception for his own personal goals.” you could swap out BJ with any politician the world over, this doesn’t mean your point is somehow credible. The backstop is insisted by the EU not the U.K when considering the NI/ Irish border, thegood Friday agreement calls for no hard border something that is threatened by no deal. The backstop is basically the EU saying if no hard border then you must still operate under our rules, therefore it’s a token Brexit in which we’re still under EU rule but have surrendered what say we had. Facts mate Also shock and horror is farcical it’s a trade union, we’re simply swapping one trade agreement for another. Admittedly like all change there’s a period of adjustment and the long term benefit is no guarantee. But shock and horror behave, that why I call you propaganda shite like that.

They’re won’t be resentment, the Army is the next stage in Franco-German imperialistic ambition. Slowly but surely it’s going to copy the USSR It’s an opinion presented as fact, you bellend. You post a continuous stream of rabid remainer tweets presented in a bias style and try to say your “just stating facts” your not your sharing opinions.

Pretty much sums up why Italy have lurched the way they have, Salvini is adored in the poorer south. He will be back and in charge. Lol ironic given your constant peddling of remain propaganda

Think that’s a bit Harsh on Murray injuries aside I think for an 18 month period he caught them up. Agree on Root though, personally think his captaincy has been poor and has distracted from his batting. Where do you go now though? They will give it Stokes and he’ll not do as well. Need a stable player in the Strauss/ Vaughan model who’s not the best but can let the best players play. Also well done to Australia although I feel England have helped them I think they’ve (Australia) been good not spectacular

See above, there was a documentary about my estate in the 90’s showed 8kids in a 3 bed house living in squalor with bunk beds made out of disgarded wood. It shocked the nation and they commission a poverty report and new labour upped benefits off the back of it. Those that got on in life never took the benefits and worked, the old working class is how I was brought up. A pride in earning your keep etc, we’re middle class now

Mate that’s bollocks I’m 34 I grew up on a council estate in a council house in Birmingham with a younger sister and a widowed mother who held a job down throughout the 90’s as a single parent to provide. I’m fully state education I’ve just been promoted at work over a lad that comes from a much more privileged background than me, has a full business degree etc. I’m driving a +30kcar, I own my own home and I’m well into the higher tax threshold. The system provides opportunities for those with the bollocks to take them, i graft, I care, I put the hours and effort in I reap the rewards. Everyone I see who whines about it is usually doing the minimum and expects the system to just help them. Going on from the point I made to Rando about social circles, mine has whittled down from 13-15 of us to about 6 all from the same background all doing well and it’s because we play ball, the others 6 sit back and wait for it to come to them. You’re in a system where it costs £15 to register a business and then you whinge about opportunity. I have my day job and I buy and sell online, I turn over 80k a year doing this 2-3 hours a night. I’ve used the proceeds to do up my house without nibbling at the equality, my mortgage will be done by the time I’m 42. I saved up doing shit jobs to get a deposit for a house, then I left a stable job to pursue a career. At present I provide for 1 adult and 2 kids (3rd due Jan btw) and we run 2 cars enjoy a holiday abroad each year and have a few k set aside to pay for higher education for my kids. I never had a named bit of gear till I was 14 years old, frequently got called tramp or stig etc etc I grew up in more poverty than what’s classed as poverty now and I’m 100% on this the biggest obstacles are those we put in front of ourselves.

I think the cultural revolution that happened off the back of this probably makes some of us nostalgic about it. The mines for example, would you really want to go down them? My granddad worked peterlea and would roll in his grave about me voting Tory but I wouldn’t want to go down the fucking put tbh. The things is with the capitalist system is that it’s a tough system so when you lose you lose big but it also you win you win big. Miners, industrialist etc lost heavily in the 80’s & 90’s but I think manufacturing has become so much more leaner and specialist now that it’s recovered. Successive governments should have managed this transition more smoothly. I see far more interesting jobs in engineering now although they’re significantly more cleaner. It takes a while but we’re making huge strides in life science, aerospace, automotive etc.

It’s not even selfish we’ll off types, look at what happens when you start deincintivising the system. It collapses and nobody wins. Socialism and it’s aim of social equality are frequently misunderstood what you need is equality of opportunity (somewhat afforded by a capitalist system) not equality of outcome. What commies, Marxists and the like don’t understand because mainly they’ve never had to do it themselves is that equality of outcome or as corbyn calls it “for the many not the few” stops progress. For example Liverpool, why should they get to keep all the champions league money? Bury and Bolton need it more it should have been divided up. Come to think of it you should have sold Sarah and Mané and replaced them with cheaper players and others in the league did the same so that the 92 all start to compete on a level playing field with the PL. After all “for the many not the few”. No doubt you find this ridiculous and it is, so why are you prepared to do it with everyone else? That’s down to your social circles, we all surround ourselves with likeminded folk as we seek commonality rather than seeking out conflict. Confirmation bias in the media we consume etc etc. My job is daily interaction across 1/3 of the country, leave areas are still leave, remain hotbeds are still remain. If anything I’d say demographics probably may effect it more in marginal cities however I think centre right leaning are doubling douwn now with leave. My mate said to me earlier “I voted leave, but I’ve just go so tired of being told I’m “far right” etc that tbh I’ve just stopped watching all the tv shows etc where they take the piss out of Brexit relentlessly. Thats why it’s fractured and there’s no civil discourse anymore. Here’s a great example we know the referendum would suggest I’m not the only leaver on this forum, but it’s become almost a Brexit lament thread where brexiteers fear to tread. No international trade is a complex thing, it encompasses various issues such as tariffs, agreements, supply and demand and ease of transaction, cost of transactions, transport, location. It’s utterly ridiculous of me to suggest that in the last 5 decades where our trade in import and exports has shifted more towards the continent rather than the rest of the world that a port city in the far side of the country facing away from this trade route may have suffered. Liverpool is more of a complex beast, I’d say that thatchers attitude of rip the plaster off now didn’t help many communities across the industrialised north and midlands but some didn’t help themselves. Liverpool had very aggressive trade unions and you see what she felt about those.

No I’d agree boycotts of certain papers have/had an effect. The perception has been that the Tories hate Liverpool since the 80’s under Thatcher. This has been played up by shitty Labour and liberal politicians ever since because it keeps the Tories down and affords them the monopoly of the local political scene. It’s that toxic for Tories now that the Echo which is a shit rag in its own rite attacked McVey in the recent leadership contest because they didn’t want Liverpool associated with Concervatives. The reality is she(thatcher) treated it as she did much of the other industrial areas of the country by letting what she perceived as declining industries die and Liverpudlians are more sensitive than most. No doubt plenty will fire back on this topic but can you really say she showed favouritism to Hull, Manchester, Sunderland over Liverpool? No they (scousers) just whinge more. And shifting to continental trade when you’re reliant as a city on your Atlantic facing port didn’t help either. Brexit might actually benefit increased trade from across the Atlantic, funny that they still vote remain.

Lol Similarly I can’t get my head around anybody who thinks Corbyn being anywhere near power will be a good thing. Absolutely disaster if he gets in. They sacrificed their careers by stiffling Johnson and the polls indicate that his support has grown from this. The middle ground has turned and are now backing Johnson. I base my assumptions on what I hear from the people I talk to and “I voted remain but I respect the result” are now “these remainers don’t realise we can’t negotiate a deal because we’ve handed leverage to the EU. We need an election and I’ll vote Boris to get a proper negotiation” They won’t be forgotten about, Labour are ducking an election because they know they’re fucked now. Nope they just swallowed lefty propaganda instead hence why they produce the likes of Dodger and people who think Corbyn would be a good idea. I know a bloke (in Liverpool) who’s got 3 houses that he rents out as his “pension plan” for his kids. His kids voted corbyn despite him telling them you’re future (these houses) would be under threat from a corbyn Government and the plan to give rental occupants the opportunity to buy houses at a knock down price. Such is the mental stupidity of the youth of that city. That’s changed now that’s 3 years out of date.

Mings a naturally left footed centre back I’m not surprised at I think people will have been pleasantly surprised by him so far this season.

Moved here as a young boy, brought up and developed in our system playing under English coaches in English conditions in an English system. Your top scorer both innings was South African.

Absolutely brilliant from Stokes, I was listening in the garden while painting fences and from 10 runs to win I was just listening and fist pumping every fucking run. Utterly brilliant individual effort. Surely it gives us a huge momentum swing but still decisions need making here regarding Root as captain and basic batting decisions