American Politics Discussion

[Spike]

27 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Yes according to your subjective biases and stereotypes

It’s observational, plain as day. Libertarians is an ideology that nonces use to justify raping children. That’s your cohort, that’s your flavour.

[Rucksackfranzose]

35 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Yes according to your subjective biases and stereotypes

Do you really think it's your job to question other people's statements, Mr "The UK and the Nertherlands aren't kingdoms"?

[OrangeKhrush]

The issue is not free market but the monopoly big corporates have created with the seal clapping approval of the government that is supposed to regulate it.  This is not a capitalism issue it is corruption which sadly for you is far worse in a socialist economy where the state and the protected class own everything.

the solution is to reduced government while breaking the corporate lobby.  That will require governments to do what they are supposed to do and regulate fair and ethical market practices.

Excessive registration fees and the approval of the corporate lobbyists decide just who can operate a business.

I will agree with Gonzo that America has a very dated labour standard, compared to South Africa and Australia it's shocking, that doesn't mean capitalism is the issue, that is a government failure to regulate labour properly, but enabling the conditions for government to be in the pocket of corporate lobbyists elites isn't going to change anything for you.  voting Biden will net the same result anything that matters will be ignored but you will get pandering and maybe a bunch of low paily jobs will open up.   That being said, low pay jobs are common worldwide and you can't expect employer's to make losses paying replaceable level jobs more than their productivity, it's cold hard truth, you can hire less and pay more leading to more unemployment or you can employee more but pay people within the production outcomes.  Do any of you think on all the evidence of socialism actually believe you will be better off? That somehow you won't be selling your liberty to give the state enough power they don't have to even pretend to give a shit about you anymore, the establishment absolutely loves this, they watch you want to destroy your way to prosperity giving them absolute power and thinking a reward for your fielty is free stuff.  If you are oissed off with the world now I can't wait to see you when you just give it all away.

Anyways I'm cool, you should get what you want no sweat.  I am getting a 5k bump in my salary for 5 years, a bonus in February and another increase in June because capitalism sucks.  Using IMF conversions I'm north of 120k US annual.   anyways fuck the system 

[Spike]

‘I want to reduce the state’s authority, to empower my own authority, so I can exert that authority onto other individuals free from reproach from an intervening party’.

That’s libertarian thought, and that’s how they justify noncery at gun point. It’s one of the stupidest and evil ideologies that has mainstream appeal. It’s no wonder it attracts the people it does.

[OrangeKhrush]

11 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Do you really think it's your job to question other people's statements, Mr "The UK and the Nertherlands aren't kingdoms"?

No, maybe I should just sit back and watch people give the people that don't give a fuck more power by pandering to that dreamscape

[Rucksackfranzose]

1 minute ago, OrangeKhrush said:

No, maybe I should just sit back and watch people give the people that don't give a fuck more power by pandering to that dreamscape

No, you should sit, shut up and learn, when people knowing what there talking about, like eg @Spike explain the ideology you claim to be your's to you, like the person knowing nothing you are.

[OrangeKhrush]

2 minutes ago, Spike said:

‘I want to reduce the state’s authority, to empower my own authority, so I can exert that authority onto other individuals free from reproach from an intervening party’.

That’s libertarian thought, and that’s how they justify noncery at gun point. It’s one of the stupidest and evil ideologies that has mainstream appeal. It’s no wonder it attracts the people it does.

So hating people for making more of their lives through output to comfort your own inadequacy is what you want?  Who exactly is selfish here.

I empathise with you, 5 years ago I was you, pissed of with the world, now I eat out every night, have a retirement annuity, a expensive medical aid, paid a 2 year old car off, save 5k in investment savings monthly and pay 1k a month to PAWS charity, while being nothing more than a entry level employee with specific qualifications.

The problem isn't the system it's you

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

So hating people for making more of their lives through output to comfort your own inadequacy is what you want?  Who exactly is selfish here.

I empathise with you, 5 years ago I was you, pissed of with the world, now I eat out every night, have a retirement annuity, a expensive medical aid, paid a 2 year old car off, save 5k in investment savings monthly and pay 1k a month to PAWS charity, while being nothing more than a entry level employee with specific qualifications.

The problem isn't the system it's you

No actually. But you said the system is a problem and needs to be changed two posts earlier. 

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

No, you should sit, shut up and learn, when people knowing what there talking about, like eg @Spike explain the ideology you claim to be your's to you, like the person knowing nothing you are.

He only gives a subjective view obsured by perceived bias because he fucking hates people that succeed.   It's tragic.

If you lot love socialism so much you can all go to Russia or similar where the government and the protected class are filthy rich and everyone else lives in communes with ablution block toilets and showers outside.   Everyone is poor it's utopia

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

No actually. But you said the system is a problem and needs to be changed two posts earlier. 

Regulation of the free market yes, to stop corporate monopoly and encourage market competition.  make it possible for small and medium business to thrive will uplift everyone.  

Voting for a dipshit who profits of nepotism, corruption and technocracy isn't going to help you bud,  they absolutely love socialists because they are easy to smoke and mirror, then pull the rug once you give them absolute power.

Rule 1 if someone offers free shit, thats a red alert that there is bait.

[Rucksackfranzose]

3 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

He only gives a subjective view obsured by perceived bias because he fucking hates people that succeed.   It's tragic.

If you lot love socialism so much you can all go to Russia or similar where the government and the protected class are filthy rich and everyone else lives in communes with ablution block toilets and showers outside.   Everyone is poor it's utopia

You clearly don't know, what libertarianism entails, although you claim to be libertarian,. It entails the demand to lower and/or do away with age of consent. That's no bias but simple reality. You don't have to believe us, just go on any libertarian site and ask them. There's a difference between subjective opinions and brutal facts. Like it or not.

[Spike]

1 minute ago, OrangeKhrush said:

He only gives a subjective view obsured by perceived bias because he fucking hates people that succeed.   It's tragic.

If you lot love socialism so much you can all go to Russia or similar where the government and the protected class are filthy rich and everyone else lives in communes with ablution block toilets and showers outside.   Everyone is poor it's utopia

I don’t, just you, not because you lie about being successful but because you’re a thick cunt that spreads ideas he doesn’t understand.

Russia hasn’t been socialist since the early 90s and had nearly a free market in the 90s propped up by Clinton and Yeltsin, which led to the oligarchy. Russia’s standard of living has dropped since capitalism was introduced. The market economy caused near 1000% inflation.

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/1999/06/kaser.htm#:~:text=They could not have anticipated,and 4%2C735 percent in Ukraine.

[Rucksackfranzose]

9 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Regulation of the free market yes, to stop corporate monopoly and encourage market competition.  make it possible for small and medium business to thrive will uplift everyone.  

Voting for a dipshit who profits of nepotism, corruption and technocracy isn't going to help you bud,  they absolutely love socialists because they are easy to smoke and mirror, then pull the rug once you give them absolute power.

Rule 1 if someone offers free shit, thats a red alert that there is bait.

Says somebody, proclaiming Trump would act in the best interest of America's workers. Just have a look for Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner during Trump's presidency at the web. Everyone has a very selective reality reception biased by their own convictions. Doesn't prevent people from doing their own research, which is only really helpful if you use media you not usually consume, because they share your opinions, though. 

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I don’t, just you, not because you lie about being successful but because you’re a thick cunt that spreads ideas he doesn’t understand.

Russia hasn’t been socialist since the early 90s and had nearly a free market in the 90s propped up by Clinton and Yeltsin, which led to the oligarchy. Russia’s standard of living has dropped since capitalism was introduced. The market economy caused near 1000% inflation.

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/1999/06/kaser.htm#:~:text=They could not have anticipated,and 4%2C735 percent in Ukraine.

Sowhy aren't you running off to Russia or supporting Putins desire to revive the Soviet Union?

The Russians became poor when they gave up the only thing that was valuable, the union they fractured into break away states while Russia remains spare with dated infrastructure, no port and a economy predicated industry.   Russia is far from capitalist, the power of influence revolves around Putin and the establishment, the further from Moscow and St Petersburg you go the poorer people get by the kilometer.   Russian content creators give up their profit to the state many needing to resort to exploitation platforms like only fans to survive

So Russians were fucking poor socialists now they are fucking socialist lites makes socialism the way to go.

Russia, Venezuela, China take your pick buddy

[Spike]

7 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Sowhy aren't you running off to Russia or supporting Putins desire to revive the Soviet Union?

The Russians became poor when they gave up the only thing that was valuable, the union they fractured into break away states while Russia remains spare with dated infrastructure, no port and a economy predicated industry.   Russia is far from capitalist, the power of influence revolves around Putin and the establishment, the further from Moscow and St Petersburg you go the poorer people get by the kilometer.   Russian content creators give up their profit to the state many needing to resort to exploitation platforms like only fans to survive

So Russians were fucking poor socialists now they are fucking socialist lites makes socialism the way to go.

Russia, Venezuela, China take your pick buddy

Because that isn’t happening in Russia you clown. None of that is happening in the slightest, Russia has a market economy, fact. Russia isn’t moving to socialism; fact. China is the second richest country in the world; fact, libertarians are nonces; fact. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

27 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Voting for a dipshit who profits of nepotism

Lol he said this while advocating after advocating for Trump. Does he know how Trump got his money? 

Corruption? I'm sure he's thinking some Hunter Biden shit, but what on earth was forcing the Secret Service to stay at Trump hotels and resorts if anything but corruption? If diplomats were encouraged to stay at the Trump hotel in DC - is that not corruption?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Also:

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Says somebody, proclaiming Trump would act in the best interest of America's workers. Just have a look for Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner during Trump's presidency at the web. Everyone has a very selective reality reception biased by their own convictions. Doesn't prevent people from doing their own research, which is only really helpful if you use media you not usually consume, because they share your opinions, though. 

Lowered tax on small and medium business, removed district limits to allow people to go to schools with higher education standards before Joe just reversed that, making America self sustaining rather than running off and begging Muhammed Bin Salman and Xi for hand outs, no wars aimed at benefitting the establishment ergo why they hate him.  

Sure he is a dick but sometimes dicks are needed to fuck the pussy's and assholes as the analogy went.   It isn't like the quality of life is exactly screaming life altering.  Trump performed at the same rate as Obama and Clinton, the talks of authoritarian is just blue gaslighting, no Democrat or journalist was victim of deep state policing, no bogus prosecutions with evidence refused at trial, no trumped up charges based on unarmed people supposedly overthrowing the most powerful nation on the planet blah blah fish paste.

[Spike]

Who pays for the roads!?

[Rucksackfranzose]

6 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Lowered tax on small and medium business, removed district limits to allow people to go to schools with higher education standards before Joe just reversed that, making America self sustaining rather than running off and begging Muhammed Bin Salman and Xi for hand outs, no wars aimed at benefitting the establishment ergo why they hate him.  

Sure he is a dick but sometimes dicks are needed to fuck the pussy's and assholes as the analogy went.   It isn't like the quality of life is exactly screaming life altering.  Trump performed at the same rate as Obama and Clinton, the talks of authoritarian is just blue gaslighting, no Democrat or journalist was victim of deep state policing, no bogus prosecutions with evidence refused at trial, no trumped up charges based on unarmed people supposedly overthrowing the most powerful nation on the planet blah blah fish paste.

You're not denying nepotism favoring his daughter and her husband, though. Although this was my criticism, quoting me without replying to my point. What's the point in doing so, other than to spread propaganda? Genuine question.

Edited January 25 by Rucksackfranzose

[OrangeKhrush]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Also:

The general basis is a minority that gmhas feelings rather than looking at the reasons why that group is failing.  You then have to look at why people from said group succeed while others fail to go even deeper into the problem and the end result is governments failing in their mandates not capitalism.

So the solution is to take from the majority to create artificial equity?  Or reverse democracy?

People get paid their value of their worth, a chartered accounted who may be a CEO or CfO will get paid well because the success or failure rests on his or her decisions, while the front line staff offers very little income.  the solution is skills upliftment or self employment which is rigged to fail anyway we are down to square one and your solution is punish others because of the lesser group

[OrangeKhrush]

6 minutes ago, Spike said:

Who pays for the roads!?

Taxes,the civic duty of citizens, the higher portion of which comes from the higher earners

[Spike]

Just now, OrangeKhrush said:

Taxes,the civic duty of citizens, the higher portion of which comes from the higher earners

That’s socialism bro

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The general basis is a minority that gmhas feelings rather than looking at the reasons why that group is failing.  You then have to look at why people from said group succeed while others fail to go even deeper into the problem and the end result is governments failing in their mandates not capitalism.

So the solution is to take from the majority to create artificial equity?  Or reverse democracy?

People get paid their value of their worth, a chartered accounted who may be a CEO or CfO will get paid well because the success or failure rests on his or her decisions, while the front line staff offers very little income.  the solution is skills upliftment or self employment which is rigged to fail anyway we are down to square one and your solution is punish others because of the lesser group

The alternative to libertarianism is not limited to solely socialistic dystopia like Venezuela.

[Rucksackfranzose]

7 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Taxes,the civic duty of citizens, the higher portion of which comes from the higher earners

And your calling that correct? Surprised, because the free market version would be an enterprise supplies it and makes profit  from the toll they get from the road's users. Like so many advocats of free market you have much less concerns with socialising costs than profits, apparently.

Edited January 25 by Rucksackfranzose