Marcus Rashford

[Stan]

1 hour ago, JOSHBRFC said:

Are any of us really surprised though?

About as tasteless of an article as you can get. Part of the reason why i haven't read one of their scummy articles in full for a long long time.

Not surprised in the slightest given the site it's on but still incredibly disappointing they continue to stoop so low. Sad thing also is that people will lap it up just cos they're obsessed with Daily Mail. 

[RandoEFC+]

8 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

It is worth noting that Rashford signed up with a new PR company shortly before all this, they’ve helped people like Jay-Z boost their profile and income and they’ve been heavily involved in this campaign. 

Im trying to push the cynic in me to one side but it does raise an important and interesting philosophical question about motives. Does a good outcome need to have a purely good motive to be morally respectable? Immanuel Kant would say yes, Jeremy Bentham would say no. 

Nobody would deny the good outcome of kids getting free meals but I have been disappointed in Rashford saying he doesn’t want to ‘get political’, it smacks of protecting his brand. This is an inherently political issue and ultimately the only long term solution to this is a revolution in how we structure our society and economy. 

I do believe there is no such thing as a purely selfless act. I'm someone who likes helping other people but when you get to the raw honest bare bones of the matter, I wouldn't do it if it didn't make me feel good.

I think it's the best you can hope for to have people in the world who do good things even if it is only because it makes themselves feel good. In theory, most people should be wired this way anyway. If we weren't then we wouldn't have survived as a species.

It's a terrible outlook but for my part, I'm not sorry about it, I can't help it. Hopefully Rashford at least gets a kick out of being a good lad and it's not about his brand.

[JoshBRFC+]

I genuinely believe that Rashford has used his platform to help people for personal reasons that he can relate to. And yes maybe to make himself feel good, as he’s doing a good thing. 
 

I refuse to believe that he did it for his “brand”. I’d rather see the good in people until that good in them can be proven otherwise.

[Danny]

Maybe the main reason he got the PR is because he knew how he would be treated by the media/government for stepping up and helping people? They don’t like young, wealthy black men making them look stupid

[The Artful Dodger]

I just wish more people would step into the political arena and stop pussying around refusing to directly criticise anyone. These steps are nice but they are only a short term fix, if you want to change things then you need political change and the Tories out. It's like giving to charity, it makes people feel nice but doesn't change anything fundamentally.

I'm not doubting Rashford's sincerity, he's certainly not as cynical as someone like Beckham who openly admitted he only did charity work for public recognition, but I'd like to see one of these heroes take aim at the people who have caused it and press for real change.

[Stan]

1 minute ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I just wish more people would step into the political arena and stop pussying around refusing to directly criticise anyone. These steps are nice but they are only a short term fix, if you want to change things then you need political change and the Tories out. It's like giving to charity, it makes people feel nice but doesn't change anything fundamentally.

 I think what Rashford has done/is doing is the beginning of a turning point, hopefully making people realise just how callous this government is with what they originally didn't want to do. It's especially significant given it's someone that's not in politics that has caused such a change and u-turn. I agree it's a political issue on a wider scale. Rashford might not be the one (and theoretically, shouldn't be given it's not his role/job) to ultimately change everything at the end but he's started the process off, hopefully...

[Honey Honey]

Rashford is smart in reducing how "political" he is right now. He has high levels of support, it would only risk weakening support for the immediate goal. Once you start spouting an array of different opinions, support for each opinion is impacted by everything else you said regardless of whether or not the topic is the same. As soon as you're labelled your ability to impact change reduces significantly. You're no longer an individual campaigner you're part of some group which has rivals.

If you live in a bubble you might think this is all about race. Since Rashford intervened a small group of diehard government supporters have been trying to label him a leftist. Memes, comments, criticisms etc circulating. It's a means to disable his argument by positioning him in the out group but it hasn't been working very well most likely because Rashford has kept to single issue.

The Daily Mail article is precisely about that leftist tag. It's an age old attack on those who think the poorer in society should be getting more to point out some sort of supposed wealth hypocrisy. It's a taunt because on the left are so called revolutionaries whose words suggest they want to bring down all wealth. 

Rashford's technique and tactics has been weakening the government and their ardent supporters don't like it. The worst thing he could do right now is come storming onto the scene with a red rossett on. Timing is everything.

[RandoEFC+]

3 hours ago, Steve Bruce Almighty said:

Rashford is smart in reducing how "political" he is right now. He has high levels of support, it would only risk weakening support for the immediate goal. Once you start spouting an array of different opinions, support for each opinion is impacted by everything else you said regardless of whether or not the topic is the same. As soon as you're labelled your ability to impact change reduces significantly. You're no longer an individual campaigner you're part of some group which has rivals.

If you live in a bubble you might think this is all about race. Since Rashford intervened a small group of diehard government supporters have been trying to label him a leftist. Memes, comments, criticisms etc circulating. It's a means to disable his argument by positioning him in the out group but it hasn't been working very well most likely because Rashford has kept to single issue.

The Daily Mail article is precisely about that leftist tag. It's an age old attack on those who think the poorer in society should be getting more to point out some sort of supposed wealth hypocrisy. It's a taunt because on the left are so called revolutionaries whose words suggest they want to bring down all wealth. 

Rashford's technique and tactics has been weakening the government and their ardent supporters don't like it. The worst thing he could do right now is come storming onto the scene with a red rossett on. Timing is everything.

Spot on, and it would be wise of many people who are vocally in support of Labour and the left to take a leaf from his book a bit more often. 

The "champagne socialist" tag and its close cousins have been used many times to derail positive interventions with people who actually have both good intentions and the financial firepower to make a difference. Rashford has played it well so far in my opinion.

[Danny]

He’s managed to say very little which has caused two (I think?) fairly big u-turns from the govt.