The Big Middle Eastern Thread

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

The international community wants conflict to generate a war economy, saving capital from collapsing in on itself without its ‘infinite growth’. Can’t collapse if you keep manufacturing massively expensive and resource demanding goods. Also can’t kill too quickly and efficiently because then you can’t keep selling manufacturing weapons. 

The world is such a pile of shit

[Spike]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The world is such a pile of shit

What are we supposed to do? We’ve set everything up for short term growth we have nothing in bank for when we can no longer exploit nature and labour. Everything is set up for the consumption of now, the growth of now. Even countries that have long term plans like China are still in a state of exploiting the demand for exponential growth, their mixed economies are designed to pivot from capital to communism but is that even possible without becoming isolationist? Probably not, the fight for resources will doom us all.

[OrangeKhrush]

Hamas have been offered a way out,  the put down their guns,  release hostages and they will be given immunity to leave.   Some news were able to capture scenes of Gazans celebrating the death of Sinwar.

It is now about a day after plan,  there wasnt one in 67,  a better plan may ultimately kill islamic jihad in the area.   It is a long way to go and there is hope that common sense prevails.

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Hamas have been offered a way out,  the put down their guns,  release hostages and they will be given immunity to leave.   Some news were able to capture scenes of Gazans celebrating the death of Sinwar.

It is now about a day after plan,  there wasnt one in 67,  a better plan may ultimately kill islamic jihad in the area.   It is a long way to go and there is hope that common sense prevails.

Where are they leaving to? Are they gonna sell their homes and move to Jo-Berg next door to you? Honestly sick of this dollar store Ben Shapiro bit you are running.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

42 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The world is such a pile of shit

War time economies dont work,  russia burned up their reserves and are now bankrupt.   They will be out of supplies by mid 2025.    Ukraine may have to survive one more onslaught to win a war alone.    

 

[OrangeKhrush]

Just now, Spike said:

Where are they leaving to? Are they gonna sell their homes and move to Jo-Berg next door to you? Honestly sick of this dollar store Ben Shapiro bit you are running.

 

I'm not in Johannesburg so if they want to sure.  They can go wherever they want.  I'm sure the options will be slim maybe iran or ISiS will take them in, dont know, dont care about a handful of terrorists.

[Spike]

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Edited October 17 by Spike

[Spike]

4 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

War time economies dont work,  russia burned up their reserves and are now bankrupt.   They will be out of supplies by mid 2025.    Ukraine may have to survive one more onslaught to win a war alone.    

 

What the fuck does Russia waging a war have to do with arms manufacturing nations instigating proxy wars to keep supply and demand? Russia didn’t start a war involving Russia so it could sell arms to Russia.

[Spike]

3 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I'm not in Johannesburg so if they want to sure.  They can go wherever they want.  I'm sure the options will be slim maybe iran or ISiS will take them in, dont know, dont care about a handful of terrorists.

So you’re okay with them in SA but not their homes? 

[OrangeKhrush]

Just now, Spike said:

What the fuck does Russia waging a war have to do with arms manufacturing nations instigating proxy wars to keep supply and demand? Russia didn’t start a war involving Russia so it could sell arms to Russia.

Russia and iran are supplying each other

[Spike]

1 minute ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Russia and iran are supplying each other

Your lungs don’t supply oxygen to your brain however

[OrangeKhrush]

Just now, Spike said:

So you’re okay with them in SA but not their homes? 

With there being a shortage of homes and a local population still waiting,  I dont think a handful of jihadis will like it much.

There is more chance of these left over Hamas fighters ending up in Europe or America

[6666]

Cheerleading a genocide and then pretending to be generous by saying "we'll allow them to leave"... Zionist extremists are genuinely batshit crazy.

[Azeem]

On 18/10/2024 at 02:43, Spike said:

The international community wants conflict to generate a war economy, saving capital from collapsing in on itself without its ‘infinite growth’. Can’t collapse if you keep manufacturing massively expensive and resource demanding goods. Also can’t kill too quickly and efficiently because then you can’t keep selling manufacturing weapons. 

 

[Azeem]

On 18/10/2024 at 02:41, Dr. Gonzo said:

Mexico literally had to deal with the US rolling in, stealing their land, and giving out citizenships to the land owning Mexican ranchers 

Btw the two nations now have friendly ties.

Because Mexico has their own country now. If US stole Mexican land leaving Mexicans as forever refugees without any country of their own one can bit the Mexicans would've been salty about it if not actively resisting till today. 

[Spike]

2 hours ago, Azeem said:

 

What a ridiculous tweet that  makes no sense. Anyone that uses the term 'globalist' is someone to ignore; especially if they are unaware of the dog whistle it is in the alt-right. What he just said is 'The fucken international Jews are behind this'

I’ll chalk it up to ESL and not knowing the connotations.

Edited October 21 by Spike

[Azeem]

13 minutes ago, Spike said:

What a ridiculous tweet that  makes no sense. Anyone that uses the term 'globalist' is someone to ignore; especially if they are unaware of the dog whistle it is in the alt-right. What he just said is 'The fucken international Jews are behind this'

I’ll chalk it up to ESL and not knowing the connotations.

Not really Globalism is a real academic term and than it has colloquial connotations as well. Like the word terrorism which more often than not has underhanded bigotry to refer to Muslims 'We need to stop terrorism' which you hear every Western govt official saying every now and then is just dog whistle for 'these fucking Muslims'

But that doesn't mean terrorism isn't a thing

[Spike]

14 minutes ago, Azeem said:

Not really Globalism is a real academic term and than it has colloquial connotations as well. Like the word terrorism which more often than not has underhanded bigotry to refer to Muslims 'We need to stop terrorism' which you hear every Western govt official saying every now and then is just dog whistle for 'these fucking Muslims'

But that doesn't mean terrorism isn't a thing

No. He didn’t say globalism, and if he had his post would be even more ridiculous. Globalism =/ globalist. The former is a the antithesis of nationalism, the latter is a term coined by Alex Jones to complain about Jews.

[Azeem]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

No. He didn’t say globalism, and if he had his post would be even more ridiculous. Globalism =/ globalist. The former is a the antithesis of nationalism, the latter is a term coined by Alex Jones to complain about Jews.

Nope. Globalist is a term like terrorist even if it is loosely applied and whatever undertones it may have.

Terrorist is also a very recent coined term. Insurgents and militants have existed for a long time but referring them as terrorist is few decades old.

General perception of a terrorist is someone who causes senseless violence killing wantonly. But no one calls 'mass shooters' in US terrorist because it is coined mostly to complain about Muslims. 

But saying anyone using the term terrorist is to be ignored is a stupid statement.

[Azeem]

Honestly man if Western people develop the same kind of sensitivity about using certain labels that have some undertones about Muslims like they have about Jews it will massively improve the world. Although it's the guilt of Holocaust that is the reason for latter but let's hope it doesn't have to take another such incident. 

You see on this forum people using term like 'Islamist' casually which is entirely concocted term by Western warhawks. Every Muslim is an Islamist by definition, including me, anyone who believes in the ideals of Islam in their private and public life is. No no no Islamist=/ that Islamist are kinda like the bad guys the violent ones who want to take over. Nope that are coined labels used as euphemism to target Muslims without saying so.

 

[Spike]

8 hours ago, Azeem said:

Nope. Globalist is a term like terrorist even if it is loosely applied and whatever undertones it may have.

Terrorist is also a very recent coined term. Insurgents and militants have existed for a long time but referring them as terrorist is few decades old.

General perception of a terrorist is someone who causes senseless violence killing wantonly. But no one calls 'mass shooters' in US terrorist because it is coined mostly to complain about Muslims. 

But saying anyone using the term terrorist is to be ignored is a stupid statement.

1. We weren’t talking about terrorist/terroism. I still don’t know why you brought it up.
2. they are French words dating to the revolution, ‘reign of terror’. So they aren’t new. Sadly the words are associated with  Islam but also strongly associated with Ireland and Communists, or freedom fighters like the Tamil Tigers.
3. globalist was a word literally coined to be racist dog whistle, there is no ‘loose application’, it just is a racist word. If you use it in place or combination with ‘globalism’ you’re either mistaken to the delineation or a weirdo conspiracy guy.
4. I don’t care what the general perception is, because we aren’t talking about the general perception and that general perception isn’t a correct definition, we are talking about some dickhead on Twitter that claims to be a geopolitics analyst despite having no grasp of the thing he professes to be. Definitions are important in this discourse.
5. mass shooters are usually not labeled terrorists because they are often not politically motivated. But when they are, they are labeled as such like the Pittsburgh Shooting, Orlando Night Club, or the Texas Walmart shooting. 
 

I don’t know why are you having a meltdown about terrorist/terrorism to defend some guy on Twitter.

 

[Spike]

7 hours ago, Azeem said:

Honestly man if Western people develop the same kind of sensitivity about using certain labels that have some undertones about Muslims like they have about Jews it will massively improve the world. Although it's the guilt of Holocaust that is the reason for latter but let's hope it doesn't have to take another such incident. 

You see on this forum people using term like 'Islamist' casually which is entirely concocted term by Western warhawks. Every Muslim is an Islamist by definition, including me, anyone who believes in the ideals of Islam in their private and public life is. No no no Islamist=/ that Islamist are kinda like the bad guys the violent ones who want to take over. Nope that are coined labels used as euphemism to target Muslims without saying so.

 

You aren’t wrong that it is an unfair usage of those words and often used as a dog whistle, you are completely right about that, but I don’t think terrorist is an equable situation to globalist. However I would agree that the usage of Islamist is comparable to globalist, that being a specific word that sounds technical but only used to be be pejorative, and often incorrectly.

On the same token many westerners in this thread have also defended the people of Islam in this thread so not everyone is subject to black and white.

[Spike]

Also I’m not sure if westerners really are sensitive to Jewish bigotry? I think it’s still a massive issue and something only recently changing. I mean westerners can’t even make amends with minorities that have been in their society like LBTQ and ethnic minorities.

its kinda like how westerners gloat about gay rights and women’s rights, acting like the problem is solved and looking down on other cultures, despite it being a recent development and a work in progress. 
 

I think it’s a massive ask to westerners to be sensitive to Islam when they aren’t even fully accepting of their own western fellows.

[Dr. Gonzo]

15 hours ago, Azeem said:

Because Mexico has their own country now. If US stole Mexican land leaving Mexicans as forever refugees without any country of their own one can bit the Mexicans would've been salty about it if not actively resisting till today. 

My point was that the two situations aren’t really comparable. Despite right wingers in the west, especially in America, constantly trying to use Hamas’s bullshit to justify why they hate certain immigrants attempts to make the situations seem similar… the history and reality of the situation loudly suggest they are full of shit.

[Dr. Gonzo]

10 hours ago, Azeem said:

Honestly man if Western people develop the same kind of sensitivity about using certain labels that have some undertones about Muslims like they have about Jews it will massively improve the world. Although it's the guilt of Holocaust that is the reason for latter but let's hope it doesn't have to take another such incident. 

You see on this forum people using term like 'Islamist' casually which is entirely concocted term by Western warhawks. Every Muslim is an Islamist by definition, including me, anyone who believes in the ideals of Islam in their private and public life is. No no no Islamist=/ that Islamist are kinda like the bad guys the violent ones who want to take over. Nope that are coined labels used as euphemism to target Muslims without saying so.

 

There are loads of people who say they’re “Muslim” but they don’t live super devout lives and “break the rules” all the time. These people are definitely not Islamists and I think most Islamists would say “these people are not real Muslims.”

But I don’t think these people can speak for all Muslims. People’s spirituality is down to them as individuals. If people want to take the word of the Quran, Torah, Bible, etc… as a general guideline on how they approach life but they don’t want to be super devout or follow every rule from some very old text as their political compass… that doesn’t make them suddenly drop their view of being religious.

If you’re truly guided in all ways by your faith then yes, you are an Islamist. And I think that way of thinking is just generally dangerous. The world has seen the societies Islamists end up imposing if they take power in the modern era.

And that doesn’t just go for Islam alone. Anyone in a position of power that believes in governance through their faith is dangerous. People guided entirely by faith don’t believe in compromise, they have righteous conviction that everything they’re doing is right and justified.

From GWB, to Khamenei, to the Pope - and any other modern figure that is guided primarily by their faith: they’ve all done horrible things to humanity in the name of their god. They’re dangerous.