Yellowstone

[Bluewolf]

6 hours ago, nudge said:

There are rumours circulating that the show will end with Season 5, as apparently there are huge disagreements with Kevin Costner in terms of shooting schedule, due to Costner working on his own multi-part Western epic movie. But don't worry, a new spinoff series is already in planning, with Matthew McConaughey expected to take the lead role  

https://collider.com/yellowstone-ending-with-season-5/

Actually would make sense to end it, as I think the show risks becoming way too repetitive and less and less believable. The prequels were (are) great, so I would rather see new stories in the same universe instead of continuing with the whole "Beth is crazy, Jamie is a cunt, they hate each other, and John is indestructible" schtick with a new or modified set of villains every season.  

I was reading elsewhere that Matthew McConaughey might be taking over... 

Yellowstone: Kevin Costner out, Matthew McConaughey in, reports claim (msn.com)

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1 minute ago, Bluewolf said:

I was reading elsewhere that Matthew McConaughey might be taking over... 

Yellowstone: Kevin Costner out, Matthew McConaughey in, reports claim (msn.com)

I assume he'll play a different character though, there's like a 20 year age difference between the two  

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1 minute ago, nudge said:

I assume he'll play a different character though, there's like a 20 year age difference between the two  

I can't see it working any other way... not even convinced he could carry it off as another character to be honest not in this type of series.. 

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3 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

I can't see it working any other way... not even convinced he could carry it off as another character to be honest not in this type of series.. 

Yes, I'm not convinced either. Good actor, but somehow doesn't appear to suit the vibe of the show, imo. 

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Binged 1923 while I was off sick here. What a great spin off yet again, they smashed this one out of the park. Taylor Sheridan is a quickly becoming one of the best story teller's already. I cant wait for the next season.

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Its back baby. Not the show though, thats over now.

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On 06/01/2022 at 00:57, nudge said:

Frankly, I enjoyed the finale, but thought it was a bit underwhelming as well.

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Thought the whole Kayce's vision stuff went for a bit too long, and then we still didn't get to see the actual vision (the two paths?)  If I had to make a bold wild guess, I'd say that he'll work towards integrating the ranch & the land into the reservation in order to save it from Market Equities and other land grabbers.

 

I claim bragging rights for this

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1 hour ago, nudge said:

I claim bragging rights for this

You deserve it, pretty good call 

What are your thoughts on the finale? season/episode?

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3 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

You deserve it, pretty good call 

What are your thoughts on the finale? season/episode?

Soooo, there's a lot to discuss there. Overall, I enjoyed the show A LOT. There's a lot of valid criticism, especially for Season 5 (Part 2 after the hiatus, in particular), but overall, it was a really really fun ride. I think Season 5 really suffered from the change of pace after Costner left, and they kinda had to finish the story faster and differently than it was probably intended. Some people complain about it being unrealistic, having a lot of plot holes, etc., and yes it is true, but come on, it's literally a modern western soap opera, what do you expect?... 

WARNING TO ANYONE WHO HASN'T WATCHED IT YET : MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD

First of all, my main issues/disappointments. Hands down, it's the penultimate episode of this season; thought it was by far the worst and cringiest one in the whole series. You know, where Taylor Sheridan basically decided to spend most of the episode trying to show how cool and important his own character is, and how good he is at riding horses, playing strip poker, and wooing women. Just a complete douchebag with a massive Napoleon complex  Related to that, I didn't like the very obvious product placement, resulting in some totally unnecessary scenes or even plotlines - the whole 6666 thing in particular, as it was mostly unnecessary filler material, and once again was just used to promote the upcoming show and the actual 6666 ranch that Taylor Sheridan, of course, has bought with his buddies in real life  I thought the whole Part 2 of Season 5 was rushed and not written or executed well, overall. Some of the character development went to shit, too.

So all that out of the way, I have to say that I still really loved the finale, and I liked how they wrapped it all up. Thought it was very emotional, and the outcome of almost everything was really satisfying. The ranch and the land going back to the Native Americans was not only what I predicted, but also what I was hoping for, so I am obviously very happy with it, and I loved the little monologue about the land at the very end... especially being delivered by Elsa, from beyond the grave, again, which I thought brought it all full circle. Jamie finally getting what he deserved, Beth and Kayce gaining the freedom to live their lives with their own families the way they want to, not being chained to the ranch anymore, the cowboys moving on with their lives to new, better things. The tribe getting their land back, and saving it from the greedy developers and politicians in the process, so John's wish also came true, albeit not the way he envisioned it. Very satisfying, and provided perfect closure. I think the series, with all it flaws, had a lot of soul, and it was especially visible in all those nature scenes, romantic cowboy life musings, criticism of the modern way of life, and the Native American parts. Definitely my favourite thing about it. Ending it with a Willie Nelson's My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys was kinda perfect!

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14 minutes ago, nudge said:

Soooo, there's a lot to discuss there. Overall, I enjoyed the show A LOT. There's a lot of valid criticism, especially for Season 5 (Part 2 after the hiatus, in particular), but overall, it was a really really fun ride. I think Season 5 really suffered from the change of pace after Costner left, and they kinda had to finish the story faster and differently than it was probably intended. Some people complain about it being unrealistic, having a lot of plot holes, etc., and yes it is true, but come on, it's literally a modern western soap opera, what do you expect?... 

WARNING TO ANYONE WHO HASN'T WATCHED IT YET : MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD

First of all, my main issues/disappointments. Hands down, it's the penultimate episode of this season; thought it was by far the worst and cringiest one in the whole series. You know, where Taylor Sheridan basically decided to spend most of the episode trying to show how cool and important his own character is, and how good he is at riding horses, playing strip poker, and wooing women. Just a complete douchebag with a massive Napoleon complex  Related to that, I didn't like the very obvious product placement, resulting in some totally unnecessary scenes or even plotlines - the whole 6666 thing in particular, as it was mostly unnecessary filler material, and once again was just used to promote the upcoming show and the actual 6666 ranch that Taylor Sheridan, of course, has bought with his buddies in real life  I thought the whole Part 2 of Season 5 was rushed and not written or executed well, overall. Some of the character development went to shit, too.

So all that out of the way, I have to say that I still really loved the finale, and I liked how they wrapped it all up. Thought it was very emotional, and the outcome of almost everything was really satisfying. The ranch and the land going back to the Native Americans was not only what I predicted, but also what I was hoping for, so I am obviously very happy with it, and I loved the little monologue about the land at the very end... especially being delivered by Elsa, from beyond the grave, again, which I thought brought it all full circle. Jamie finally getting what he deserved, Beth and Kayce gaining the freedom to live their lives with their own families the way they want to, not being chained to the ranch anymore, the cowboys moving on with their lives to new, better things. The tribe getting their land back, and saving it from the greedy developers and politicians in the process, so John's wish also came true, albeit not the way he envisioned it. Very satisfying, and provided perfect closure. I think the series, with all it flaws, had a lot of soul, and it was especially visible in all those nature scenes, romantic cowboy life musings, criticism of the modern way of life, and the Native American parts. Definitely my favourite thing about it. Ending it with a Willie Nelson's My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys was kinda perfect!

This is why I wanted you to start! theres alot to cover and youve done so quite well, I pretty much completely agree accross the board.

The whole 6666 stuff with Jimmy was fine and even Sheridan's character I thought was totally fine UNTIL this season. He was a fine background character BUT THATS IT. I dont need half a fucking episode of the final 6 episodes to be about him at all and try and all of a sudden prove how important he is. Its funny cus we settled in and binged through Lioness as well recently and sure enough he has a small appearence in that show too maybe the dickbag really just cant help himself... sidebar but the first season of that show in particular was really good, I do recommend if you want something else... season 2 was ok. anyways back on topic. My first huge axe to grind was why they seemingly randomly killed off Colby. At first I was totally dumbfounded what purpose is served other then filler as the only effect it would seemingly have on the other characters doesnt fucking matter at all with you know... the SHOW ENDING. It wasted half an episode basically had no value whatsoever. But it dawned on me.. its specifically so Teeter can move over to the 6's and carry another character over in his spinoff show. FUCK OFF TAYLOR YOU FUCK. Theres 6 episodes in part B and you kill off a side character thats been there the entire time solely to set up for one of your spinoffs!!!>@?@!??!E?!@E?E@?!#3r<:

I actually really liked the first episode and how they set up the season and even quite liked going back and showing the cowboying with the heard initially for the second. The tribute for the spur maker was awesome was a great feel and thats what the show originally was about. then the Dickhead detour to jerk off all overhimself and then It finished about as well as can be expected I suppose. Because I think youre bang on. Everything they wrapped up we could see mostly coming (maybe you a little more so even ) with Beth killing off Jaimie and whatnot and Kayce and his family getting what they want, Beth and Rip moving on after everything, The land deal and the outtro with Elsa was just the extra little cherry. Man even bringing back Lainey Wilson and tieing that off with Ryan was excellent. But its just so hard to get passed the butchering in the middle, how they got to Beth killing Jamie was so lazy and stupid too with Rip once again coming in to save the day for no reason at all. Idk I wonder what going back to starting the series over from the beginning would look like sometimes.... Im interested to watch a Rip and Beth spinoff and even the 6's even as dumb as things got and as bad as both those storylines appear to be Idk If I can stop myself.  

 

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14 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

This is why I wanted you to start! theres alot to cover and youve done so quite well, I pretty much completely agree accross the board.

The whole 6666 stuff with Jimmy was fine and even Sheridan's character I thought was totally fine UNTIL this season. He was a fine background character BUT THATS IT. I dont need half a fucking episode of the final 6 episodes to be about him at all and try and all of a sudden prove how important he is. Its funny cus we settled in and binged through Lioness as well recently and sure enough he has a small appearence in that show too maybe the dickbag really just cant help himself... sidebar but the first season of that show in particular was really good, I do recommend if you want something else... season 2 was ok. anyways back on topic. My first huge axe to grind was why they seemingly randomly killed off Colby. At first I was totally dumbfounded what purpose is served other then filler as the only effect it would seemingly have on the other characters doesnt fucking matter at all with you know... the SHOW ENDING. It wasted half an episode basically had no value whatsoever. But it dawned on me.. its specifically so Teeter can move over to the 6's and carry another character over in his spinoff show. FUCK OFF TAYLOR YOU FUCK. Theres 6 episodes in part B and you kill off a side character thats been there the entire time solely to set up for one of your spinoffs!!!>@?@!??!E?!@E?E@?!#3r<:

I actually really liked the first episode and how they set up the season and even quite liked going back and showing the cowboying with the heard initially for the second. The tribute for the spur maker was awesome was a great feel and thats what the show originally was about. then the Dickhead detour to jerk off all overhimself and then It finished about as well as can be expected I suppose. Because I think youre bang on. Everything they wrapped up we could see mostly coming (maybe you a little more so even ) with Beth killing off Jaimie and whatnot and Kayce and his family getting what they want, Beth and Rip moving on after everything, The land deal and the outtro with Elsa was just the extra little cherry. Man even bringing back Lainey Wilson and tieing that off with Ryan was excellent. But its just so hard to get passed the butchering in the middle, how they got to Beth killing Jamie was so lazy and stupid too with Rip once again coming in to save the day for no reason at all. Idk I wonder what going back to starting the series over from the beginning would look like sometimes.... Im interested to watch a Rip and Beth spinoff and even the 6's even as dumb as things got and as bad as both those storylines appear to be Idk If I can stop myself.  

 

Glad you feel the same about Sheridan's ego trip, lol. And yeah, I completely forgot to mention Colby's death, that was so pointless and unnecessary, and like you said, seemingly only happened to make Teeter move on to the 6666 for the new spinoff show 

I mean, I will continue watching all these shows too, lol. That's very much a guilty pleasure at this point, but there are some good things along the bad ones, for sure!

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2 hours ago, nudge said:

Glad you feel the same about Sheridan's ego trip, lol. And yeah, I completely forgot to mention Colby's death, that was so pointless and unnecessary, and like you said, seemingly only happened to make Teeter move on to the 6666 for the new spinoff show 

I mean, I will continue watching all these shows too, lol. That's very much a guilty pleasure at this point, but there are some good things along the bad ones, for sure!

Ugh so dumb. Idk If I was more pissed off when it seemingly served no purpose or to find out in the final episode the reasoning  It did seem like they didnt know what to do with the middle episodes without Costner. I am glad that it was only 6 episodes without him in the end...apparently he was doing some heavy lifting. 

Did you ever watch Bass Reeves? I think thats next on our list, was debating that first or going back and watching Godless.. shes never seen it and I would love to rewatch that again Im thinking. 

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16 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Ugh so dumb. Idk If I was more pissed off when it seemingly served no purpose or to find out in the final episode the reasoning  It did seem like they didnt know what to do with the middle episodes without Costner. I am glad that it was only 6 episodes without him in the end...apparently he was doing some heavy lifting. 

Did you ever watch Bass Reeves? I think thats next on our list, was debating that first or going back and watching Godless.. shes never seen it and I would love to rewatch that again Im thinking. 

Yeah, an actor like Costner is always going to be key, but I have to say that Kelly Reilly and Wes Bentley both did incredible job portraying their complicated characters!!! Top notch. 

I haven't watched Bass Reeves yet... My dad watched the first few episodes, but wasn't impressed, so that kind of put me off. I will probably still watch it at some point, but my list of shows to watch is already quite expansive, so I don't think I will be doing it any time soon  

Since we're talking about Costner, have you watched the movie he made after leaving Yellowstone? Horizon, Part 1. I really loved it, it's sad it kind of went under radar.

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44 minutes ago, nudge said:

Yeah, an actor like Costner is always going to be key, but I have to say that Kelly Reilly and Wes Bentley both did incredible job portraying their complicated characters!!! Top notch.

I haven't watched Bass Reeves yet... My dad watched the first few episodes, but wasn't impressed, so that kind of put me off. I will probably still watch it at some point, but my list of shows to watch is already quite expansive, so I don't think I will be doing it any time soon  

Since we're talking about Costner, have you watched the movie he made after leaving Yellowstone? Horizon, Part 1. I really loved it, it's sad it kind of went under radar.

Absolutely. Its why ill watch their spinoff if and when it ever happens.

No i still havent. I actually looked to watch it in theatres but it wasnt out very long over here. It wasn't reviewed very kindly from what I remember but I think it was moving to one of the streaming services I have. I definitely need to check it out. Reminds me I wanted to watch the Vigo western too.

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51 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Absolutely. Its why ill watch their spinoff if and when it ever happens.

No i still havent. I actually looked to watch it in theatres but it wasnt out very long over here. It wasn't reviewed very kindly from what I remember but I think it was moving to one of the streaming services I have. I definitely need to check it out. Reminds me I wanted to watch the Vigo western too.

I think it wasn't reviewed kindly because most people these days do not have the appetite or the attention span required for movies like that - multiple storylines and subplots with a lot of characters that seem to be unrelated to each other (although I am pretty sure they will converge in the future). It is beautifully shot, the landscapes are breathtaking. The casting is spot on, the characters are great, and the storylines are all interesting, and all show a different side of things and events, with multiple perspectives and points of view. The scope is really ambitious, and it almost feels like "a slice of life" kind of movie, with all these people and their tragedies being just a tiny speck in unfolding events. Despite all that, to me it didn't feel convoluted at all; I thought it was powerful, easy to follow, and I wasn't bored for a single moment. Probably my favourite Westerns of all time. Really looking forward to Chapter 2, which seems to be getting much better reviews after the screening!

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52 minutes ago, nudge said:

I think it wasn't reviewed kindly because most people these days do not have the appetite or the attention span required for movies like that - multiple storylines and subplots with a lot of characters that seem to be unrelated to each other (although I am pretty sure they will converge in the future). It is beautifully shot, the landscapes are breathtaking. The casting is spot on, the characters are great, and the storylines are all interesting, and all show a different side of things and events, with multiple perspectives and points of view. The scope is really ambitious, and it almost feels like "a slice of life" kind of movie, with all these people and their tragedies being just a tiny speck in unfolding events. Despite all that, to me it didn't feel convoluted at all; I thought it was powerful, easy to follow, and I wasn't bored for a single moment. Probably my favourite Westerns of all time. Really looking forward to Chapter 2, which seems to be getting much better reviews after the screening!

Thats some high praise, Im sold. Thats what I want out of a Western. 

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5 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Thats some high praise, Im sold. Thats what I want out of a Western. 

Yay!  Let me know what you think once you watch it...

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On 15/11/2022 at 16:38, Bluewolf said:

I am looking forward to Beth v Beth 

 

Beautiful pair of eyes.