MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Anybody know much about cameras? Always used my phone but am looking to purchase a camera, for my holiday in April. Other family members will use it when required, looking around £250, but want a small one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 So you're looking for a compact camera, not a DSLR, I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Pyfish+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 Like Nudge says, it depends if you're looking for just a digital camera or a DSLR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Digital it is, I'm not some expert so basic will do, one that fits well in pockets. Will look gay putting it around my neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 That segment's dead, guv. With the triple and quad cameras on phones these days, the digital cam's dead. A huawei would take as good photos as a point and Shoot cam would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 It really depends on what phone he's got and what is he going to use the camera for. If his phone is modern and on higher-end then yes, a point-and-shoot in his budget range won't be superior to the phone camera in any way except optical zoom and would be pretty much a waste of money. If he's got an older or cheaper phone then it's not necessarily true as even low-end point-and-shoots still have a much larger sensor and wider apertures so the image quality would be better, especially in low light conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Got a Samsung S9, if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, MUFC said: Got a Samsung S9, if that helps. I'd just stick with it then; a 250 quid point-and-shoot camera won't be an improvement on that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Ok cheers guys, I thought a camera would be more advanced lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, nudge said: It really depends on what phone he's got and what is he going to use the camera for. If his phone is modern and on higher-end then yes, a point-and-shoot in his budget range won't be superior to the phone camera in any way except optical zoom and would be pretty much a waste of money. If he's got an older or cheaper phone then it's not necessarily true as even low-end point-and-shoots still have a much larger sensor and wider apertures so the image quality would be better, especially in low light conditions. The point being that innovation is Poind and shoot has stopped, with the latest being mirrorless cameras, which are point and shoot with interchangable lenses, which, I reckon, the OP is keen to avoid. There are a bunch of very high zoom cameras that are available, like the SX70HS, but they are required to be around your neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, AMG said: The point being that innovation is Poind and shoot has stopped, with the latest being mirrorless cameras, which are point and shoot with interchangable lenses, which, I reckon, the OP is keen to avoid. There are a bunch of very high zoom cameras that are available, like the SX70HS, but they are required to be around your neck. High-end compact cameras like Sony’s RX100 production line is still way superior to phone cameras though, but then so is the price and I don't know why someone would even buy it for just a casual shot here and there. I'm not into point and shoot or power zoom cameras anyway; I like to have a high degree of control and only DSLR can give you that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, nudge said: High-end compact cameras like Sony’s RX100 production line is still way superior to phone cameras though, but then so is the price and I don't know why someone would even buy it for just a casual shot here and there. I'm not into point and shoot or power zoom cameras anyway; I like to have a high degree of control and only DSLR can give you that... I have, at multiple times, almost pulled out my card to get one, but always, there is this little thing in the back of my mind about the practicality that holds me back. And, ofcourse not living a life not happening as yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, AMG said: I have, at multiple times, almost pulled out my card to get one, but always, there is this little thing in the back of my mind about the practicality that holds me back. And, ofcourse not living a life not happening as yours. I started shooting film with analog SLRs almost 20 years ago and only fully switched to digital ones a few years back haha...Almost always buy used too. I'd rather get a cheaper/older model camera body and invest more into quality lenses as that makes the most difference anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 Like the rest said, an S9 is going to be more than plenty for a trip with shots under lots of lighting conditions and the on-board firmware/software will take care of so much for you that a P&S won't. Having said that, however, I saw someone take pics with a P&S last May and they were just stunning, wish I had asked what P&S it was because they looked really nice. I've been eyeing an X100 as my next camera just have to take a trip somewhere to buy it as its unnecessarily expensive here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Mel81x said: Like the rest said, an S9 is going to be more than plenty for a trip with shots under lots of lighting conditions and the on-board firmware/software will take care of so much for you that a P&S won't. Having said that, however, I saw someone take pics with a P&S last May and they were just stunning, wish I had asked what P&S it was because they looked really nice. I've been eyeing an X100 as my next camera just have to take a trip somewhere to buy it as its unnecessarily expensive here. What's a P and S? If the pictures will mostly be taken at night. Would a camera be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, MUFC said: What's a P and S? If the pictures will mostly be taken at night. Would a camera be better? P&S = Point and Shoot Even if you're taking pics at night your camera phone can actually brighten the environment up and is probably far easier to use than an actual budget camera. If you want clear night pictures that's a whole other realm of photography, particularly lenses, that isn't in the portable range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Cheers for the responses, my thinking that cameras are superior isn't true lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MUFC said: Cheers for the responses, my thinking that cameras are superior isn't true lol. They are. Just not the ones you're looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Sorry to sound like a nagging female, if I wanted a smaller size camera which is superior to my mobiles camera. What's the cheapest I'm looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 24, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2019 You could probably get the oldest model in the Sony RX100 series (from 2012) for about 350 quid. Newer models obviously cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 https://www.creativebloq.com/features/the-best-point-and-shoot-camera https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/best-point-and-shoot-cameras Just do a shortlist from these, and we'll take it from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Looking at this, the specs shit on my S9 camera. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras-and-camcorders/digital-cameras/compact-and-bridge-cameras/canon-powershot-sx730-hs-superzoom-compact-camera-black-10163043-pdt.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 19 hours ago, MUFC said: Digital it is, I'm not some expert so basic will do, one that fits well in pockets. Will look gay putting it around my neck. 7 hours ago, MUFC said: Looking at this, the specs shit on my S9 camera. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras-and-camcorders/digital-cameras/compact-and-bridge-cameras/canon-powershot-sx730-hs-superzoom-compact-camera-black-10163043-pdt.html Ah! So now you are suddenly okay with looking gay. Interesting............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted January 25, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 hours ago, MUFC said: Looking at this, the specs shit on my S9 camera. https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras-and-camcorders/digital-cameras/compact-and-bridge-cameras/canon-powershot-sx730-hs-superzoom-compact-camera-black-10163043-pdt.html It really doesn't. I suppose you're looking at megapixel count which you really shouldn't as it's not all that important here. The most important spec to consider is sensor size, and that Canon Powershot SX730 HS one you linked to has a tiny 1/2.3" one which doesn't differ from a modern smartphone (including your S9 which has a sensor of 1/2.5") much. Moreover, the Canon has a slow lens on both ends with maximum apertures of f/3.3 on wide and f/6.9 on tele (in comparison S9 has variable f/1.5 and F2.4 aperture modes) - those numbers probably don't tell you much but basically the higher the f-number, the slower the lens; meaning that the amount of light that travels through the lens while the shutter is open is lower and it will struggle in low light conditions. Your S9 will be vastly superior to it when it comes to taking low-light images. Now the only actual advantage the Canon camera has is its zoom range. However, given the small sensor, slow lens and low light sensitivity it will only do well at bright daylight and even then I expect it would disappoint at the near maximum end of zoom. Not sure how much of it will you need anyway if you're planning to use it on your trips where wide angle lens is a priority. Of course it's up to you; if you want a camera then by all means go for it. Just don't expect the image quality to be superior as it's very unlikely that any point and shoot camera with 1/2.3 inch sensor will outperform your smartphone camera. If you want significantly better quality look for one with at least 1 inch sensor and aperture range that's not higher than f/2.8-4.5 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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