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Because the rich bastards in the Conservative party and their mates with all their dodgy offshore holdings don't give a toss if the UK is destroyed economically. It either won't affect them or they have enough money that it will barely leave a scratch on them. That said, I believe that it isn't that cynical for the key players. It's more about ego for the likes of Farage and Johnson while Dominic Cummings is just an anarchist who wants to prove something to himself so I suppose it's about ego for him too.

I wish the electorate weren't so stupid that even a government and prime minister who can repeatedly break the law and/or signal an intention to do so will still manage to sell so many of the little sheep the "people vs parliament" line as if they're all on the same side.

There's literally millions of people as equally stupid and brainwashed as this bloke up and down the country and that's the problem we face with trying to approach this debate with a semblance of reason over the past 4 years.

why have they bothered with all the controversy over proroguing parliament? If they're just going to ignore everything parliament does that they don't like anyway then they needn't have bothered surely.

Even if you rubbed that tweet in the faces of the entire population 70% of them aren't educated enough to know what it means and most of the others don't want to know.

What's the process of impeaching like in this country? Boris was part of the law-breaking Leave campaign, now he has apparently unlawfully prorogued parliament before stating that he will unlawfully ignore what Parliament passed into law this week and refuse to ask for an extension. I wonder how far we have to go down this route before people start acknowledging that this is the type of tyrannical dictatorship that horrifies and mystified the British public when it's going on in Iraq or sub-Saharan Africa. Obviously we're a long way from those standards but lying to the public to win a referendum that eventually allows him to take the greatest position of power in the country without being elected to that position so that he can show everyone how far above the law I think he is is where it starts. Thankfully we actually have systems in this country that won't allow him to take things too much further without being checked but he is showing that he would play the full on dictator if he was able to.

Had a glance at our ratings. Digne upgraded to 83 but Richarlison only goes up to 79 while Bernard stays at 80 which is a bit daft. Surprising too as flair players like Richarlison are usually the ones that get massively overhyped inflated ratings (see Felipe Anderson apparently being 84 this year). I do think they just do ratings based on a random six game run at some point in the season they actually pay attention or something.

Nobody seems to be talking about this Laporte injury. I think it's potentially massive. Last season their biggest weakness was a lack of cover for Fernandinho. Now it's the fact they only have one top quality centre half and now he's injured. Stones and Otamendi are vulnerable. Cancelo can apparently play in central defence but it isn't his first position.

It's barely even about the EU at this point. For me it's more about realising just how utterly fucked this country is when all that parliament and the media have talked about for three years is Brexit yet 90% of people you pass on the street probably couldn't list three factual statements about Brexit or the EU without one of them including a distorted statistic/lie they've read in a newspaper or on social media from some obsessed cunt on one side or another. I saw two polls from today from the same source. One of them said more people prefer to delay Brexit than leave without a deal on October 31st. Another one said that overall, people would prefer to leave with no deal than remain if a deal can't be struck. Nobody knows what the country fucking wants anymore and until you make every voter in this country take a two month course on the actual benefits and consequences of leaving the European Union they never will, which is why this should never have been put to a referendum in the first place, along with the fact that there are about 600 different possible Brexits, not just one, that all have hugely different implications on people's lives and would change the way some people would vote if you asked them Leave or Remain again. Our problem as a society is reflected in what we're seeing play out in the House of Commons now. We used to be able to sit down and have a conversation with ourselves about these things but social media and this recent phenomenon that politicians have realised they can say what they want regardless of how true or false it is as long as they shout louder than the people pointing out their lies, then they can get away with it. There's not a single major newspaper in this country you can trust, even the BBC are accused of being biased by both sides of the debate. We've lost that ability to have a conversation with ourselves which is why Brexit has become a proverbial shouting match all the way from the pub on a Friday night to Westminster. Anyone who thinks the majority of MPs actually stand for anything is kidding themselves. Brexit has just become the latest game for them. The Conservatives win if they get out at all costs because it will probably win them the next election as long as they call one before anyone has a chance to weigh up the consequences of their actions. Any Conservatives that value their views on Brexit over securing their pay packet for another 5 years have left, unless indeed their values were Hard Brexit in the first place. Labour see Brexit as an opportunity to get into power, something they'd likely never do with Corbyn at the helm under normal circumstances. The Lib Dems might genuinely believe Remain is the best option but mostly see it as an opportunity to become a relevant option again. It's all a disgusting mess. I've barely given a toss about Remain or Leave for years now, because I, like most, accepted the result of the referendum, at least until it emerged that Vote Leave broke electoral law, but then I realised nothing would happen so I was a bit outraged for a while then I got over it again. However, seeing Boris Johnson bumbling around as the leader of this country makes me physically ill under any circumstances, regardless of Brexit, Remain or Leave allegiance. His track record speaks for itself with his inappropriate comments, selfish choices and general lack of fitness for office. If seeing him appointed Prime Minster without an election wasn't an outrage too far, watching him and his puppet master Cummings actively trying to break every convention and bend every law that democracy in this country has been built on for decades, certainly is. Like I said earlier in the thread, this whole thing could just as easily be a referendum over whether brown bread should be banned from Great Britain. My opinion and vote has and still does go with Remain, but it doesn't matter. Politics and democracy in this country has been reduced to a pathetic, social media driven propaganda war where every tool and tactic is fair game, even if it's illegal in some cases, and regardless of what you think of the EU, that's a sad, sad situation for this nation to find itself in. Once a beacon of democracy and fair and proper conduct, we've been reduced to "pick a side and put 'em up" to resolve our disagreements.

I can think of a few other opinions that might be out of date since 3 years ago too. I can only comment on the people I speak to as well, like you, and I barely know anyone who's in favour of Leave in the first place, and those that did vote to Leave give stupid reasons like "we were great once we'll be great again". I don't hold anything against you voting for Leave, you've shared your experience of how our membership of the EU affected your employment and your life, and the lives of others in your circle. We've reached a point now that 90% of people on both sides have been waiting for 3 years to go "HA, told you so" and are more likely to vote to make a point than to vote for what they genuinely think is better for the country, be that Remain or Leave, if there were a second referendum.

Andreescu also hasn't played at the US Open before this year, so very impressive victory from her.

#WhatTheCountryVotedFor

Amber Rudd the latest to resign. Leaving the Conservative party is becoming the next #MeToo movement. Boris Johnson slowly turning them into the Brexit party in all but name. Can see more and more people following these recent high profile departures. Looks like if you want to be a Tory now you have to back a no deal Brexit or get out. I've never been a Conservative sympathiser but it's worrying to see them becoming essentially a one-issue party for the foreseeable future and makes it even more important that Johnson is turfed out one way or another following the upcoming election. Electing him as leader was a huge gamble from the Conservatives even though it was perceived as the "safe bet" at the time, and it looks to be backfiring pretty spectacularly at this stage.

I think if he went to Everton or Leicester he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough to justify building a squad around him. For us he might offer a decent alternative to Sigurdsson in the number 10 role. At Leicester I can see him fitting in with the Maddison/Tielemans/Barnes sort of midfield where you've got a lot of tricky midfielders nipping around trying to find space.

I take the piss out of him like most but I do think he'd be a decent option for us or Leicester, for example, but I wouldn't take him aged 27 for the transfer fee and wages you'd have to pay and I'm sure most others wouldn't. It's a weird one because he's not good enough to be a star at United but he's also worth more to them than he is to other clubs.

It's insane. How anyone can vote for this Conservative government with Johnson at the helm is beyond me. 21 MPs sacrificed their entire careers this week to stop Boris Johnson from achieving his selfish goal of delivering Brexit at all costs because of the damage it would do to the country. Why else would they have done it? It certainly wasnt for personal gain because they've fucking decimated their own careers in the process. Boris's own brother left the party in a very public manner because he has taken the Conservative party in such a dark direction. People can say what they want about Corbyn as a leader, he splits opinion but you cant say that he's as flat out unfit for office as Boris Johnson.

They never set Ronaldo and Messi above 94 at the start of the game because then they wouldn't be able to upgrade them with the Team of the Week or Team of the Year variations and get idiots to spend hundreds of pounds trying to find them in packs.

You can criticise Corbyn all you want but right now he has Johnson over a barrel. Johnson now can't pass a thing in the House of Commons thanks to the last few years of Tory ineptitude finally catching up on them and eliminating their majority. Johnson can't reclaim any power until he calls an election and wins a majority which isn't even guaranteed. And for an election, he needs Corbyn to agree. And Corbyn won't agree until No Deal is taken off the table. If he is successful in protecting Britain from a No Deal Brexit then that's already more than anything any of the recent merry-go-round of Conservative prime ministers have achieved for the country's benefit since David Cameron was re-elected. Meanwhile across the bench, Johnson piles lies upon lies upon lies, even after losing his majority. Today it has come out that there would be no possibility for him to negotiate any sort of deal at the EU summit in mid-October and that all negotiations have to go through the EU's Brexit negotiator, who isn't part of the 27 EU leaders who meet at the summit. An EU spokesperson has also come out and said that they haven't received any sort of new proposal over a Brexit deal since Johnson came into office. There were leaks yesterday about the current government's negotiations being seen as a sham by Number Ten which you can see on the previous page. People call Corbyn inept and even dangerous, but if anyone thinks he's more dangerous than this iteration of the Conservative party, frankly that's insane. This is the party who seem to think they can get away with acting as if they're executing the will of the people when actually they're trying to implement the result of an illegal referendum and refuse to go back to the people and see what they actually want now that they know they were lied to for so much of the Vote Leave campaign. Credit must go to Corbyn and the Tory rebels this week who have defended this country from potential disaster against a government whose MO has become Brexit at all costs.

That's some North Korea level of self-brainwashing there. Actually quite unnerving that it's possible people can be that deluded and out of touch with reality.

Looks like all 21 Conservative MPs who rebelled tonight are being kicked out of the party by Boris/Cummings. Incredible stuff. On his second day in Westminster the buffoon has already been defeated in his first major vote and seen his one-seat majority become a minority government 22 seats short of a majority. Ken Clarke, the longest serving sitting MP was amongst the rebels, as was Philip Hammond who was chancellor two months ago, and Rory Stewart who stood for the leadership. Corbyn won't agree to a general election until a no deal Brexit has been taken off the table. Farage has been quoted as saying we're rapidly heading to a very dark place. Rumours that Dominic Cummings has lost it and was wandering around parliament offices tonight with a glass of red wine and challenged Corbyn to go into a general election when he crossed paths with him. Don't believe everything you read but at least one journalist and a Labour shadow cabinet MP have said that something to this effect happened. Astounding events today and to see so many Conservative MPs stand up in the interests of their constituents and fair democracy, putting their places in their party and probably their seats on the line, has restored a little slither of faith in the government for me. Watch out for a sting in the tail though as the Tories in the House of Lords (where the government dont hold a majority) are said to be preparing to fight tonight's bill tooth and nail.

328 votes to 301. There will be a debate and vote tomorrow on whether to block no deal. Boris claims he will table a proposal for a general election if the house votes to block No Deal. I still worry that Johnson will just about scrape through an election and we'll end up back at square one, because the public are stupid enough to believe that he will actually try and negotiate a deal, when it's apparently come out that his team for negotiating a deal is one quarter of the size that Theresa May had but sadly our electorate is too ridiculous to pay attention to Boris Johnson's track record of being a known liar and charlatan as long as he shouts some idiotic catch phrase like "take back control" or "brexit means brexit" or "hang the traitors" louder than anyone who is actually trying to discuss the pros and cons of any of the issues at hand. I'm also getting fed up of people arguing that Brexit "just needs to get done". You being fed up of hearing about it on the news isn't more important than the future of the country being sorted out correctly, but again watch people use this as a rationale for choosing whoever they vote for. There's a woman on Sky News going on about getting the deal done because we want to get back to the national agenda. Yes because the Conservative government were doing such a fine job with education and the NHS before Brexit became everything . Problem is I just don't see Corbyn ever winning a majority and I don't see other parties propping him up in a coalition. If Labour had a more moderate and centrist leader they should be able to walk a general election. I have no idea which way this ends up going now but at least the stalemate is broken and at least the probable No Deal coup looks like it's going to be prevented.

Conservatives lose their majority as Phillip Lee defects to the Liberal Democrats. Reports that the legislation is set to be passed. The Prime Minister will be bound to request to delay Brexit if MPs don't either vote through a new deal or a no-deal exit before October 31.

It's a bit crazy how many people seem to call things "VAR's fault". Do we need to clarify that anything to do with VAR is actually just mistakes by people not using the availability of new technology to make decisions? Some people talk as if VAR is some sort of sentient being hell bent on ruining football. It's like blaming the linesman's flag for an offside call or the referee's whistle for a dodgy penalty.