Tony Blair Next Premier League Chairman?

[SirBalon]

54 minutes ago, Danny said:

Fashionable to overstate? You will say anything to reduce the suffering of those in the Middle East just so you can have a PM you can actually look up to. He was no different to Bush.

Mate, every Prime Minister and President has been meddling in other countries for decades (this without going into your first statement on colonisation)... How about our current government selling arms to Suadi Arabia so they can kill innocent people in Yemen?  That and probably dozens of other things we're even directly involved in but doesn't get the mega scope of a full out announced war.

I'm not reducing anything Danny mate... I hated that just as much as the next person and I wanted him out.  But I do refuse to join in this fashionable labelling of him like he's Hitler.  The Middle East is destabilised because that's what the West wanted and the designer wasn't Tony Blair.  There were various Prime Ministers and Presidents of European countries that went full in and don't get all this with having said the same lies. 

What about the tens of thousands Kurds that were murdered at the hands of Sadam Hussein or even now by Turkey and their dictator Erdogan?  Do you know why the UK aren't being so quick to jump down Erdogan's throat?  Because we're leaving Europe and we need to make money... Seeing as the only thing we manufacture these days are weapons, then it wouldn't surprise us all to know that one of our next customers happens to be them.

There are many ways to skin a cat. 

[Danny]

51 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Mate, every Prime Minister and President has been meddling in other countries for decades (this without going into your first statement on colonisation)... How about our current government selling arms to Suadi Arabia so they can kill innocent people in Yemen?  That and probably dozens of other things we're even directly involved in but doesn't get the mega scope of a full out announced war.

I'm not reducing anything Danny mate... I hated that just as much as the next person and I wanted him out.  But I do refuse to join in this fashionable labelling of him like he's Hitler.  The Middle East is destabilised because that's what the West wanted and the designer wasn't Tony Blair.  There were various Prime Ministers and Presidents of European countries that went full in and don't get all this with having said the same lies. 

What about the tens of thousands Kurds that were murdered at the hands of Sadam Hussein or even now by Turkey and their dictator Erdogan?  Do you know why the UK aren't being so quick to jump down Erdogan's throat?  Because we're leaving Europe and we need to make money... Seeing as the only thing we manufacture these days are weapons, then it wouldn't surprise us all to know that one of our next customers happens to be them.

There are many ways to skin a cat. 

Again Balon, other people being cunts does not gloss over the fact that Blair was a massive cunt. But funnily enough Cameron, May, Erdogan etc are not trying to run the Premier League, hence why they're not brought up in this topic.

[SirBalon]

2 hours ago, Danny said:

Again Balon, other people being cunts does not gloss over the fact that Blair was a massive cunt. But funnily enough Cameron, May, Erdogan etc are not trying to run the Premier League, hence why they're not brought up in this topic.

You're right and we've gone well off topic, mostly my fault to be fair.  We have a difference of opinion to put it mildly on this one and a I know I am in a big minority mate.

[Inverted]

15 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Corbyn’s Labour is an ancient outdated style of socialism that doesn’t worl and would ruin the country more than it is already. That type of socialism is designed to opose and not govern. That’s the best tool to keep a proper government in check. 

The only outdated thing is the same-old, little-by-little politics of the centre, which has left us in a position of diplomatic, economic, and social decay. The financial crisis and then Brexit were not random natural disasters which came out of nowhere and ruined everything - they were the sudden and dramatic expressions of problems which lie unaddressed and merely get smoothed-over in times of relative success such as Blair and Cameron's time.

[SirBalon]

3 hours ago, Inverted said:

The only outdated thing is the same-old, little-by-little politics of the centre, which has left us in a position of diplomatic, economic, and social decay. The financial crisis and then Brexit were not random natural disasters which came out of nowhere and ruined everything - they were the sudden and dramatic expressions of problems which lie unaddressed and merely get smoothed-over in times of relative success such as Blair and Cameron's time.

I don't deny nor anyone would do so that so many things have been left unaddressed by relative governments over the decades... The roots of the decay started during Thatcherism with the blanket selling of national services and the loss of respect of the working classes where they were given the avenue to better themselves... That dismissal of the underlying issues rooted in this society were left to fester and to cut a long story short, it accentuated itself slowly till what we have today.  Every government of every ideological side of the spectrum is to blame on this from central governance to local council bloodsucking which encompasses both Tory and Labour as well as those silent ones in the middle.

[The Artful Dodger]

Making out that he's being compared to Hitler so you can go 'oh you do overestimate how bad he is' is not an argument.

[Honey Honey]

Blair swooped in with an enormous vote. Within 4 years the electorate collapsed, including his vote by 20% (this is before Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11) and by his last election in 2005 his total vote was down 30%. The crash didn't happen for another 3 years after! To put that into further perspective, over the same time length and number of elections Margaret Thatcher starting from a similar vote size went on to actually increase her vote! Whilst David Cameron got more votes in 2010 than Blair did in 2005.

The objective evidence that Blair was the best doesn't seem strong at all. Maybe he was subjectively the best for those individuals with whom he fits their cultural type of leader and principles.

On paper it looks more as if his leadership was complacent and tone deaf due to the way boundaries are drawn and fptp delivered.

[Inverted]

2 hours ago, Harvsky said:

Blair swooped in with an enormous vote. Within 4 years the electorate collapsed, including his vote by 20% (this is before Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11) and by his last election in 2005 his total vote was down 30%. The crash didn't happen for another 3 years after! To put that into further perspective, over the same time length and number of elections Margaret Thatcher starting from a similar vote size went on to actually increase her vote! Whilst David Cameron got more votes in 2010 than Blair did in 2005.

The objective evidence that Blair was the best doesn't seem strong at all. Maybe he was subjectively the best for those individuals with whom he fits their cultural type of leader and principles.

On paper it looks more as if his leadership was complacent and tone deaf due to the way boundaries are drawn and fptp delivered.

I also think that for a lot of people, the Blair days aren't really a vivid lived experience, and their memories of politics are only very clearly crystallised from Brown onwards. And that obviously can tend to make the early days of New Labour seem utterly utopian compared to what came after.