The Big Middle Eastern Thread

[6666]

Not sure why we went in depth with Michael Rapaport but I didn't even say he was far right. To clarify, I was saying that people on the far right are proudly supportive of the IDF's actions. And then there's Michael Rapaport who's lost his mind. Apologies to all the Rapaport fans for the confusion.

[Dr. Gonzo]

NYT saying it wasn’t a missile that killed Haniyeh and in fact a bomb that was planted in that guest house months ago.

Which is a bit sad because that means Israel probably can’t just blast Khamenei from miles away.

Back to the drawing board on hoping for a better future I guess.

[OrangeKhrush]

Conflicting media out, most claim an airstrike, others claim a explosive device planted months ago with remote detonation.

I'm calling bullshit on both.

1) the damage to the guest house was to minimal to be any type of airstrike.  The damage was local to exclusively the room haniyeh was in, the rest of the building was untouched which points to an explosive device.

2) a planted bomb months ago is bullshit, are they going to tell me that a guest house used by iran for all their high valued dignitaries is not scanned regularly?  If not then they are really stupid.

I am not ruling out a planned attack maybe assisted by Mossad but carried out by Iranian resistance.

[6666]

IDF terrorists doing what they do and targeting schools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x88jpw05lo

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16 minutes ago, 6666 said:

IDF terrorists doing what they do and targeting schools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x88jpw05lo

Don't be too surprised.

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[6666]

It's pretty insane how they're defending and proudly applauding the IDF scum for raping prisoners. The fact they're holding prisoners unjustly in horrible conditions is bad enough. Torturing and raping them while still playing victim is a much deeper level of evil but that is very Israel.

[6666]

Nazi Israel doing more Nazi Israel stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8erk37yn2no

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On 09/08/2024 at 23:22, 6666 said:

It's pretty insane how they're defending and proudly applauding the IDF scum for raping prisoners. The fact they're holding prisoners unjustly in horrible conditions is bad enough. Torturing and raping them while still playing victim is a much deeper level of evil but that is very Israel.

Been stories for years now that the IDF have been r***ing young boys in jails for years now.

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[6666]

More insane murderous shit from Israel. This time from the scumbag Israeli settlers in the West Bank who have been terrorising Palestinians there forever and saw a green light to take it further since the IDF started their genocide campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c623zkwd04qo

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[6666]

Netanyahu is fucking Musk in the ass so the prince of apartheid now tries to silence vocal critics of Nazi Israel.

Yet to see a single Israel supporter that I didn't already think was a cunt.

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[OrangeKhrush]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/data-shows-post-oct-7-emigration-surge-from-israel-which-has-since-stabilized/

 

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The figures showed a huge spike in emigration during October 2023, the month when Palestinian terrorists invaded southern Israel, killing some 1,200 people and taking 251 hostages, starting the ongoing war.

About 12,300 Israelis left the country that month and had not returned as of June 2024. This compared to only 3,200 who left permanently the year before— a 285 percent increase.

The outflow slowed in the following months, with about 30,000 Israelis leaving the country permanently between November 2023 and March 2024, representing a 14% decrease from the same period the previous year.

On the other hand, data showed that 21% fewer Israelis returned from abroad, with about 8,900 moving back to Israel between October 2023 and March 2024, compared to about 11,200 the previous year.

I'm not to sure where the 2m came from but you can expect such from agenda driven questionable sources.   The northern region near the purple zone has been evacuated which left around 400 000 displaced with many of those people temporarily moving south or abroad,  but the amount of gas lighting is insane.   Some of the video's here are just fun to watch.   DDN is one of the most unhinged channels around. 

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Hezbollah tried some shit and paid a hefty price,  substantial loss of military equipment and the #2 guy thanos snapped out of existence.    It was so bad the IAF had over 100 aircraft operating with impunity over southern Lebanon. 

[6666]

On 26/08/2024 at 15:04, OrangeKhrush said:

Hezbollah tried some shit and paid a hefty price,  substantial loss of military equipment and the #2 guy thanos snapped out of existence.    It was so bad the IAF had over 100 aircraft operating with impunity over southern Lebanon. 

So Nazi Israel continuing to do Nazi Israel stuff and not really aiming for anything...? Calling it "pre-emptive strikes" is hilarious. Still going with this idea that Israel aren't violent psychos? Cute.

[OrangeKhrush]

20 hours ago, 6666 said:

So Nazi Israel continuing to do Nazi Israel stuff and not really aiming for anything...? Calling it "pre-emptive strikes" is hilarious. Still going with this idea that Israel aren't violent psychos? Cute.

Throwing the Nazi bombs around doesn't really help you make any point other than you don't have any.   

To date Hezbollah have launched around 18000 rockets at Israel 90% are directed at civilian centres,  if responding is considered psycho then America, Britain and the Soviets were psycho's for resisting the Nazi and Imperial Japanese acts of aggression and since that was perfectly fine then psycho's is just fine.   

What is psycho is pretending that they are the "good guys" when their entire ideology is premised on the idea that Allah says "go forth and kill everyone that doesn't want to subjugated",  that is psychotic. 

Edited August 28 by OrangeKhrush

[OrangeKhrush]

On 20/08/2024 at 22:55, MUFC said:

 

Fun fact,  he deactivated his account to get the bed wetters to cry about Elon Musk again and just proved how dangerous social media can be when a worthless comedian that got absolutely destroyed by Konstantin Kisen who exposed what he really is,  this was one episode after they did the same to Finkelstink.   

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Hezbollah operates the Russian S400 in sufficient numbers to have asked the question why it was ineffective and the answer is very simple,  F35 Lightning II. 

It uses the AN/APG 81 Actively electronically scanned array (AESA) radar that can passively scan up to 250 targets in under 10 seconds allow the synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) to draw a battlefield schematic,  for targeting solutions,  only America and Israel use this technology. 

 

In terms of battlefield control the F35 can track and jam searching radar,  while emitting a radar signature that other radar disregards.    

A flight of 4 F35's can track and jam all Surface to Air threats,  send a firing solution to the rest of the flight that will include F16 Sufa's and F15 Ram's that take out all the S400's and hit Hezbollah's missile launchers and stockpiles.   The information is shared to the others and they can then process firing solutions for all their ordinance,  bomb, return, rearm and unleash hell. 

[6666]

3 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Throwing the Nazi bombs around doesn't really help you make any point other than you don't have any.   

To date Hezbollah have launched around 18000 rockets at Israel 90% are directed at civilian centres,  if responding is considered psycho then America, Britain and the Soviets were psycho's for resisting the Nazi and Imperial Japanese acts of aggression and since that was perfectly fine then psycho's is just fine.   

What is psycho is pretending that they are the "good guys" when their entire ideology is premised on the idea that Allah says "go forth and kill everyone that doesn't want to subjugated",  that is psychotic. 

The reality of course is that the only people that are acting as if they should have free reign to torture, rape, and murder anyone that's not like them is Israel. A country actually celebrating genocide and rape. Rapists and murderers being treated like heroes. Publicly mocking thousands of innocent people dying.

Israel is a failed experiment. There is zero justifiable excuse to support what Israel has done since its inception. And comparing them to Nazi Germany is completely fair. Only difference is Israelis brag more about getting away with extreme war crimes. Your own attitude towards Israel "attacking with immunity" was one of arrogance towards Israel's mass killing of innocent people. That's psychotic.

Edited August 28 by 6666

[6666]

The scumbag settlers in the West Bank have been using Israel's genocide as an excuse to attack Palestinians in the area and take over their homes. The IDF terrorists have obviously decided to help out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ny546m7go

The Palestinians must've done something terrible like defend themselves against the attackers.

The amount that Zionists think they should be able to get away with without any pushback is truly mind boggling. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

 What is psycho is pretending that they are the "good guys" when their entire ideology is premised on the idea that Allah says "go forth and kill everyone that doesn't want to subjugated",  that is psychotic. 

I think it's psycho to pretend either side in this are "the good guys" - it's a bunch of horrific people with a load of innocent people put in harms way because they're horrific.

5 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Hezbollah operates the Russian S400 in sufficient numbers

I don't think this is true, by the way. They'd have to get it from Iran and Iran only got it in 2022 - it's probably the best air defense system Iran has, so they'll be needing that to protect from invasion (even though their air defenses are terrible). Hezbollah's got some of Iran's more sophisticated offensive weaponry in their rockets, which is Iran's real strong point in terms of their military industry complex, but I imagine their air defenses would mostly be very out of date shit. Hezbollah is armed to the teeth by Iran for offensive capabilities, because that is Iran's main way of deterring outright war with Israel - keeping the threat of a serious offensive force on Israel's border - but defensively in terms of modern military capability... they're very vulnerable.

1 hour ago, 6666 said:

The scumbag settlers in the West Bank have been using Israel's genocide as an excuse to attack Palestinians in the area and take over their homes. The IDF terrorists have obviously decided to help out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2ny546m7go

The Palestinians must've done something terrible like defend themselves against the attackers.

The amount that Zionists think they should be able to get away with without any pushback is truly mind boggling. 

I don't know how anybody can defend Israeli settlers actions in the West Bank and the Israeli government deserves so much condemnation for their support in these illegal settlements that do nothing for making Israel any safer (if anything, it increases hostility towards Israelis)... it is just stealing land from Palestinians in violation of international law in the name of Judaism.

5 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

if responding is considered psycho then America, Britain and the Soviets were psycho's for resisting the Nazi and Imperial Japanese acts of aggression and since that was perfectly fine then psycho's is just fine.   

This analogy falls flat on it's face though when you remember this conflict didn't start last year. In 1948, Palestinians were violently ethnically cleansed and forcibly removed from land they had called home for centuries. World powers either knew and supported this or sat by and did nothing - despite what recent history in Europe had taught world powers about ethnic cleansing.

A closer analogy would probably be the US's treatment of natives in America of the 1800s. In modern times, that sort of behavior is rightly condemned. Particularly after 1945. And I think one of the most disturbing things about the Nakba is the Holocaust should have been very fresh in every Israelis mind... so what does it say about the lessons Israel learned from the holocaust? I think saying "never forget" in relation to the holocaust is a very important thing - it's not something anyone should ever forget, regardless of their religion or ethnicity. So why is the Nakba so easily forgotten by Israel?

Israelis need to reconcile the darkness in their history, rather than pretend they are simply just responding to Palestinian/Arab/Islamic oppression. They need to realise that Netanyahu is a liar only concerned with personal power and that his disregard for Palestinian life for the last several decades has only served to make Israel less safe for Israelis - and has done more to damage Israel's standing in the west... and they need to look back to the prime minister that Netanyahu encouraged a deranged lunatic to assassinate. They need to look back to a time when Israel had leadership that was actually interested in making peace with the neighbors they fucked over when they moved back into the neighborhood.

Israelis and Palestinians both generally have low opinions of any two-state solution... and I think the international community really ought to tell both of them "fuck you both, come up with a two state solution or we'll come up with one for you."

But Israelis live in a democracy, they have the close ties with the international community... they aren't living under murderous dictators or their thuggish gangs. The onus is on the Israeli people to start demanding more of their government if they don't want to be treated like international pariahs. They are the ones with the power to make demands of the Israeli government and get results.

Israel has the position of power and agency, that is more that can be said of your average Palestinian civilian. If Israelis truly want peace and security, they've got to demand a better government. One that doesn't have power craven murderers like Netanyahu anywhere near power, one that doesn't have a hateful and unrepentant racist in charge of its security apparatus... but instead one that is genuinely serious about peace and security.

[OrangeKhrush]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think it's psycho to pretend either side in this are "the good guys" - it's a bunch of horrific people with a load of innocent people put in harms way because they're horrific.

I don't think this is true, by the way. They'd have to get it from Iran and Iran only got it in 2022 - it's probably the best air defense system Iran has, so they'll be needing that to protect from invasion (even though their air defenses are terrible). Hezbollah's got some of Iran's more sophisticated offensive weaponry in their rockets, which is Iran's real strong point in terms of their military industry complex, but I imagine their air defenses would mostly be very out of date shit. Hezbollah is armed to the teeth by Iran for offensive capabilities, because that is Iran's main way of deterring outright war with Israel - keeping the threat of a serious offensive force on Israel's border - but defensively in terms of modern military capability... they're very vulnerable.

I don't know how anybody can defend Israeli settlers actions in the West Bank and the Israeli government deserves so much condemnation for their support in these illegal settlements that do nothing for making Israel any safer (if anything, it increases hostility towards Israelis)... it is just stealing land from Palestinians in violation of international law in the name of Judaism.

This analogy falls flat on it's face though when you remember this conflict didn't start last year. In 1948, Palestinians were violently ethnically cleansed and forcibly removed from land they had called home for centuries. World powers either knew and supported this or sat by and did nothing - despite what recent history in Europe had taught world powers about ethnic cleansing.

A closer analogy would probably be the US's treatment of natives in America of the 1800s. In modern times, that sort of behavior is rightly condemned. Particularly after 1945. And I think one of the most disturbing things about the Nakba is the Holocaust should have been very fresh in every Israelis mind... so what does it say about the lessons Israel learned from the holocaust? I think saying "never forget" in relation to the holocaust is a very important thing - it's not something anyone should ever forget, regardless of their religion or ethnicity. So why is the Nakba so easily forgotten by Israel?

Israelis need to reconcile the darkness in their history, rather than pretend they are simply just responding to Palestinian/Arab/Islamic oppression. They need to realise that Netanyahu is a liar only concerned with personal power and that his disregard for Palestinian life for the last several decades has only served to make Israel less safe for Israelis - and has done more to damage Israel's standing in the west... and they need to look back to the prime minister that Netanyahu encouraged a deranged lunatic to assassinate. They need to look back to a time when Israel had leadership that was actually interested in making peace with the neighbors they fucked over when they moved back into the neighborhood.

Israelis and Palestinians both generally have low opinions of any two-state solution... and I think the international community really ought to tell both of them "fuck you both, come up with a two state solution or we'll come up with one for you."

But Israelis live in a democracy, they have the close ties with the international community... they aren't living under murderous dictators or their thuggish gangs. The onus is on the Israeli people to start demanding more of their government if they don't want to be treated like international pariahs. They are the ones with the power to make demands of the Israeli government and get results.

Israel has the position of power and agency, that is more that can be said of your average Palestinian civilian. If Israelis truly want peace and security, they've got to demand a better government. One that doesn't have power craven murderers like Netanyahu anywhere near power, one that doesn't have a hateful and unrepentant racist in charge of its security apparatus... but instead one that is genuinely serious about peace and security.

In 1947 the League of Nations Partition plan set out the solution,  It was not Israel that violated that.   It was the Palastinian's that wanted to self determine over Israel and used force force,  that is how it all began.   The "nakbha" was the exodus of Palastinians that chose war against Israel's right to self determination in accordance with the UN partition plan,  if it was about wanting a good life and peace then it would not have made sense to participate in a war of extermination against people that were fresh off the holocaust and post WW2 pogroms,   it was not like they had nowhere to go,  they went to west bank which was designated the Arab territory. 

Hajj Amin Husseini,  the first ruler of Palastine,  last of the Ottoman's very much drove the anti semite rhetoric, he was tied to Hitler and Mousilini and following his fleeing of palastine to escape arrest following a bloody war against the Brits he went to Germany where hitler called him the "perfect Aryan" because of his pale white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes.   In 1944 he presented on German radio;

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Arabs! Arise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.

The Jewish return evoked rampant anti semitism and the worst kind of islamic fundamentalism,  to blame this on Jews is just a cheap shot,  this is a conflict of ideological extermination against people that merely want to be left alone in the ancestral land.  In 2023 nothing changed other than Israel is much stronger than it was in 1947 and it is the Arabs that have moved nowhere.   Would I like a solution?  yes but I am done kidding that this is as simple as asking Israel to accept anything that Hamas wants,  that is weakness that will invite further hostility.   

https://www.meforum.org/5318/hajj-amin-antisemitism

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/hajj-amin-al-husayni-arab-nationalist-and-muslim-leader

There was a good vlog from a ICJ prosecuting advocate,  it was about the West Bank and how there is no real recognition of Palastine and thus Natural Law applies,  ie: he who can hold dominion over land is the owner,  the land became res derelictus when Jordan abandoned it following 1967.   It was a problem the "international community" was aware of and chose to do nothing because they were to busy fucking up Iran. 

The problem is further made bad by the fact that they haven't had anything that resembles a stable government.   If this is a Jew/Arab thing then there would not be 2.5 million Arabs in Israel,  this is down to an ideological war,  10/7 pushed the absolute limits

Judiasm and Levant:  The new age of anti semitism.

https://www.haaretz.com/2010-06-10/ty-article/landmark-study-proves-90-of-jews-are-genetically-linked-to-the-levant/0000017f-e0bb-df7c-a5ff-e2fba5950000

Back in the days when Haaretz was credible,  the study was done following the discovery of 70 skeletal remains in a well escavated in Norwich during the 12th century pogroms compared genetics to ancient skeletal remains from 9th centuary BC Jews and current Jews and there is a 90% correlation.   "Palastinians" are less that 15% genetic correlation.   

https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/12/20/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony/

The marginalisation of Diaspora Jews as not being Jews because we happened to be scattered due to slavery and exile,  our ancestor's were denied citizenship and persecuted as being "landless".   I am Ashkenazi, but my family name is tied to Aaron the brother of Moshe and Mirriam and the first of the line of Kohanim (High Priests).  The Lemba's of Zimbabwe are Jews and decendants of one of the lost tribes of Israel.

Zionism is not a new term and connotes the ideal of the jewish homeland which can only be Zion.   The conjecture on this was that it was meant to only be the right to live in the holy land but under the rule of Arabs,  however that as seen by Al Husseini was never going to end in any way other than the complete and under extinction of Jews and 3500 years of history and culture.  it is 2024 and the weaponisation of media to use language as a weapon is giving rise to new escalation of anti semitism and support for an ideology that have the complete massacre of jews as the main goal is indicative of the slippery slope society is in.   

Lebanon Strike: 

Lebanon or at least Hezbollah professed to having S400 systems,  they have s300's since 2016 and there is not that much difference between the s300 and s400,  in the end it would not make any difference,  the system should theoretically have at very least caused some degree of alertness given that the attack comprised mostly of F16 Block 30's and F15 I (basically a F15 A which is retrofitted with Israeli avionics to use Israeli weapon platforms such as the SPICE, Spike and I-Derby),  these are all Gen 4.5 fighters that are not low radar detection aircraft,  fully laden it should show up on even soviet era radar. 

https://ryanmcbeth.substack.com/p/why-striking-lebanon-is-different?r=20h0ql&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

It is a good take on why Iran don't want no beef,  why Hezbollah have cold feet and why the Lebanon Government is very much interested in a war that would weaken Hezbollah to the point of driving them out,  Hezbollah won't be able to use citizens as collateral either,  civilians can move north under the blanket of the Lebanon Government's protection,  it may be a chance for Lebanon to be liberated.