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Corbyn is now backing an election. Looks like it'll take place on 9-12 December. Possibly the beginning of the endgame here but could just as easily be another hung parliament and another deadlock. The Lib Dems are starting to concern me with the way they keep distancing themselves from Labour even more than from the Tories. I'm afraid if Labour and the Lib Dems want to have any shot at a second referendum or revoking Article 50 they'll almost certainly have to work together. First they have to hope the Conservatives fail to reach a majority, then Swinson will have to look beyond her Corbyn issue. Too many ifs for me. Hopefully Corbyn can pull off another mega campaign. Last time Labour were trailing by 24 points in the polls when the election was called. Boris will be a better campaigner than Theresa May but let's also not forget that his people basically muzzled him during the Conservative leadership contest because of how good he is at coming out with terrible bullshit when put on the spot. No running away from the debates this time. If theres any way they can get the votes at 16 amendment through in time that will only help Labour too.

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Bernard out with a something grade 2 knee injury now. Hopefully means Richarlison will go left with DCL or Kean up top but will probably end up with Iwobi left and Sigurdsson back in number ten which is not what we want to see right now.

This. Also the very flawed and over complicated nature of some of the rules of football, especially those introduced to fit in with VAR ironically, are being exposed.

No I'm pretty sure it's genuine.

@SirBalon quoting and agreeing with his own post is the greatest evidence yet that this thread is becoming the echo-chamber that @Fairy In Boots calls it .

The ship has sailed regarding the emergency government anyway. That move was only justifiable as a desperate move to stop Johnson trying to slime through a no deal Brexit like he appeared to be headed for. As soon as the EU grant an extension, the opposition parties should accept a general election and go to the polls. Labour haven't done a good job of turning the polls around despite having months to prepare so if they're going to an election without a chance of victory it's their own fault, and it's a bed they'll have to lie in. Too bad the country will suffer as a result but unfortunately that's democracy. Not enough people in this country believe that voting for Labour is to their benefit, which is a major failing on their part when you look at the elitist right-wing Brexervative party they're up against, so Labour won't get into power unless they pull the best election campaign I've seen in my lifetime out of Corbyn's backside. The Lib Dems don't deserve much credit either. All they've done is claimed the Remain position to gain support of a bunch of MPs and voters whose biggest priority is to support the UK remaining in the EU. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to spot that there was their only path back to relevance while the Conservative party are trying to deliver on the Leave vote and Labour are treading carefully down the middle. The majority of people voting for Lib Dems in the opinion polls probably don't know the first thing about their policy beyond the fact that they are fighting to Remain. The only democratic thing to do if the current parliament can't get this deal through the Commons is to have an election and if Labour do manage to form a government somehow then we can have a second referendum perhaps. However, more likely the Tories will gain seats and gain the majority required to eventually get the withdrawal bill through. And this is coming from someone who voted Remain and Labour at the most recent opportunity and would do again if I was asked tomorrow, and I also actually quite like Corbyn. Sometimes though you just have to let the facts speak for themselves ahead of your own biases.

Rumour has it the entire opposition and enough Tory rebels were willing a few weeks ago to vote no confidence in Boris and support Corbyn in creating a temporary emergency government to prevent no deal and probably pass a motion for a second referendum. This was before Johnson came back with a deal. Who was it that stopped this from happening? Jo Swinson because she objects to Corbyn being a temporary prime minister despite wanting to achieve what she did more than she objects to BoJo and his project.

Can't argue with Max's talent and speed but Gasly and Albon have made him look extra good this year. When Ricciardo was in the same car, he showed that it wasn't just Max getting the speed and results out of a far inferior car, unless both Ricciardo and Verstappen are both that much better than Hamilton, Bottas and Vettel.

More stupidity really tonight. The House voted to discuss Boris's deal but quite reasonably voted against trying to force it through in less than a week. There's nothing wrong with extending for 3 more months to hammer out the deal in parliament. That's what parliament is there for. The only thing stopping it is Boris wanting to save face because he's shouted so much about October 31st. Be reasonable for fucks sake, agree to the extension and thrash out the details of the deal in parliament in good faith. Come out and say "I know we promised to leave on the deadline but we've found a compromise with the opposition parties and we're extending by 3 months to make sure we leave with the best possible deal that has been properly ratified by parliament". Johnson and the Tories only have themselves to blame on this. Between them they've had months and months to negotiate a deal and Johnson's bluster and history of lying and bending the rules is actually the major contributing factor to the opposition and Tory rebels being so obstructive to what he's trying to achieve. Who'd have thought saying one thing in public, another in Westminster, something entirely different on Twitter while your lawyers tell a different story in the Scottish courts would sow distrust amongst the other MPs? As for the other side, if the EU grant an extension and Johnson tables another motion for a general election there really isn't any excuse left not to vote in favour and get it done. It pains me to say it but now that a no deal Brexit has more or less been prevented, Labour have to put their money where their mouth is and go to the polls. I cant see them getting anywhere near power though. Worst possible scenario is another hung parliament. The Tories would need the Brexit party to prop them up which seems entirely unlikely given Farage's stance on Johnson's deal. Labour being propped up by everyone else is the other possibility but Jo Swinson has already said that she won't back Corbyn so the only way that happens is if Labour, SNP, PC and Greens somehow amass over half of the seats and I can't see that in a month of Sundays either. So basically we're still in "what a mess" limbo. The only thing that gets us out is a general election that leads to a Tory majority, which could happen. This is what happens in a two party system when there's no consensus though. Leave still seems to have slightly more popularity than Remain yet Remain is more popular than any of the many versions of Leave and no party holds a majority in parliament. We shouldn't be surprised by this after the referendum landed on 52/48 and then the courts finding Leave guilty of breaking electoral law sticking an asterisk next to that already slender result.

Trying to keep abreast of everything while I'm at work but can't access Twitter. Just read this on BBC: So the Conservatives could pass a no confidence vote in their own government to force a general election, I'm okay with that much but I have two questions: 1) Wouldn't they risk Corbyn and the opposition parties forming an emergency government? I know this is almost impossible barring a sudden u-turn from Jo Swinson and her party. 2) If there is a no confidence vote in Johnson's government, is he then allowed to run as party leader in the general election that follows? I assume yes otherwise they wouldn't do it but seems a bit bizarre.

Watched the full match. Legend.

For a long time I thought a second referendum would be a big problem because if Remain won it would just open a whole can of worms about which one actually counted. However, the farce has become so farcical that I changed my mind a while ago. More and more comes out about the mistruths of the Leave campaign and the current government that I think it's now justified to ask the question again even though I still think it opens that can of worms. I sympathise with Leave voters in the whole situation but if you're happy to use "it's what the people voted for" as your justification for wanting it done, based on democracy, then you can have no reason for it not to go back to a public vote. There's nothing more democratic than having a second referendum with proper information this time. If the people still want to Leave then Leave will win again and the people get what they want. If people now want to Remain then it's stupid to press on with Brexit and call it what the people want because it shows that it's actually what the people wanted in 2016.

Johnson has sent an unsigned letter to the EU requesting an extension but also making it clear it isn't his letter, it's parliaments letter. To be fair I think it's a fair way of abiding by the law without compromising on his promises as a leader.

This was very obvious straight away. It was like on Monday he and his boys decided their new game plan was to get a deal for their own selfish reasons. He's had months to get it sorted yet he left it until the last few days. If he was serious about getting a good deal he'd have been over there the day after he became PM. People believe what they want to believe though and some Brexit voters actually believe it's good for us. I can't fathom this Brexit at all costs mentality though. It's this worrying thing again that people are more bothered about their version of democracy "winning" than they are about the actual, feasible consequences of Brexit.

The only reason Johnson is so desperate to get the deal through quickly is because of all the bluster about how he absolutely will deliver Brexit on 31 October. It's an ego trip on his part. If his deal is so great then what's the harm in waiting 3 more months? It's not unreasonable for parliament to expect more than a few days to make sure the deal is actually good for us, which it probably isn't given that it appears that Johnson has basically decided at the last minute that he needs a deal at all costs for election reasons, and has gone in and spent a matter of days negotiating with the EU meaning that the deal is probably pretty bad. I know we're all fed up of hearing about Brexit but it really is worrying how many people don't realise how much more fed up they could end up being with a lot of things if we prioritise rushing through a bad Brexit just because Johnson needs it to be done on 31 October, instead of making sure we get it right (or as right as Brexit can be).

Almost want it to get voted through tomorrow just so it's done. A part of me still wants the electorate to go through some fucking shit times as well to teach them to actually read up on facts next time they vote on something rather than voting based on emotion and soundbites. But if BoJo delivers Brexit and calls an election he'll probably win a majority and it's been painful enough watching him as prime minister of this country for a few months so another 4 years and you can fuck right off.

Its particularly amusing hearing Johnson go on about getting Brexit out of the way so that they can focus on schools and police and health as if the Conservative party aren't the reason these sectors need sorting out and as if they haven't been in power for the last ten years to do so, and as if he himself isn't one of the primary reasons for selling a fake Brexit in the referendum that has led to three years of absolute chaos in parliament.

Apparently a deal has been agreed but the DUP haven't given their backing. It's hard to see that going through Parliament hassle-free before October 31. They obviously have this big sitting tomorrow where this will all be discussed. I can see the compromise being that MPs will vote through a motion where the deal goes to a Remain vs Deal second referendum to be held as soon as possible and Johnson asking for a three-month extension in the meantime. I think this is a win for Johnson though. I don't think it's going to be a great deal because I get the impression his team have been desperate to get some sort of deal in place even if it's not exactly what they were hoping for. If the deal gets thrown out by the commons and he is forced to ask for an extension then he can go into the election saying that Labour and the other parties have blocked Brexit again and extended this crisis. If Brexit somehow gets delivered either now or after a confirmatory referendum, then he goes into the general election in a strong position. If it does go to the confirmatory referendum I think Leave has a better chance of winning with an actual deal on the table than it would have if there was a Leave vs Remain referendum that was no more specific than the original one, or if it was Remain vs No Deal. Interesting times ahead.

It's going to be a funny one now. The ERG are more likely to be malleable than they were with May's deal with an election imminent and the damage it will do the Tories to have to ask for an extension after all Johnson has said about getting it done with or without a deal on October 31. Then on the other side you've got Labour MPs who may have backed a deal but are now less likely to help Boris get Brexit done and riding that wave into a general election. It's a wait and see one for me. I have nowhere near enough knowledge on the Irish border side of things to comment in much depth on it.

Sounds like Johnson has "surrendered" to most of the EU demands in his desperate bid not to be embarrassed into asking for an extension. DUP not yet on board but there appears to be an agreement between Johnson, Barnier and the Irish bloke. Unlikely to get through the Commons though methinks.

Finally the younger lads are stepping up on a relatively consistent basis. Still need them to do this in a grand slam though. Did you see the Murray and Fognini kick off earlier in the tournament? Fabio is such a twat.

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Watching Joker tonight, looking forward to it after what I've heard.