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Yeah Governmens don't always tell the truth and the photos of the weapons of mass destruction is a perfect example. But you have to go with the percentages and the history, Hamas has no history of telling the truth, Israel does. Nobody is saying the israeli Government always tells the truth, they will tell lies as well, but I trust their record of telling the truth more than I do Hamas

Because they normal provide footage,, pictures, video and taped conversations that back up what they say.

Yes I am. DWB has long been accused of having an anti Israeli bias. They consistently abuse their status as a humanitarian organization to launch venomous anti-Israel political campaigns.

No independent verification of this claim. No reports from any western media. Remarkable similar to a claim 6 years ago about an Israeli sniper shooting a double amputee vaiving a Palastinian flag, a claim that has never been proven. You can't believe anything Hamas says and the continued posting of Hamas propaganda on this forum is disgusting.

Israel has offered to evacute all the patients in the hospital, Hamas has refused to allow it. The reason there is no oxygen or electricity in the hospital is because Hamas have stolen all the fuel needed to run the generators. IDF arranged with senior officials at the hospital to deliver 300 litres of fuel to a collection point near the hospital, which the Israelis delivered. Hamas refused to allow hospital staff to pick it up. If these 39 babies die, and I understand 2 or 3 already have, their deaths are on Hamas 's heads, not Israel 's.

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Tell that to the people protesting in the streets, they don't make a distinction between the state of Israel and Jewish people world wide. They are chanting death to the Jews and gas the Jews as well as falsely accusing Israel of genocide and being an Apartheid state. In Canada we have had Jewish restaurants vandalized, houses own by Jews shot at and moltov cocktails thrown at two synagogues. Plus Jewush students on university campuses are staying in their dorms because they have been harrased on campus.

Kind of ironic when you consider the help that progressive and Liberal Jews gave to the groups now calling them Nazis during their attempt obtain civil rights for themselves. One has to wonder how successful the American Civil Rights movement would have been without help from American Jews. I guess they have never heard of Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Nor do they remember Hajj Amin al-Husseini a true Nazi and a friend of Hitler's. He abused his position as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to foment riots against Jews, most notoriously in the Hebron massacre of 1929. The British tried to keep the Arabs onside in the Second World War by banning Jewish immigration, but al-Husseini sided with Hitler and the Nazis anyway. The Arab leadership collaborated with Hitler and made sure, through pressure on the British, that Jews of Europe had nowhere to escape.

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Netanyahu said months. I suspect they wil clear out North Gaza completely. Then they may even have that pause. They they will move into South Gaza and go tunnel to tunnel til Hamas is eradicated.

Have the IDF casualties been high? I have heard 30 dead and 260 wounded. I don't think the IDF is struggling to meet their objectives. They have cut Gaza in half and have it fully encircled. Hamas can't escape, they are trying to hide their wounded soldiers in civilian ambulances, they now they have to surrender or die. The reason it may seem slow going because Hamas is hiding underground. It takes time to clean out these tunnels, they are long, they snake back and forth and they are full of booby traps. No amount of modern equipment really helps here, it's just dangerous close encounter fighting. The Israelis have even sent attack dogs down the tunnels to root Hamas out. The IDF is methodological destroying these tunnels one by one, it's getting done, but it takes time.

I haven't seen any of the Western media pick this up yet, it seems to be all coming from the Arab World

It's not the free Palastine that is the problem, it's adding from the " river to the sea" that implies to many the destruction of Israel, because that is presicly where Israel is located. It's the history of the chant that's the problem , its was first used in the early 60's to mean the creation of a Palastinian state in the League of Nations Palastine Manadate and the removing of the Jewish population in that area. While some people say they have a different meaning, you can't ignore where the orginal phrase came from.

Happy for Diaz, but where did they get 11 minutes from? ( didn't have time to watch. )

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I would say more calls go against United than go in United's favour.

The defender is impeding with Maguire, actually gives him a shove. It's not a clear and obvious mistake, should never have over turned the on field decision.

That's a terrible call, players on side but Maguire impeding with the defender, looked like the defender impeded with Maquire. Still getting screwed for the non Wolves goal in the first game of the season.

The problem is that every time Israel has paused their attacks, the other side uses it to re group and comes back stronger. They cant give Hamas time to catch their breath. Every time they allow or provide humanitarian aid to Gaza (and they do provide humanitarian aid out of their own pocket ) it is stolen by Hamas. Hamas is sitting on tons of food, fuel and building supplies that they use for military purposes, while people go hungry, hospitals can't fuel their generators and the infrastructure does not get built or repaired. Israel has said they have encircled Gaza City, but how clear of Hamas is the land south towards the Egyptian border? Perhaps if or when that area is cleared of Hanas and the fighting has stopped, Israel will or could allow humanitarian aid in. But they won't or shouldn't do it as long as Hamas has a presence there,

The Biden administration is down playing what he said, that they aren't using the above definition. A pause to them it seems is not considered a ceasefire, but something lesser. It may only be semantics, but they are adamant it isn't a ceasefire he is calling for.

Biden did not call for a ceasefire, he called for a pause, whatever that is. A couple hour window to get aid in? The People who pull Biden's strings and really run the White House have been adamant that Biden is not calling for a ceasefire. This notice of a pause which nobody has said what it is, is just a cynical attempt to keep Arabs and Muslims in Michigan in particular voting Democrat in 2024. If the Democrats lose Michigan in 2024 they probably lose the White House. Israel's bombing is anything but indescriminate, It's actually quite precise. The problem as you point out is that Hamas are using civilian infrastructure and the citizens of Gaza to shield their military operations. Israel can't send their ground forces in until the aerial bombardment softens up the Hamas military positions, to do so would result in too many Israeli deaths. Israel also warns the civilians in Gaza when and where they are bombing. They have dropped millions of leaflets, sent text messages and made phone calls. They also follow a policy of roof-knocking, the practice of dropping a nonexplosive or low-yield device on a target around 10 to 15 minutes before a bombing in order to caution any civilians present to flee, so as to minimize civilian casualties.

I will repeat what I said earlier. In Israel, Arabs, who make up over 20% of Israeli citizens sit on the Supreme Court, serve in the Knesset, go abroad as ambassadors. The chairman of Israel’s largest bank, Bank Leumi, is an Arab. Jews and Arabs work in the same factories and offices, play on the same sports teams and in the same orchestras, act in the same films, are treated in the same hospitals by both Jewish and Arab medical personnel, attend the same classes in the same universities. Jews and Arabs own restaurants and start high-tech businesses together. The only difference in their treatment is that Jews must, while Arabs may, serve in the military. Doesn't sound like they are ethnically cleansing anybody within the state of Israel. Arabs in Gaza are being killed because Hamas is using them as human shields.

Let's examine the term Palastinian , where and how it was used in history. It's as fake a marketing term as you will ever hear. The Romans 400 years before the birth of Christ used it to describe a Roman province, it was an administrative term , not a nationality of the people who lived there. The League of Nations in 1922 gave Great Britain control of the area which they called the Palastine Mandate. The British were mandated to create a Jewish homeland, but they created Trans Jordan instead. Shouldn't that be the Palastinian state the Arabs pine for? After the Second World War the UN proposed a two state solution, Israel and Palastine for the Arabs who lived there, who were predominantly Jordanians with a minority of Egyptians . The Arabs rejected the idea of a Jewish homeland and attacked Isarel , they were defeated and lost the opportunity to create a Palastinian State. There has never in history been a Palastinian state, hence no such thing as a Palastinian. Now this is really where the marketing really kicks in. In the early 1960s, the Arabs were not only getting their ass kicked every time they attacked Israel, but were considered bullies of Israel in worldwide media. So they hired the public relations firm of Dudley-Anderson-Yutzy in New York to change their image in the world. George Anderson told them they needed a “victim,” a group that would be perceived as smaller and even more abused than the Israelis, and the Palestinian cause was born. At Anderson’s advice, the Palestinian Liberation Organization was established on May 28, 1964. This is the start date of the “Palestinian cause”: How are Israel are the good guys in this you ask. Isarel is the only country in the region that is an ally of the West and is a democracy. Isarel is the only country in the region that treats women with dignity and treats minorities as equals. In Israel, Arabs, who make up over 20% of Israeli citizens sit on the Supreme Court, serve in the Knesset, go abroad as ambassadors. The chairman of Israel’s largest bank, Bank Leumi, is an Arab. Jews and Arabs work in the same factories and offices, play on the same sports teams and in the same orchestras, act in the same films, are treated in the same hospitals by both Jewish and Arab medical personnel, attend the same classes in the same universities. Jews and Arabs own restaurants and start high-tech businesses together. The only difference in their treatment is that Jews must, while Arabs may, serve in the military.” very strange for a country that many claim is quilty of apartied.

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