Manhattan terror Attack

[Honey Honey]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Bin Laden also had Final Fantasy 7 and Charlie Bit My Finger on his computer.

Typical Arsenal fan 

[Fairy In Boots]

On 01/11/2017 at 8:32 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

Having limitations free speech and having sharia law are totally different. Sharia law is using a religious text as the basis for all laws. The danger of allowing unfettered social media bullshit chatter is that our social media channels are used as a weapon against us and our society. Should we let pedophiles share child porn online? Or should we crack down on pedo forums and shut them down after arrests have been made?

We already have limits on free speech in the UK. You can already be imprisoned for hate speech. And there's no free speech on speech that incites violence. And let's be real - that is what ISIS propaganda is. It's hateful speech intended to incite acts of terror

That third paragraph is fucking outrageous. You don't see Sadiq Khan implementing the quoran as the official rule of law in London. "Not to dehumanise them, but they're basically insects" what the fuck.

And Afghanistan hasn't been subdued by Islam either. The Taliban taking control of Afghanistan was marked with horrific violence and instability. Neither of those characteristics. Afghanistan is a country who's history is marked with foreign occupation, in the last few centuries they've had about a quarter a century of being a stable and independent country. And it wasn't even that stable because that government was overthrown by a coup and shortly after the USSR went in. The ONLY thing that can be said to unify the people of Afghanistan is not religion - it's wanting to rid themselves of foreign occupiers.

I'd also take a look at what Afghanistan was like before the Russian invasion, and the US's subsequent funding of the Mujahedeen (which ultimately led to a Taliban controlled Afghanistan). Because in that period of relative stability for Afghanistan, it was pretty fucking moderate - much like pre-revolution Iran. But foreign meddling created a much shittier situation for the people of Afghanistan, the region, and ultimately the world once backwards theocratic scumbags took power.

I'm not scared of Christians, but I'm scared of the US evangelical right wing. I'm not scared of Muslims, but I'm scared of shitheads like ISIS and the sad wannabes who do this shit. Religion is cancer, but not all religious people are bad people who are dangerous to the world. And if you ask me, World War 3 has already started and it's not just these shithead terrorists we're fighting against. And cyberwarfare is a new element to warfare generally, and on the digital front I think the west is losing and sitting on it's hands doing nothing to protect itself.

For as long as countries refuse to protect themselves against weaponised propaganda and misinformation on social media, they will be victims to it. And that's us being the victims - it's us getting blown up or shot at concerts, getting run over when we're on the pavement, our soldiers will be sent to foreign countries to fight and die in the holy war they think their fairy tales have promised them... as we sit by idly and don't demand that social media companies or our governments do something. And when our enemies see how effective it is as a recruitment tool and a way to shape how groups of our populations think... why the fuck wouldn't they?

The thing that surprises me the most is the western homegrown terrorists, who've got parents that have fled war torn shitholes in hopes of a better life. It's not as though they're in the same boat as goat herders from Afghanistan who don't have any real formal education and you'd expect to be easily swayed by bullshit propaganda. But I guess it shows how easy it is to foster an "us v. them" mentality in minority groups, to foster extremism, and then let it grow. But you'd think they'd at least appreciate the stance of their parents, rather than return to situations that their families initially fled... or by trying to recreate those situations in the U.S. I'd have an easier time believing that an uneducated goat herder in some village in Afghanistan or Iraq would believe some stupid bullshit than some kid growing up the UK or US - and maybe they just use different propaganda based on the target (that would be the smart thing to do when weaponising propaganda).

Either way, I think that sitting on our hands and doing nothing in the face of our social media platforms being used against us is fucking retarded. I don't agree that limiting free speech necessarily creates a slippery slope to authoritarian rule, because we've already got some limitations on free speech that go almost hand in hand with what I'm demanding - preventing hate speech and inciting violence - and we're not in Sharia rule right now.

 

It must be the way I express myself but my meaning was what’s so different from state based authoritarianism & sharia? Both are heavily invasive forms of control to my mind. 

I don’t think you took the liking of the ideological spread of Islam to that of a swarming plague of locusts as was intended either. You’re too hung up on me saying that Muslims are insects which I’m not. 

The Westernised 2nd generation that weren’t brought up in Islamic countries have no yard stuck with which to measure quality of life or the freedom you’re afforded. Islam & sharia is sold to them in some sort of utopian way and because they’ve not lived in a repressive country they don’t know any better. 

A great example which I’ve used before and you will know well is Iranians, your folks will remember it before it embraced Islam and turned to shit and appreciate the the freedom the West affords hence you’re much more secular and western. 

If you have a situation where you’re Pakistani you live in an area that’s 95% Pakistani, you went to school that’s 95% pakistani, when you reach manhood you are entered into an arranged marriage that’s with a cousin who has been born & raised in Pakistan what are you going to get? Yep Pakistan and Pakistan’s cultural problems. The same goes for Somalia, Bangladesh, Eritrea etc.

 It’s beyond doubt that western intervention in the Middle East has exacerbated the problem but it was going to happen anyway just look at the islamification of Africa and the increasing push into South East Asia. And the sucicidal approach to immigration employed by the West has accelerated the process in the West. At some point a conflict will be inevitable whether that’s a cultural or military one is yet to be seen, I lose hope for cultural however because people are too hung up on demonising which is well intended lunacy considering what it’s allowing to sneak in the back door. 

 

Also so on a side note, stop fucking writing monster posts I don’t have the time to keep writing essays, you’re as bad as SirBalon. 

 

[Azeem]

4 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

1-If you have a situation where you’re Pakistani Check

2-you live in an area that’s 95% Pakistani Check

3-you went to school that’s 95% pakistani Check

when you reach manhood you are entered into an arranged marriage that’s with a cousin who has been born & raised in Pakistan

I do have a crush on of my cousins but she is a bit older then me 

4-what are you going to get?

Well i would like two girls and a boy atleast.

5-Yep Pakistan and Pakistan’s cultural problems.

Tell me about them !

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

I understand that my post was long, but this is a complicated situation and if I'm responding to sweeping generalisations that I know are inaccurate and are inaccurately portraying a complicated situation I'm going to have to try to correct it.

And like I've said Iran embraced Islam hundreds of years ago, not 1979 - but the religious right took advantage of widespread dissent with the Shah, his censorship, and his secret police. The Iranian revolution had lots of small groups working together. Ironically it ended up with less freedoms, more censorship, and a more brutal secret police. But I'm not convinced you need to experience Western culture first as a Muslim in order to properly assimilate to a new country.

And like I said before, these terrorists coming in here seem to be on the radar of the authorities - yet these attacks happen. So maybe we need our government to be more proactive and maybe we need assimilation programs for migrants more in line with what Norway does to new residents to help them adapt.

And I'm glad you clarified your insect comment. But you have to understand where I was coming from - that dehumanising of people and comparing them to pests is a tactic that was used by a particular group of nasty people who ended up committing genocide in the 40s. 

[Fairy In Boots]

On 06/11/2017 at 2:41 PM, Azeem98 said:

 

Apologies for the delay forgot to reply to this. Pakistan has a lot of problems, one of them which you mention you’re keen on & probably explains a lot of others is hereditary health issues causes by rampant inbreeding.

For example Pakistani children account for approximately 3.5% of the UK population but 30% of children with birth defects. In Pakistan you average 74 children with Birth Defects per 1000 you’re about 10th worst in the world. It’s socially acceptable to marry first cousins in Pakistan, it’s not in the rest of the world, we grew out of that disastrous habit years ago. In a world where we know so much about DNA it’s criminal, also as you mentioned your cousin, I’d urge you not to do some research it’s bad for your countries overall health. 

In terms of other problems, rampant corruption it’s cultural t it goes on wherever you’re expats congregate to. Violence towards women, low education, low skilled population, a brain drain, piss poor food sanitation, food shortages, poor health care, poor infrastructure & energy systems. But as if all this wasn’t bad enough and could be fixed with investment & education, you’re rampant tax avoiders. Again this is cultural you’re some of the worst offenders in the countries you emigrate to. 

On 06/11/2017 at 3:00 PM, Dr. Gonzo said:

I understand that my post was long, but this is a complicated situation and if I'm responding to sweeping generalisations that I know are inaccurate and are inaccurately portraying a complicated situation I'm going to have to try to correct it.

And like I've said Iran embraced Islam hundreds of years ago, not 1979 - but the religious right took advantage of widespread dissent with the Shah, his censorship, and his secret police. The Iranian revolution had lots of small groups working together. Ironically it ended up with less freedoms, more censorship, and a more brutal secret police. But I'm not convinced you need to experience Western culture first as a Muslim in order to properly assimilate to a new country.

And like I said before, these terrorists coming in here seem to be on the radar of the authorities - yet these attacks happen. So maybe we need our government to be more proactive and maybe we need assimilation programs for migrants more in line with what Norway does to new residents to help them adapt.

And I'm glad you clarified your insect comment. But you have to understand where I was coming from - that dehumanising of people and comparing them to pests is a tactic that was used by a particular group of nasty people who ended up committing genocide in the 40s. 

Rather than help them adapt, we need to not be letting them in in the first place. 

Iran didn’t embrace Islam, you mean Islam took over. It’s called the Islamic conquest of Persia, the entire world is poorer for it. 

I think that you do need to experience western culture beforehand to have an alternative point of view. The two best ways to improve yourself as a human being intellectually are reading & travel. 

Also I’m teasing about long posts, take as much as you need. I just won’t reply back quickly as I don’t have time to sit & type essays. 

 

[Azeem]

2 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Apologies for the delay forgot to reply to this. Pakistan has a lot of problems, one of them which you mention you’re keen on & probably explains a lot of others is hereditary health issues causes by rampant inbreeding.

For example Pakistani children account for approximately 3.5% of the UK population but 30% of children with birth defects. In Pakistan you average 74 children with Birth Defects per 1000 you’re about 10th worst in the world. It’s socially acceptable to marry first cousins in Pakistan, it’s not in the rest of the world, we grew out of that disastrous habit years ago. In a world where we know so much about DNA it’s criminal, also as you mentioned your cousin, I’d urge you not to do some research it’s bad for your countries overall health. 

Agree with all of this

In terms of other problems,

1-rampant corruption it’s cultural t it goes on wherever you’re expats congregate to.

Can't say its cultural. Lack of implementation of the law has always been an issue in Pakistan but you wouldn't find any of over top government personnel from the 50's to 80's involved in any tax invasion or corruption cases despite the political blunders they made.

2-Violence towards women

There are two sides of the coin regarding this situation and only one side is shown in the West.

3-low education

True but the other portion of the population is highly educated and we have had many notable people in the field of education.

Pakistanis rank 4th on global intelligence survey

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/04/01/pakistanis-rank-4th-on-global-intelligence-survey/

We were the first Asian country to become the member of CERN which i think is quite an achievement considering the heavy wieghts of the region likes China and India were also in the race

 

 4-low skilled population

Doesn't the doctors working in Ireland and many parts of the world and those labor who worked on the Burj Al-Khalifa on such heights were workers from every other Asian country refused to work  count as skill? 

5-a brain drain

Agree to it to an extent 

6-piss poor food sanitation,food shortages, poor health care, poor infrastructure & energy systems

You will find that in many parts of the Third world.

 

 7-But as if all this wasn’t bad enough and could be fixed with investment & education, you’re rampant tax avoiders. Again this is cultural you’re some of the worst offenders in the countries you emigrate to. 

That is problem that has become serious over the years. We could pay much of our national debt if they money that was laundered into countries like UAE,Suadi, Luxembourg,Switzerland and UK could be returned. But again you people also protect such culprits as evident from the fact that you are not giving us access to the tax avoided property of our disabled PM in UK so is Switzerland and Luxembourg.  

But overall we are a happy country compared to some well to do ones.

According to the World Happiness Report 2017, released on Monday, Pakistan, with a score of 5.269, is ranked at 80 out of the 155 countries included in the report. The 2016 report had ranked Pakistan at 92, with a score of 5.132.

Pakistan is now the happiest nation in South Asia, 32 positions ahead of India, and also doing better than all its immediate neighbors, except China. Pakistan also ranks ahead of several countries that are much more technologically advanced, including Greece and South Africa.

World Happiness Report

The World Happiness Report has been published annually since 2012 by the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network, and is prepared by leading professors and other authorities on the subject.

 

The idea of measuring how ‘happy’ the residents of a country are, was conceived in 2012 after the Prime Minister of Bhutan proposed a meeting of the UN General Assembly inviting member countries to ‘measure the happiness of their people and to use this to help guide their public policies.’

How Countries are Ranked

The rankings are created using the average of three years of surveys. Each country’s score is determined by the following six key variables that are deemed central to determining individuals’ happiness:

1. GDP per capita
2. Healthy years of life expectancy
3. Social support (as measured by having someone to count on in times of trouble)
4. Trust (as measured by a perceived absence of corruption in government and business)
5. Perceived freedom to make life decisions
6. Generosity (as measured by recent donations)

While these criteria for measuring happiness are not all-encompassing, they certainly signal a step away from nominal income figures alone that fail to take into account the huge disparity within countries.

 

[SirBalon]

I’ve seen those happiness charts before but we also have to measure national social expectancy levels which gives a clearer picture. 

[Azeem]

2 hours ago, SirBalon said:

I’ve seen those happiness charts before but we also have to measure national social expectancy levels which gives a clearer picture. 

Surveys like that are never accurate but we don't live that kind of life which you Westerns have an image in your mind.

You will hear a phrase 'Pakistan is a tiking bomb'  'it will collapse' quite often. Can you tell me a time when it wasn't?. There is a reason why Pakistan hasn't turned into Iraq,Libya or Syria despite every thing pointing to it. 

Give this a a read if you like. Its by a Brit Author.