Paris Saint-Germain Discussion

[SirBalon]

25 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

"We've caught them peeing in the swimming pool. Neymar peed from the diving board. We can't accept this."

He didn't say that...  It's been misquoted a bit because he used a Spanish terminology on when someone's taking the "piss".

It sounds better like this and this is what he actually really did say!

By the way...  The pool is football in general, all clubs everywhere!

"We've caught PSG pissing in the pool and Neymar got on the diving board and jumped into the piss to lap it up"

[RandoEFC+]

It's a decent way to put it to be fair

[SirBalon]

PSG tell Europe's elite to stuff it

 

Meanwhile the Arab that owns PSG had this to say about UEFA investigating them...

"If some of the big clubs around Europe don't like our financial fair-play, that's not our problem"

During Kylian Mbappé's presentation today, the Arab president of Paris Saint-Germain Nasser Al-Khelaiffi said that his club were transparent and that he is sure they've maintained the rules on UEFA's Financial Fair-Play.

Up until this moment the only one to have admitted to have reported PSG to the football authorities is the LFP president Javier Tebas.  But there are rumours that Real Madrid, Arsenal, Juventus, AC Milan, Bayern Munich and Manchester United (curiously Barcelona not behind this) are also behind the pressure being put on UEFA to speed the process up because it isn't only the signing of Neymar in question, but the most important part being the financial doping clubs like PSG and Manchester City are receiving money from outside any of their registered football club sponsors and in the case of the two clubs mentioned, receiving money from a governmental state.

 

 

[Honey Honey]

16 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

He didn't say that...  It's been misquoted a bit because he used a Spanish terminology on when someone's taking the "piss".

It sounds better like this and this is what he actually really did say!

By the way...  The pool is football in general, all clubs everywhere!

"We've caught PSG pissing in the pool and Neymar got on the diving board and jumped into the piss to lap it up"

sick, what's wrong with Span 

[SirBalon]

Just now, HoneyNUFC said:

sick, what's wrong with Span 

It's a colloquial saying, something you'd say to your mate. 

That's why in Spanish commentary you even hear swearing at times when they get over passionate.  In Spain people aren't so politically correct with language.

[SirBalon]

[SirBalon]

52 minutes ago, Teso dos Bichos said:

uefa are a fucking joke.. they need to investigate the neymar transfet alright from santos to Barcelona. the final amount Barcelona paid still remains unknown. hypocrite cules 

The final amount is now known and it has nothing whatsoever to do with UEFA and it has everything to do with the tax offices of both Spain and Brazil... The only reason the final amount was important to be known was for the Barcelona fans that are paying members... The financial ins and outs have to be published by the club and they lied about that which is why one Barça fan was the one who took the board to court.

[SirBalon]

Apparently Manchester City are threatening the president of the LFP (Javier Tebas) with legal action after he added their name to the situation surrounding PSG on financial doping.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/premier-league/20170906/431096314772/el-manchester-city-amenaza-a-tebas-con-emprender-acciones-legales.html

[6666]

It is hilarious how the president of La Liga is hurt because Barcelona lost a big name player. Is this the same clown as the one who was on holiday on the final day of the season when Atletico Madrid won the league and no one else was allowed to hand them the trophy? A man with his head up his own ass.

[SirBalon]

9 minutes ago, 6666 said:

Is this the same clown as the one who was on holiday on the final day of the season when Atletico Madrid won the league and no one else was allowed to hand them the trophy? A man with his head up his own ass.

No, that was the president of the Spanish Football Federation (RFEF), Ángel María Villar.

It's not that Neymar was taken from Barcelona why he's acting like that.  It's because it threatens the big two with financial doping...  I said at the time when the Neymar buy-out clause was activated that it would change the face of football forever if it wasn't acted upon.  If nothing is done, every club will search for funding outside of their registered club sponsors from wherever.  In this case it's even dodgier with "allegedly" money coming from a governmental state (that's even ignoring the state it is and everything about it).

[SirBalon]

8 minutes ago, Teso dos Bichos said:

Do your research man! What's that supposed to mean?

They were a sponsor for the club (an unwanted one by its members I might add) and totally legitimate.

Why don't you think before posting?

[SirBalon]

11 hours ago, Teso dos Bichos said:

Despite being one of the largest football clubs on the planet, Barcelona were compelled to ignore calls from within their own fan base to cut ties with Gulf state Qatar, which included a petition signed by over 60,000 people, and sign a one-year extension to their Qatar Airways shirt sponsorship deal earlier this month after struggling to find a new partner.

You'd think a club like Barcelona could be more picky. But money speaks. The membership may not be entirely comfortable sporting Qatar on their shirts, but then they also appreciate being able to afford the mega salaries belonging to Neymar, Lionel Messi and Luis Suarez. You can’t have guns and butter.

Barcelona may be Spanish champions but when president Josep Bartomeu claims there are a multitude of huge brands all lining up to work with them and that they can sell shirt sponsorship for the same £47m-per-year Manchester United receive from Chevrolet, I’m not so sure it stacks up.

When you’re a big British club like United, the sheer scale of broadcast distribution in the Premier League provides the eyeballs and classic return on investment (ROI) work required from a shirt sponsorship.

 

Read more: Background - Why some Barclona fans are unhappy with the Qatar Airways association

A big brand asking ‘do I sponsor Barcelona and divert that from my traditional media spend in individual markets around the world?’ will conclude that Barcelona’s value caps out at a certain level when the team are more often than not playing their games at 21.00 or 22.00 at night. And that basically turns off Asia. As football crazy as they are, it’s just not going to compete with Premier League games going out at 1.30pm, 3.00pm GMT. That’s what does the numbers.

Barcelona might have had a million brands lining up to have the conversation, but when those brands have got their team to crunch the numbers internally, it just doesn’t work.

Unless you’re massively targeting the Middle East where the time zone kind of fits for Spanish football then it can work. But you can’t amortise it across the globe.

Money does talk but you can't blame fans for what they think whether right or wrong.  There are a multitude of companies all over the world where you can get money from and these days football clubs have dozens of companies buying into the club brand so that their name is associated with them in various fashions from shirt sponsors, training shirt sponsors, stadium name sponsors, the advertising boards on match days at the stadium etc... etc...

Take for example FC Barcelona having Italian casual fashion company as one of their main sponsors for two years now in the shape of ReplayJeans owned by Fashion Box SPA Italy.  They have become one of the main faces of FC Barcelona in recent times and haven't even needed to put the name on the club shirts.  I've used this because this is natural sponsorship and the reasons why the FC Barcelona members were so anti association with everything Qatar (first Qatar Foundation and then Qatar Airways which are both the same thing practically) was due to everything surrounding the Gulf State of Qatar and all of the surrounding nations...  The members won in the end and this year starts a new partnership with Japanese company Rakuten.

I remember a decent sized movement at Arsenal when the Ashburton Grove site that became the area where the new stadium was built had the name The Emirates given to it.  The movement was totally ignored and not even listened to because Arsenal aren't a fan controlled club and Arsenal were completely within their rights to do this.

But has anyone ever heard movements where fans have been against the money coming in from dodgy sources and not even legitimate companies but instead a method of legitimising states?  I'm talking about PSG and Manchester City...  No, because they're not traditional big clubs and the desire by the fans of being up there gives us the "Faust Syndrome".

Even then on what I've just said in that previous paragraph, that's ok because it's legitimate!  What ISN'T legitimate is where you're having your bank accounts inflated by a governmental state (lets forget they're dodgy states) and not a registered sponsor because governments aren't permitted as sponsors in football.  This is the argument here and all of the clubs around Europe sponsored by companies from the Gulf like, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Manchester City, PSG, AC Milan etc... etc... all have legitimate sponsorships and the only argument that can be used with them is an ethical one and nothing more like the Barcelona members did with their Qatar association until it was ended through pressure.

This is why I took you up on that picture you just threw up with Barça and Arabs.  One thing has nothing to do with what's being investigated with Paris Saint-Germain.

PSG aren't one of the big money makers in football and yet they are now the official biggest spenders where there is not only the question on where the money comes from but also their spending compared to their earnings...  All of those things related to breaking the FFP rules.

[Happy Blue]

On 9/2/2017 at 11:22 AM, SirBalon said:

 Manchester City are also involved...  

Wrong!! ..we are now in the top 5 money making clubs in the world and Fifa said a few days ago said they don't have any grounds to investigate us   ..the Spanish clubs are the ones Fifa should be looking into

 Spanish government found guilty of providing state aid to Real Madrid, Barcelona 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1386832/spainish-government-found-guilty-of-providing-state-aid-to-real-madrid-barcelona-and-five-other-football-clubs/

[SirBalon]

3 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

Wrong!! ..we are now in the top 5 money making clubs in the world and Fifa said a few days ago said they don't have any grounds to investigate us   ..the Spanish clubs are the ones Fifa should be looking into

 Spanish government found guilty of providing state aid to Real Madrid, Barcelona 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1386832/spainish-government-found-guilty-of-providing-state-aid-to-real-madrid-barcelona-and-five-other-football-clubs/

I don't know why you've decided to bring out something that has practically nothing to do with the case in hand...  This is nowhere near what's being disputed here and you actually posted this stuff over a year ago and it was debated.  But seeing as you're worried about land being messed around with in Spain, then I can inform you that all those clubs mentioned in that article are going through the courts.  Real Madrid have already paid what they owed plus the fine of the local council of Madrid having given ease on their training ground land.

This is a case of local corruption!  Nothing whatsoever to do with what we're talking about here.

[Happy Blue]

1 minute ago, SirBalon said:

I don't know why you've decided to bring out something that has practically nothing to do with the case in hand...  This is nowhere near what's being disputed here and you actually posted this stuff over a year ago and it was debated.  But seeing as you're worried about land being messed around with in Spain, then I can inform you that all those clubs mentioned in that article are going through the courts.  Real Madrid have already paid what they owed plus the fine of the local council of Madrid having given ease on their training ground land.

This is a case of local corruption!  Nothing whatsoever to do with what we're talking about here.

I agree, Barcalona and Madrid should get a 5 year ban from the CL, these 2 state funded teams are ruining the game with illegal money! 

[SirBalon]

hahaha

Where's the eagle gone mate?

[bozziovai]

21 hours ago, Teso dos Bichos said:

MONEY TALKS!

 

this time around it's OIL TALKING  

[bozziovai]

9 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

Wrong!! ..we are now in the top 5 money making clubs in the world and Fifa said a few days ago said they don't have any grounds to investigate us   ..the Spanish clubs are the ones Fifa should be looking into

 Spanish government found guilty of providing state aid to Real Madrid, Barcelona 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1386832/spainish-government-found-guilty-of-providing-state-aid-to-real-madrid-barcelona-and-five-other-football-clubs/

sorry man but this is way different from the state-funded PSG.     In PSG's case,  it is alleged that the State of Qatar or the money of the state of Qatar is being used to finance the football club. 

that story you posted is merely the government of spain giving favors to barcelona and madrid.    the spanish treasury isn't directly involved in funding those clubs.

[Honey Honey]

Qatar isn't in the EU, it isn't the government of France, it has no obligations to impartiality and the money (unless someone knows otherwise) is from a sovereign wealth fund. Not printed by a central bank or raised via taxes.

A similar comparison is when the Norwegian government buys up a tonne of shares in a foreign company giving them liquidity advantages in the market. They've build up a portfolio of hundreds of BILLIONS in investments over the last 25 years, likewise Qatar, but now that their investment is a threat to Barcelona's hegemony all of a sudden it is a state aid problem?

 

[SirBalon]

12 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Qatar isn't in the EU, it isn't the government of France, it has no obligations to impartiality and the money (unless someone knows otherwise) is from a sovereign wealth fund. Not printed by a central bank or raised via taxes.

A similar comparison is when the Norwegian government buys up a tonne of shares in a foreign company giving them liquidity advantages in the market. They've build up a portfolio of hundreds of BILLIONS in investments over the last 25 years, likewise Qatar, but now that their investment is a threat to Barcelona's hegemony all of a sudden it is a state aid problem?

 

The issue is you're not allowed money in from an un registered sponsored source. 

[Honey Honey]

2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

The issue is you're not allowed money in from an un registered sponsored source. 

They have the best lawyers money can buy. I'm sure they'll come up with something.

[SirBalon]

3 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

They have the best lawyers money can buy. I'm sure they'll come up with something.

But all top clubs can afford the best law people money can buy mate.  I remember when Barcelona got suspended from signing for that breaching of the FIFA rules on signing young players.  They got a bunch of lawyers from god knows where and the best they could do was get a suspended sentence for one window so as to serve it the following two as they were punished in the first place for.

If they've broken the rules it will all be about what the punishment is by UEFA.  We must all remember that even though we're not talking about an elite club here, they are at this moment in time a big name with big players and that brings attraction to UEFA's premier competition.  It will be interesting to see what happens if culpable at all because nothing has been proven yet.

[Honey Honey]

9 hours ago, SirBalon said:

But all top clubs can afford the best law people money can buy mate.  I remember when Barcelona got suspended from signing for that breaching of the FIFA rules on signing young players.  They got a bunch of lawyers from god knows where and the best they could do was get a suspended sentence for one window so as to serve it the following two as they were punished in the first place for.

If they've broken the rules it will all be about what the punishment is by UEFA.  We must all remember that even though we're not talking about an elite club here, they are at this moment in time a big name with big players and that brings attraction to UEFA's premier competition.  It will be interesting to see what happens if culpable at all because nothing has been proven yet.

The lawyers achieve punishments that are nothing though. They barely effect the club. It still dominates it still competes. Barcelona should have faced a domestic points deduction or a lengthy ban from European competitions if the authorities were serious about stopping it. A transfer window or two won't bother anyone.

[SirBalon]

1 hour ago, HoneyNUFC said:

The lawyers achieve punishments that are nothing though. They barely effect the club. It still dominates it still competes. Barcelona should have faced a domestic points deduction or a lengthy ban from European competitions if the authorities were serious about stopping it. A transfer window or two won't bother anyone.

I agree. Punishments should be befitting the crime as they are in every walk of life. 

[SirBalon]

President of UEFA Aleksander Ceferin today; "I know I'm going to have to exclude PSG from European Competition"

UEFA this morning have denied that this is going to happen until the investigation is throughly scrutinised, but they did add that any inkling of the breaching of any rule will be severely punished.