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Anybody know much about cameras? Always used my phone but am looking to purchase a camera, for my holiday in April. Other family members will use it when required, looking around £250, but want a small one.

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So you're looking for a compact camera, not a DSLR, I take it?

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Like Nudge says, it depends if you're looking for just a digital camera or a DSLR.

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Digital it is, I'm not some expert so basic will do, one that fits well in pockets. Will look gay putting it around my neck.

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That segment's dead, guv.

With the triple and quad cameras on phones these days, the digital cam's dead.

 

A huawei would take as good photos as a point and Shoot cam would.

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It really depends on what phone he's got and what is he going to use the camera for. If his phone is modern and on higher-end then yes, a point-and-shoot in his budget range won't be superior to the phone camera in any way except optical zoom and would be pretty much a waste of money. If he's got an older or cheaper phone then it's not necessarily true as even low-end point-and-shoots still have a much larger sensor and wider apertures so the image quality would be better, especially in low light conditions. 

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Got  a Samsung S9, if that helps.

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4 minutes ago, MUFC said:

Got  a Samsung S9, if that helps.

I'd just stick with it then; a 250 quid point-and-shoot camera won't be an improvement on that...

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Ok cheers guys, I thought a camera would be more advanced lol.

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7 minutes ago, nudge said:

It really depends on what phone he's got and what is he going to use the camera for. If his phone is modern and on higher-end then yes, a point-and-shoot in his budget range won't be superior to the phone camera in any way except optical zoom and would be pretty much a waste of money. If he's got an older or cheaper phone then it's not necessarily true as even low-end point-and-shoots still have a much larger sensor and wider apertures so the image quality would be better, especially in low light conditions. 

 

The point being that innovation is Poind and shoot has stopped, with the latest being mirrorless cameras, which are point and shoot with interchangable lenses, which, I reckon, the OP is keen to avoid.

There are a bunch of very high zoom cameras that are available, like the SX70HS, but they are required to be around your neck.

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2 minutes ago, AMG said:

 

The point being that innovation is Poind and shoot has stopped, with the latest being mirrorless cameras, which are point and shoot with interchangable lenses, which, I reckon, the OP is keen to avoid.

There are a bunch of very high zoom cameras that are available, like the SX70HS, but they are required to be around your neck.

High-end compact cameras like Sony’s RX100 production line is still way superior to phone cameras though, but then so is the price and I don't know why someone would even buy it for just a casual shot here and there. I'm not into point and shoot or power zoom cameras anyway; I like to have a high degree of control and only DSLR can give you that...

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Just now, nudge said:

High-end compact cameras like Sony’s RX100 production line is still way superior to phone cameras though, but then so is the price and I don't know why someone would even buy it for just a casual shot here and there. I'm not into point and shoot or power zoom cameras anyway; I like to have a high degree of control and only DSLR can give you that...

 

I have, at multiple times, almost pulled out my card to get one, but always, there is this little thing in the back of my mind about the practicality that holds me back.

 

And, ofcourse not living a life not happening as yours.:57_cry:

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2 minutes ago, AMG said:

 

I have, at multiple times, almost pulled out my card to get one, but always, there is this little thing in the back of my mind about the practicality that holds me back.

 

And, ofcourse not living a life not happening as yours.:57_cry:

I started shooting film with analog SLRs almost 20 years ago and only fully switched to digital ones a few years back haha...Almost always buy used too. I'd rather get a cheaper/older model camera body and invest more into quality lenses as that makes the most difference anyway...

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Like the rest said, an S9 is going to be more than plenty for a trip with shots under lots of lighting conditions and the on-board firmware/software will take care of so much for you that a P&S won't. Having said that, however, I saw someone take pics with a P&S last May and they were just stunning, wish I had asked what P&S it was because they looked really nice. I've been eyeing an X100 as my next camera just have to take a trip somewhere to buy it as its unnecessarily expensive here.

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1 hour ago, Mel81x said:

Like the rest said, an S9 is going to be more than plenty for a trip with shots under lots of lighting conditions and the on-board firmware/software will take care of so much for you that a P&S won't. Having said that, however, I saw someone take pics with a P&S last May and they were just stunning, wish I had asked what P&S it was because they looked really nice. I've been eyeing an X100 as my next camera just have to take a trip somewhere to buy it as its unnecessarily expensive here.

What's a P and S? If the pictures will mostly be taken at night. Would a camera be better?

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25 minutes ago, MUFC said:

What's a P and S? If the pictures will mostly be taken at night. Would a camera be better?

P&S = Point and Shoot

Even if you're taking pics at night your camera phone can actually brighten the environment up and is probably far easier to use than an actual budget camera. If you want clear night pictures that's a whole other realm of photography, particularly lenses, that isn't in the portable range.

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Cheers for the responses, my thinking that cameras are superior isn't true lol.

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1 minute ago, MUFC said:

Cheers for the responses, my thinking that cameras are superior isn't true lol.

They are. Just not the ones you're looking at.

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Sorry to sound like a nagging female, if I wanted a smaller size camera which is superior to my mobiles camera. What's the cheapest I'm looking at?

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You could probably get the oldest model in the Sony RX100 series (from 2012) for about 350 quid. Newer models obviously cost more.

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19 hours ago, MUFC said:

Digital it is, I'm not some expert so basic will do, one that fits well in pockets. Will look gay putting it around my neck.

 

7 hours ago, MUFC said:

 

 

Ah!

So now you are suddenly okay with looking gay.

Interesting.............

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What do you mean?

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12 hours ago, MUFC said:

It really doesn't. I suppose you're looking at megapixel count which you really shouldn't as it's not all that important here. The most important spec to consider is sensor size, and that Canon Powershot SX730 HS one you linked to has a tiny 1/2.3" one which doesn't differ from a modern smartphone (including your S9 which has a sensor of 1/2.5") much. Moreover, the Canon has a slow lens on both ends with maximum apertures of f/3.3 on wide and f/6.9 on tele (in comparison S9 has variable f/1.5 and F2.4 aperture modes) - those numbers probably don't tell you much but basically the higher the f-number, the slower the lens; meaning that the amount of light that travels through the lens while the shutter is open is lower and it will struggle in low light conditions. Your S9 will be vastly superior to it when it comes to taking low-light images. Now the only actual advantage the Canon camera has is its zoom range. However, given the small sensor, slow lens and low light sensitivity it will only do well at bright daylight and even then I expect it would disappoint at the near maximum end of zoom. Not sure how much of it will you need anyway if you're planning to use it on your trips where wide angle lens is a priority.

Of course it's up to you; if you want a camera then by all means go for it. Just don't expect the image quality to be superior as it's very unlikely that any point and shoot camera with 1/2.3 inch sensor will outperform your smartphone camera. If you want significantly better quality look for one with at least 1 inch sensor and aperture range that's not higher than f/2.8-4.5 or so.

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13 hours ago, MUFC said:

 

5 hours ago, AMG said:

 

 

 

Ah!

So now you are suddenly okay with looking gay.

Interesting.............

 

5 hours ago, MUFC said:

What do you mean?

 

Apologies.

I got confused with SX70 HS. (the names are way too similar sounding, anyway) https://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/powershot-sx70-hs/

 

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41 minutes ago, nudge said:

It really doesn't. I suppose you're looking at megapixel count which you really shouldn't as it's not all that important here. The most important spec to consider is sensor size, and that Canon Powershot SX730 HS one you linked to has a tiny 1/2.3" one which doesn't differ from a modern smartphone (including your S9 which has a sensor of 1/2.5") much. Moreover, the Canon has a slow lens on both ends with maximum apertures of f/3.3 on wide and f/6.9 on tele (in comparison S9 has variable f/1.5 and F2.4 aperture modes) - those numbers probably don't tell you much but basically the higher the f-number, the slower the lens; meaning that the amount of light that travels through the lens while the shutter is open is lower and it will struggle in low light conditions. Your S9 will be vastly superior to it when it comes to taking low-light images. Now the only actual advantage the Canon camera has is its zoom range. However, given the small sensor, slow lens and low light sensitivity it will only do well at bright daylight and even then I expect it would disappoint at the near maximum end of zoom. Not sure how much of it will you need anyway if you're planning to use it on your trips where wide angle lens is a priority.

Of course it's up to you; if you want a camera then by all means go for it. Just don't expect the image quality to be superior as it's very unlikely that any point and shoot camera with 1/2.3 inch sensor will outperform your smartphone camera. If you want significantly better quality look for one with at least 1 inch sensor and aperture range that's not higher than f/2.8-4.5 or so.

Your depth of knowledge on cameras is amazing I have to say.. 

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43 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

Your depth of knowledge on cameras is amazing I have to say.. 

Thanks... it really is just the very basics of photography though; back then then there was no digital photography it was essential to know the basic concepts of aperture/shutter speed/ISO and how a camera works in general. You only had a roll of film with limited amount of frames and no instant results so you had to wait for the right moment, use it wisely, and know what you're doing before you pressed the shutter release... That's one of the reasons why I will always prefer film over digital (despite the many advantages of the latter) as it forces you to slow down, think and understand exposure in order to take better photos and improve your skill instead of taking a gazillion of shots and then choosing the best one and using some software to make it even better... 

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9 minutes ago, nudge said:

Thanks... it really is just the very basics of photography though; back then then there was no digital photography it was essential to know the basic concepts of aperture/shutter speed/ISO and how a camera works in general. You only had a roll of film with limited amount of frames and no instant results so you had to wait for the right moment, use it wisely, and know what you're doing before you pressed the shutter release... That's one of the reasons why I will always prefer film over digital (despite the many advantages of the latter) as it forces you to think and understand exposure in order to take better photos and improve your skill instead of taking a gazillion of shots and then choosing the best one and using some software to make it even better... 

My youngest daughter has just recently got a camera, I don't know what it is I will try and find out next time she is home.. she was taking pictures with it over christmas but have not seen any of them yet so don't know what the quality is like, I have a tendency to just use my phone camera as I am not into it in a serious way and they seem to come out quite clear, ( I took all the pictures of the garden project with it ) although recently they seem to have been a little less quality then I thought they used to be.. could just be me though, maybe it's my eyes that are losing focus.. xD

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3 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

My youngest daughter has just recently got a camera, I don't know what it is I will try and find out next time she is home.. she was taking pictures with it over christmas but have not seen any of them yet so don't know what the quality is like, I have a tendency to just use my phone camera as I am not into it in a serious way and they seem to come out quite clear, ( I took all the pictures of the garden project with it ) although recently they seem to have been a little less quality then I thought they used to be.. could just be me though, maybe it's my eyes that are losing focus.. xD

Oh for sure, phone cameras are perfect for most people on the planet who take pics casually; digital photography is great in that sense as it made taking photos cheap, easy, convenient and very accessible. There's no need to know all the technical details and principles behind it (unless you're like me and like taking things apart to know how stuff works xD) in that case. I was talking about those new amateur/hobbyist photographers who are really missing out if they fail to learn the basics of what they are doing and just spend money on increasingly expensive gear thinking that it alone will make the difference while they still shoot in auto mode because they can't be bothered to learn how it all works...

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