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I hadn't heard that for this conflict but historically that figure would not be unusual. 16 % of WWII deaths are thought to be due to friendly fire and it has been said that 23% of the US deaths in Desert Storm were due to friendly fire. I have also heard that 1/3 of the Arab civilian deaths in wars against israel are traditional due to friendly fire by Hamas or Hezbollah and their allies.

I didn't even bother watching the game yesterday, and I can't remember when I missed a game for no reason. The club from the ownership to the stadium, the training facilities to the product on the field is substandard. It needs an investment of billions of £'s and a major clear out and I just can't see that happening. I really fear that I will never see United win the Premier or the Champions League in my lifetime again.

Trippier is having a bad patch right now. Might need a rest, but Newcastle are short at the back at this time. Everton last game and Spurs today seem to be targeting him is that new?

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I think his first year with United was his best. United had a good season in 2019-20 finishing third and Maquire played every single minute of every game that year. Club captain and he played well enough to make it look like £80m wasn't that much of an over payment. Then came the brawl in Greece with the cops and he hasn't been right since.. He has played better this season but he's 30 now and he's just too slow for the Premier now.

I don't mind them doing pre game or post game commentary, interviews or analysis, but I draw the line on play by play commentary. Its like nails on a chalk board, I find it irritating. I have to switch games or turn the sound off.

Saturday 9th December, 2023 Crystal Palace 0-2 Liverpool, 12.30 Brighton 2-0 Burnley Man Utd 2-0 Bournemouth Sheff Utd 1-2 Brentford Wolves 2-1 Nottm Forest Aston Villa 1-1 Arsenal, 17.30 Sunday 10th December, 2023 Everton 2-1 Chelsea, 14.00 Fulham 1-1 West Ham, 14.00 Luton 0-2 Man City, 14.00 Tottenham 1-1 Newcastle, 16.30

Have no way of knowing for sure?

I read that they were Hamas militants who surrendered on mass in Khan Younis

https://amp.dw.com/en/german-state-citizenship-applicants-must-support-israel/a-67651248 Surprised that is legal. So individual States issue citizenship in Germany?

That's probably the most attacking football United has played in some time, should have scored 5, but defensively still poor, could have given up 4.

Who are these players City has brought on Oscar Bobb?

Thought VAR was going to screw us again.

Of all the Chelsea chances that's the one they shouldn't have scored from. Terrible defending, the United defense just backed off Palmer.

How is this United/Chelsea game only 1-0, should be about 3-3.

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History shows Israel has offered peace time and time again, only for the Arabs to turn it down. Israel takes measures against the local Arab population, because they are always under threat of being killed by them.

Anything Israel has done is in self defense. There is a very simple truth here that you refuse to see. If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be peace, if Israel lays down its arms they will be killed. Since 1948 Israel has offered a two state solution many times, I admit that's probably no longer the case, but its always been the Arab world's refuse to accept a Jewish state that has kept the Arabs in the area without their own state.

Starting to hear more and more reports about how terrible Hamas has treated the hostages. . Doctors treating the hostages are saying they experienced severe psychological abuse at the hands of Hamas. "Those held captive were subject to starvation, to beating, to sexual abuse. They were being held in inhumane sanitary conditions. Extremely severe psychological abuse was inflicted on them, including separation from family members, separation of siblings, separation of children from their mothers. They were held in solitary confinement and spent long days in total darkness until they developed severe hallucinations," Eitan claimed. "Children were forced to watch brutal videos. They were under constant threats by weapons and threats to harm them even after they were released. They refer to the forced use of psychiatric drugs and other substances." One of the reasons the pause talks ended was because Israel claim Hamas are still holding 18 female captives taking from the music festival. Hamas refuse to acknowledge they still have them and Israeli believe that is because they have been sexual abused and Hamas don't want their voices heard.

Latest studies show that 77% of Gaza support Hamas and the destruction if Israel.

Tuesday Wolves 2-1 Burnley Luton 0-2 Arsenal Wednesday Brighton 2-1 Brentford Crystal Palace 1-1 Bournemouth Fulham 2-1 Nottm Forest Sheff Utd 1-2 Liverpool Aston Villa 1-3 Man City Man Utd 1-1 Chelsea Thursday Everton 0-2 Newcastle Tottenham 2-0 West Ham

Terrible week, or a terrible Sunday. I seem to do all right on Saturday's games but am off most Sundays.

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Missed this but wouldn't have come close given when the goals where scored.

Arsenal 2-0 Wolves Brentford 2-1 Luton Burnley 1-1 Sheff Utd Nottm Forest 1-2 Everton, Newcastle 1-1 Man Utd, Bournemouth 1-2 Aston Villa, Chelsea 1-1 Brighton, Liverpool 3-0 Fulham, West Ham 2-1 Crystal Palace, Man City 3-1 Tottenham,