Eco Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Friday, August 13 Schalke vs Erzgebirge Aue St. Pauli vs HSV Saturday, August 14 Holstein Kiel vs Jahn Regensburg Nürnberg vs Fortuna Düsseldorf Sandhausen vs Karlsruhe Dynamo Dresden vs Hannover 96 Sunday, August 15 Werder Bremen vs Paderborn Darmstadt vs Ingolstadt Heidenheim vs Hansa Rostock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 St Pauli vs HSV! Hells to the yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 Need to bounce back with a win here. Paderborn are definitely beatable, but we'll need to convert our chances much better. Looking forward to see if we sign any new players before the weekend, too. Also, come on, Dynamo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, nudge said: Need to bounce back with a win here. Paderborn are definitely beatable, but we'll need to convert our chances much better. Looking forward to see if we sign any new players before the weekend, too. Also, come on, Dynamo. Er, no. Come on Hannover. Also, let's go Karlsruhe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 Just now, Coma said: Er, no. Come on Hannover. Also, let's go Karlsruhe! @Rab, can we get a vomiting reaction, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Coma said: Er, no. Come on Hannover. Also, let's go Karlsruhe! 3 minutes ago, nudge said: @Rab, can we get a vomiting reaction, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 10, 2021 Author Share Posted August 10, 2021 Will start being worried about Bremen if they aren't able to get any points this weekend. They have just looked really flat early on and the sooner they turn things around, the better. Is Holstein Kiel for real? I'll be interested to find out more this weekend. Can Schalke and HSV both win their matches and move further up the table? Can @Tommy Düsseldorf squad beat a decent Nürnberg team? Really hope HSV, Schalke, Dusseldorf, Darmstadt, and Bremen so that we have a happy forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, nudge said: @Rab, can we get a vomiting reaction, please? Hannover is my adopted 2. Bundesliga team. I'd appreciate a little compassion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted August 10, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Eco said: Can @Tommy Düsseldorf squad beat a decent Nürnberg team? I sure hope so. Our trajectory is looking good since the season started IMO. We will only get better the more we get used to Preußer's system and ideas. Plus we have a few injured or previously not fully fit players back in the squad. That Bremen match shouldn't have counted considering they were a completely different team than they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted August 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 11, 2021 Hamburg vs. St. Pauli: worlds apart in Germany’s second city derby - via Bundesliga.com @SchalkeUK! 9 HOURS AGO It’s almost a century since Hamburger SV and FC St. Pauli first faced each other in their current forms, on 19 October 1924. The two biggest clubs in Germany’s second most populated city behind Berlin may once again be competing in Bundesliga 2 in 2021/22, but the pair are poles apart in almost every respect – which makes the Hamburg derby such an eye-catching fixture. That being said, the rivalry didn’t really exist in the clubs' early years. Yes, they wanted to beat each other, but from the creation of Hamburger SV in 1919 out of a merger between three other clubs, they were the dominant force in the area. Prior to the creation of the Bundesliga in 1963 – of which HSV were founding members – there were more seasons where they won their league (either city or later regional) than they didn’t. The fact the first seven encounters with Pauli – themselves officially created in 1924 after splitting from athletics club Hamburg-St. Pauli Turnverein – all took place in a city league of eight teams meant that all fixtures were local derbies. And given that HSV won the first seven encounters by an aggregate score of 43-6, there was little in the way of rivalry. HSV have long been the dominant force in Hamburg and northern Germany, also winning the European Cup in 1983. - imago sportfotodienst/imago sportfotodienst Following the Second World War, Die Rothosen continued to dominate their league, but Pauli had now become a sporting challenger and, in fact, won the city league ahead of HSV in 1946/47 with a side often referred to now as a “miracle team”. They remained the closest on-pitch rivals, but Hamburg proved almost untouchable in the Oberliga Nord as they finished as champions of the regional division in all but one year from 1947 until they stepped up to the newly created national Bundesliga in 1963. In the years leading up to that, HSV had also won their third national championship, reached the semi-finals of the 1960/61 European Cup in their first participation – only losing to Barcelona in a tie-breaking third match – and won the DFB Cup for the first time as the great Uwe Seeler averaged 34 goals a season over eight years. However, HSV’s success meant that Pauli wouldn’t be able to play in the new Bundesliga as only one club per city was permitted, regardless of their own performances. Pauli would therefore remain in the second-tier Regionalliga Nord from its creation in 1963 until its conversion into Bundesliga 2 in 1974. They topped the table in four seasons but failed to make the leap up to the Bundesliga. It meant between 1963 and St. Pauli’s first top-flight promotion in 1977, there were only two derby meetings. Those came in the group stage of the inaugural DFB Ligapokal in 1972/73. HSV won 4-1 at the Millerntor before a goalless draw in the return game on their way to winning the competition. For many years, there was little competitive rivalry between Hamburg’s two biggest clubs. - imago sportfotodienst/imago sportfotodienst Pauli’s eventual arrival in the Bundesliga meant there would finally be a top-flight derby. And in fact, the promoted club won 2-0 away from home for their first victory over HSV in more than 17 years. The Rückrunde match was also played at the Volksparkstadion with Hamburg the nominal away team winning 3-2. St. Pauli had already been struggling financially when they came up to the Bundesliga, and their stay lasted only a year as they went back down in last place. A second straight relegation to the third tier followed due to those financial issues, despite finishing sixth in the league – the year HSV won their first Bundesliga title with a team featuring Rudi Kargus, Manfred Kaltz, Jimmy Hartwig, Felix Magath, Horst Hrubesch and Ballon d’Or winner Kevin Keegan. While Hamburg became one of the dominant sides in Germany and also Europe – reaching four continental finals in seven years across the late 70s and early 80s, even winning the 1982/83 European Cup – Pauli were still in the wilderness, flitting between the second and third tiers. Their goalkeeper at the time, Volker Ippig, even described the relationship between Pauli and HSV as “normal” at the start of the 80s, and the teams would contest friendly matches against each other. It was not much later that the mood began to change in Hamburg. The skull and crossbones has become just as associated with St. Pauli as their own club badge. The club is also proud of its anti-discrimination and also flies the rainbow flag outside the Millerntor. - BODE via www.imago-images.de/imago images/Hanno Bode Football terraces became rather unsavoury places in Germany in the 1980s, with right-wing extremism prevalent among hardcore ultra fan groups – and HSV was no exception. People therefore started to look elsewhere for alternatives. In Hamburg, that led them to the Millerntor in the neighbourhood of St. Pauli. The club became a haven for left-wing and alternative supporters, with one fan by the name of ‘Doc Mabuse’ bringing a skull and crossbones flag to games that quickly became synonymous with Pauli. Once displayed by pirates, fans of the port city club were positioning themselves as the poor underdog taking on the rich and powerful. In contrast to other clubs, fan groups were also vocal about political beliefs. There were active interventions against sexist or racist abuse in the stadium, with Pauli becoming the first club to include bans for such actions in its stadium regulations. It is this approach of wanting to be inclusive, different and anti-establishment, its stance on integration and combatting hate and discrimination, that has helped develop Pauli’s reputation in Germany and around the world, that has helped it constantly attract fans despite its general lack of sporting success. Recommended editorial content from Twitter At this point you will find external content from Twitter that complements the article. You can show it with a click and hide it again. Allow Twitter content I agree that external content from Twitter will be shown to me. This enables personal data to be transmitted to Twitter and cookies to be set by Twitter. You can find out more about this in Twitter's privacy statement Edit cookie settings The football scene in Germany has obviously changed a lot since the 80s, and there is no suggestion from even Pauli supporters that HSV are a right-wing club. The Hamburg derby is not in fact a political battle. As one Pauli fan told DW in 2018: “It’s rather a clash of visions as to how football should be managed.” In that respect it’s a similar rivalry to that now seen in Germany's capital with ‘big city club’ Hertha in old West Berlin, who regard themselves as a team for the whole city, being challenged by Union from the Köpenick district in East Berlin. There, too, there are social variances behind the differences. The second city derby returned to the footballing calendar in 1988 when the Kiezkicker – literally, neighbourhood footballers – made it back to the Bundesliga. However, the class division that had been nurtured among fans also extended onto the pitch as HSV remained unbeaten in all 12 games across six campaigns together up until 2002. Die Rothosen’s chant of “Six times German champions, four times cup winners, always first division, HSV!” simply served to stoke those flames of supremacy and on-field rivalry. Watch: Rüdiger Wenzel’s goal for Pauli against HSV in 1989/90 was voted one of the best in the Bundesliga’s first 50 years Pauli would again suffer back-to-back relegations as financial problems resurfaced once more. Funds were raised by selling over 100,000 T-shirts, the academy, through donations, concerts at the Millerntor and a benefit match against Bayern Munich. It all worked and they were back in the Bundesliga by 2010. That 2010/11 season was the first time since the 60s that Pauli had hosted HSV at the Millerntor, with derby matches having previously all been played at the Volksparkstadion. That game in front of nearly 24,000 ended 1-1, before the reverse fixture across the city saw Gerald Asamoah score the only goal as Pauli got their first win over HSV since 1977 and earn the ceremonial title of ‘Hamburg champions’. “Fans still thank me now. I’m asked about it everywhere,” Asamoah said years on from his famous goal. “You really realise the importance of the game.” Ultimately, it was only a consolation as Pauli went down again and the second city derby disappeared from calendars for another seven years. This time, though, it was restored in Bundesliga 2 after HSV’s status as the only ever-present club in the Bundesliga was ended with relegation. By now, Pauli had established themselves comfortably in the second division and were only pleased to welcome HSV down to their level. The first meeting at the Volksparkstadion was of course a sell-out, with Pauli’s 5,500 tickets reportedly snapped up in five minutes. The first Hamburg derby in Bundesliga 2 ended goalless – although not without a 92nd-minute lob from Pauli’s Cenk Sahin being tipped over the bar by a backpedalling Julian Pollersbeck – but the return fixture was far less tense as HSV netted four without response at the Millerntor for their first win there since 1962. HSV very much enjoyed their first win in over half a century at the Millerntor in 2019. - via www.imago-images.de/www.imago-images.de Pauli fans in the Volksparkstadion earlier in the year had been singing “We’re No.1 in the city!” – and indeed they would have a very good claim to that in 2019/20 when 2-0 wins home (their first since 1959/60) and away saw them do the double over HSV for the first time since 1953/54. Last season produced a 2-2 draw and a 1-0 Pauli home win that has definitely seen the tide around Europe’s third largest port change. The Kiezkicker have now lost only one of the last eight meetings, with that 2-2 tie the only time HSV have scored a derby goal at home since December 2001. Die Rothosen still lead the head-to-head record by some considerable margin, but there is now an on- and off-field edge to this city derby. HSV fans will say their biggest rivalry has always been against Werder Bremen in the north derby – that will be reignited in this bumper 2021/22 Bundesliga 2 season – but they are now at risk of losing out in their own backyard. We can expect great derby scenes again at the Volksparkstadion (pictured) and Millerntor when fans are allowed to fully return. - Philipp Szyza/imago/Philipp Szyza As for St. Pauli, they’ve never been worried about upsetting the apple cart. The club centred on one neighbourhood of Hamburg had again stuck it to the city’s big hitters and celebrated the defence of their city title last year. The Hamburg derby has long simmered in the background and has also missed out on the spotlight due to the absence of fans from stadiums. With spectators set to return for the Matchday 3 encounter at the Millerntor, expect to see sparks fly once against between St. Pauli and HSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 St. Pauli score and go up 1-0 on HSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 Annoying as I can't find a good link for the Schalke game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 and Schalke have scored to go up 1-0 on Erzegbirge Aue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 HSV draw level right before HT! 1-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 St. Pauli scores again! They are up 2-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 And they grab another one. 3-1 St. Pauli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 The Hamburg defense was soooo band on that and it was a rather easy goal after the turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted August 13, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Eco said: And they grab another one. 3-1 St. Pauli. This is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 minute ago, nudge said: This is beautiful. @Chadwell disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted August 13, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 13, 2021 Just now, Eco said: @Chadwell disagrees. That's even more beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted August 13, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, nudge said: This is beautiful. You're jinxing it! HSV pull one back. Only 3:2 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 @Chadwell rejoices as @nudge curses into her glass of whisky. HSV pull one back. 3-2 now to St. Pauli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted August 13, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 13, 2021 Aue equalise against Schalke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 Erzgebirge score to draw level with Schalke.. @nudge laughs while being careful to not spill her whiskey. She briefly walks into the kitchen, passing by a mirror, and catching her reflection.. 'oh shit' she murmurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 What a goof from Schalke. They should be easily be beating Aue at home, but nope, they share points. Schalke are way too friendly if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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