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Would love to see McLaren be competitive again and I was hoping to put their struggles down to Honda as a lot of good feedback was given on their chassis especially towards the end of 2017. Looks like I'll be hoping for another year...

Not sweating like

Agreed and he wasn't even good, scored like 5 goals for us in a season?

At the same time, why would we be arsed about a player who's spent half a season injured and couldn't get a game over Niasse and Calvert-Lewin when he was fit and now is on loan at Sevilla and can't get a game there either.

Maybe I'm being harsh but this time yesterday I thought Sandro was unfortunate, a young and talented footballer who has been held back by injuries and joining a struggling club at the wrong time. However comments like this just make him come across like he's not interested in fighting to succeed at Everton (maybe you can't blame him?) but if that's the case I'm no longer arsed about seeing him come back and get another chance. No great loss after all. Such a shame though, it seemed like we'd pulled off one of the buys of the window getting a player who was comfortably into double figures in La Liga last season for 5 million. On the other hand, low fee means we've not lost a great investment here like we have on some other players. I don't know whether anyone else listens to the Royal Blue podcast with the Echo journalists but they compared him to Suso and Aspas (two other Premier League flops who were good in La Liga and are now Spanish internationals), not that I'm trying to have a dig at Liverpool because those are the examples they used on the podcast. It does seem strange that certain young Spanish players have a specific issue performing in England. For the record, Sandro is hardly pulling up trees at Sevilla either, so it's debatable whether they'll even want to make the move permanent. While he hasn't had a plethora of opportunities mostly settling for substitute appearances, no goals yet and a single assist in the Copa del Rey semi final doesn't scream out "impact" to me personally.

Emboldened by a rare victory in the Tipping Thread, I will be placing this 40/1 thunderbastard this weekend. Hopefully it keeps me interested.

Sometimes I get Lucozade when I'm hungover. Only Orange though. If they started by selling the Original flavour, I have to be honest I've got no idea how they sold enough of that shite to be successful, it's so bad.

Teachings easy though .

I meant figuratively not Literally!

Reds and Blues under one roof? Bleurgh . To be fair, Liverpool as a city has always been pretty good at having a unity about it but when it comes to football I can't see there ever being much momentum behind an AFC club as a second side for both Red and Blue.

He's hardly going to say yeah I'm probably getting sacked at the end of the season so I'm not letting this bother me.

Hope he writes back asking for Robertson's shirt instead of one signed by a racist. Top class in all seriousness by Robertson. It's huge for kids when stuff like this happens and footballers should do it more. It's one thing that makes me proud about Everton that quite a few of ours (especially Coleman, Baines, in the past Naismith, Osman) do this sort of thing often.

Fair. Funes Mori in the long run probably isn't good enough for us but for the rest of this season or at least the coming weeks I'd say it's worth giving him a shot with the momentum of his recovery and an impressive under 23 comeback behind him, rather than Keane who is going through a pretty shitty spell.

While I agree with you on Hazard you're contradicting yourself re: variables. Like Hazard doesn't have the opportunity at Chelsea to post Salah's numbers, Salah doesn't have the opportunity at Liverpool to compete for silverware in the way that Hazard has at Chelsea in previous years.

I think Keane isn't a lost cause, but he's been consistently poor this season with only a few good performances mostly coming early on. He's struggled when the going got tough, I don't think he's a bad player and I think the right manager could sort him out, but I think he's soft which isn't good. Williams is a let down and of the two, he's the one that has no future with us. However, on the rare occasions we've had a decent run of defensive performances this season, he has at least been part of some of those when partnered with Holgate. I'm struggling to think of anyone Keane has been paired with where there's even been signs of some consistency and a chance of there being a worthwhile partnership in it. I reiterate that Williams can still fuck off and of all of our defenders, he's hit the lowest lows of all this season and far too often. Not just his ability and pace deserting him but his temperament too, unacceptable when he's about 4th or 5th in line to the armband and therefore a semi-regular skipper. Not sold on Keane either though. Definitely a player in there but I never like it when you've got a player who can only perform well in certain circumstances and it takes effort to put that in place for them. We've had a few in recent years - Jelavic, Deulofeu, Stones etc.

Keane over Funes Mori still?

We are so inactive in here compared to the Chelsea and Arsenal threads. Those guys think they have things to moan about, we need to up our game to demonstrate that our lot have been the shittest disappointment of all this season. Funes Mori and Klaassen (remember him?) played and impressed for the under 23s on Monday. I like to think Mori will come into the side alongside Holgate on Saturday though that might be a bit bold from Fatty. Perhaps Keane and Holgate with Mori on the bench is more realistic. With Baines making the bench at Burnley I'd expect to see him finally put Martina out of his left back misery too. I know Klaassen hasn't shown anything in his first team appearances but everyone has spoken about his on going professionalism and hard work on the training ground. Now that alone should be a given but it's still less than a year since he captained Ajax in a European final. A player of that calibre should not be so far from the first team picture as long as Morgan Schneiderlin is still not just making the bench but actually setting foot on the pitch most weeks. I know Klaassen splits opinion amongst our fan base at the moment but I'm firmly in the camp of giving him time. Forget about his wages and what we paid for him because it's irrelevant. We have a player rotting in the periphery who can play well enough to become captain of Ajax and a Dutch international. We need to give him another chance to show what he can do. What the fucks happened to Vlasic by the way? My ideal but completely unrealistic hope for Saturday is to see the following lineup: Pickford Coleman Holgate Mori Baines Gueye Klaassen Walcott Sigurdsson Vlasic Tosun Subs: Robles, Kenny, Keane, Rooney, Bolasie, Calvert-Lewin, Niasse.

Shoving someone into the crowd because you've just given away a penalty and you're pissed off because the other guy went down easy and you were a bit naive putting your hands anywhere near him in the box is perfectly understandable and commonplace when you're a thick footballer. Suddenly calming down again and coming up with a master plan to turn things around and get your opponent in trouble with chaos going on around you seems less likely when it's a thick footballer, but it's not impossible I'll give you that much. On both sides, it's all speculation (though I will still maintain that my speculation is in line with the result of the investigation as opposed to people who call themselves lip reading experts on Twitter - granted the FA don't tend to be much more reliable than those people) and I think we'll both admit we're biased towards our own players and we'd likely (almost certainly) be having the same argument on opposite sides had things happened in reverse. So yes, let's move on.

I see where you're coming from to an extent but you're both being hypocritical. Maybe I am too. But between you, you can't say that you're almost or entirely sure Holgate made it up or shouldn't have made an accusation unless he was sure, then in the next breath be accusing Holgate of playing the race card when you yourself are basing that on pure speculation. You're saying that there are people out there who play the race card making it more likely or less of a leap that Holgate did the same thing is dangerous as well. Where do you draw the line with that line of thinking? "Other footballers have said racist things on the pitch before so it's not that much of a leap to think Firmino said the same thing". "Other coaches have been done for molesting young boys at football clubs before so it's not that much of a leap to think that Klopp/Mourinho/Allardyce did the same thing". See where I'm going with this? The FA did their investigation and put it down to a misunderstanding basically, found no fault on either side. No evidence of racism from Firmino, no evidence of false accusation with dishonest intent from Holgate. Time to move on.

I just find it utterly absurd that anyone even looking at it through tinted specs can be so certain that somebody of Holgates age and state of mind in that moment (losing his head with that push and shouting at his team mates that he was called a fucking nigger) would somehow concoct this plan to fabricate an accusation of racism against an opponent in the space of the few seconds he had to think about it. Why some people still can't accept that in a stadium where literally thousands of people are yelling dogs abuse at each other, adrenaline going at 100mph for both guys that Firmino probably yelled a generic insult at Holgate in Portuguese that he misheard and reacted to what he thought was said? Seriously there are absolute spackermongs who support Everton and Liverpool who have a seriously unhealthy obsession with each other's clubs, if there was anything in this they'd still be going at it hammer and tongs. Basically I think you're being biased but I don't want to make a false accusation and risk a ban .

as if we're still on this about Holgate when even other Liverpool fans have branded it "embarrassing" that there's shouts for Holgate to get banned for false accusations.

What if you're 80% sure that you've heard something racist directed at you or another person but you can't prove It? Should you just let it go when there's an 80% chance someone has been racially abused because of the 20% chance that you're making a false allegation? Or should you raise it for investigation? I know you don't want to backtrack on what you said at the time, but your argument back then was that Firmino will get dogs abuse across the country as a result of Holgates accusation and that for having this impact on Firmino, Holgate should face some punishment. Fair enough i guess, but nobody has mentioned Firmino getting any further abuse from fans so I don't see it as an issue. The FA have been very careful in their wording in both of these cases with the important caveat about Holgate and Brewster being judged to have made their complaints in good faith. The implication here is that the FA have investigated whether it was a deliberate false accusation and have concluded that it wasn't, but that they've looked down that route because there would have been a sanction if that's what it was. You can't set the precedent you're suggesting.

I'm not saying you'll be wrong at all, just that the evidence isn't there to say you're definitely right.

Lol, trying to apply this logic to the heat of the moment on a football pitch (especially a Merseyside derby for the Holgate incident) is mad.

Okay this was a couple of years ago but Chelsea did play Salah (obviously not enough) across a front three numerous times and he obviously didn't cause havoc. I'm not denying that Salah is world class and he's putting together one of the best seasons we've seen from any current player, but it's still one season. I know he did well at Roma too but not to the extent that he was being talked about as one of the top 5 players in the world otherwise he wouldn't have ended up at Liverpool. Look at Mahrez for example, best player in the league for one season then he went back to being "just" a quality player who would still get into most sides in world football but isn't a contender for the Ballon D'Or or anything like that. Not taking anything away from Salah but let's see him keep this up for more than six months before concluding that he is a better player overall than Eden Hazard who has his dips but still has on his CV that he was a key player in multiple title winning sides.