Everton Discussion

[RandoEFC+]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Re: the bit in bold, doesn't it seem like part of what spurred Everton going up several gears last season was the reaction to the bullshit points deductions?

It probably contributed a small bit but it doesn't make them different players. Those same players out there now beat Newcastle, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham, Bournemouth, Forest twice, Brentford twice last season. It's the manager's job to get that performance level out of them again.

He has all the hallmarks now of a dead man walking. He'll be gone at Christmas and he knows it yet he's left in charge of the team until the takeover is complete. It's simply incredible for a Premier League club and to be honest, the Friedkins unwillingness to cut a deal with Moshiri to fund his severance package and stem the bleeding is an early test that they've failed. They better have a serious plan that's ready to go to make up for it and start fixing this mess.

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

It probably contributed a small bit but it doesn't make them different players. Those same players out there now beat Newcastle, Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham, Bournemouth, Forest twice, Brentford twice last season. It's the manager's job to get that performance level out of them again.

He has all the hallmarks now of a dead man walking. He'll be gone at Christmas and he knows it yet he's left in charge of the team until the takeover is complete. It's simply incredible for a Premier League club and to be honest, the Friedkins unwillingness to cut a deal with Moshiri to fund his severance package and stem the bleeding is an early test that they've failed. They better have a serious plan that's ready to go to make up for it and start fixing this mess.

 Yeah, I think generally though if what I'm saying is true it really does just prove your point. Because it's the manager's job to get that performance level... and he can only do it when things look really really dire for this squad.

I generally don't know too much about Friedkin other than at Roma his reception is pretty mixed. Since he bought Roma, they've made some really rash decisions in terms of hiring managers and sacking managers - some of their fans love this, others don't.

I think Everton'll bring Moyes back and he'll probably do really well with them.

[RandoEFC+]

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 Yeah, I think generally though if what I'm saying is true it really does just prove your point. Because it's the manager's job to get that performance level... and he can only do it when things look really really dire for this squad.

I generally don't know too much about Friedkin other than at Roma his reception is pretty mixed. Since he bought Roma, they've made some really rash decisions in terms of hiring managers and sacking managers - some of their fans love this, others don't.

I think Everton'll bring Moyes back and he'll probably do really well with them.

I don't think they'll go for him but Moyes is the ideal appointment I think. He keeps us up this season, probably progresses us to 14th-11th for the next 2 years and then you go for a fancy manager.

We'll see ..

[LFCMike]

 

[RandoEFC+]

Wow it's almost as if the stadium isn't finished yet .

[Dr. Gonzo]

8 hours ago, LFCMike said:

 

 

6 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Wow it's almost as if the stadium isn't finished yet .

Yeah this looks a lot worse than it is. Everton's new stadium is actually going to be using a very impressive (and commendable) water collection system; it will allow rain water to be collected and reused for the stadium itself (irrigation for the pitch, water for the toilets, etc.) - the stadium isn't finished and the drainage system that's going to allow this to work isn't fully installed. Storm Darragh battered Merseyside prior to the drainage system being in effect - so rather than the water being collected as intended... it isn't being collected.

I'm all for shitting on Everton, and it's not particularly hard to shit on Everton most of the time... but this isn't one of those moments. They're actually doing something very environmentally friendly with their new stadium that I think other stadiums in the future in the UK should be implementing - it's not their fault a massive storm came in while the stadium's still under construction.

That's just the weather and the nature of storms having an impact on construction sites that aren't finished.

[LFCMike]

Fucking hell lads, I only posted something from elsewhere, wasn't taking the piss or anything. 

Anyway, I've heard Everton have released ticket prices for next season, £45 in the shallow and £55 in the deep end 

[RandoEFC+]

Looks like we're waiting until early next week for the takeover to be confirmed now.

Laing O'Rourke are due to hand over the keys to Bramley Moore next Friday as well if I remember the date correctly.

Come the New Year, Everton's potential is probably going to be at its greatest point in my whole lifetime with the opportunities represented by a fresh ownership and the new stadium. People have been arguing on social media that, for all the madness, Moshiri is ultimately leaving Everton better off than we were when he came in and you can't actually argue.

The bit you want to forget about is the undeniable fact that there's a humungous amount of work ahead for the new owners before we can even begin to think about realising the potential offered to us by the new stadium and owners who can actually get the club operating on a stable financial footing.

[RandoEFC+]

 

[MUFC]

Takeover.

[RandoEFC+]

Halle. Fucking. Lujah.

[MUFC]

Just now, RandoEFC said:

Halle. Fucking. Lujah.

Should be money to spend. You'll be able to take Antony and Lindelof from us.

[Dave]

Interesting times ahead for The Friedkin group.

Roma fans will still expect to be the priority club with there history, but the reality is the initial priority needs to be keeping Everton in the Premier League. The transfer window opens in less than two weeks and they need to make quick decisions on what to do with several people in prominent positions.

I sympathise for them a lot more than the people that cover Italian football do with how Roma has been handled over the last year. They had a plan this summer that was thrown out the window overnight when Dybala (or maybe it's was his wife) decided he loved Roma and wanted to stay on his new monster wage. Given they had already signed players to play in a 4-3-3 system, including a Dybala replacement, and now they had to accommodate a superstar who can only play in a two up top and get rid of several players to cover his wages. I'm not sure it would have been fair to expect them to challenge for top five.

At the same time they're not completely absolved of blame. The decision to sack De Rossi and bring in a manager whose philosophy was completely the opposite of what Roma needed was weird. They also seemingly appointed the wrong people in positions of power who have now resigned. The story of the councillor who was hired and then resigned after less than a month sounds very, well, Everton. At the same time, they do deserve some credit for the short term appointment of Ranieri whose practically calmed the place and has turned out to be the unofficial councillor they needed.

I think it's in there best interests to sell Roma now. They've been trying to appeal to get Saudi interest for some time and the fans are not going to tolerate being second fiddle, even if it's only for six months, given how fractured the relationship already is.

They'll get the 'at least it's not Moshiri' pass this season as long as they're not relegated. It may not be until September when we can fully judge them as owners of a Premier League club. Everton fans are realistic about the position they're in, but if they struggle in the next two transfer markets and people in powerful positions come and go. That comfort period could come to an abrupt end.

[RandoEFC+]

@Dave I think there were already rumours a few months ago when this purchase was looking like a done deal, that it wouldn't be long before they then relinquished control of Roma. Despite some success, I don't think they've found Roma or Italian football a good fit.

By the sounds of it, they've done their due diligence, they've got board members ready to go and already in place. I don't expect that we'll see much happen in the transfer market in January but the summer will be big. We have 12 outfield players out of contract beyond this season. We'll see what happens with Gueye, Doucoure, Young, Calvert-Lewin, Coleman and others who are all out of contract this summer. With how much work there is to do on the squad, I expect we'll see a couple of one-year given out to some of these.

I don't expect to see them remove the manager until his contract expires in the summer either, unless it looks like we'll be relegated if they don't make a change. There's almost no chance Dyche will be the manager at the start of next season though.

A few people have expressed concern on our behalf about how things have gone for Roma this season. I don't really read into it personal. It's not a "good" sign, but people need to remember what came before the Friedkins at Everton. The last 8 years have seen us get through managers on a yearly basis and sink from a club that was 3-4 games away from Champions League qualification in Martinez' first season to one that's been as little as one draw away from being in the Championship. We had two points deductions last season because of how we've been run, the stadium was funded in risky fashion and while you could call it unlucky that Usmanov's funding was pulled due to geopolitical events, it still wasn't a professional way to fund a capital project costing hundreds of millions of pounds. The club was days away from administration at points last season where, after everything else he'd done wrong, Moshiri opted for the 777 cowboys as the best people to try and give the stewardship of Everton too.

But, somehow, we've survived it all. Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri have driven Everton from a giant of English football, to a pretty respectable also-ran, and finally to a basket-case club that has been actively avoided by reputable managers, agents and players in recent years. As long as the Friedkins just do a sensible job, we should be able to get back to a comfortable mid-table position pretty quickly. The club should now be transformed financially with the debts cleared or re-structured by the end of the season as the costs of completing the stadium are replaced by the increased revenue and sponsorship deals that come with moving into it.

They need to spend the next few months getting serious people in key roles behind the scenes. Survive the relegation scrap this season, do some decent business with the playing squad in the summer and it should be onwards and upwards. All I want really is to see this club do more than cling on for dear life during wave after wave of adversity and make a bit of progress in the right direction. I want to feel proud of the club again like I did when I was growing up, even if we weren't winning trophies we certainly weren't the absolute laughing stock we've been for the last decade. I don't think the majority of Everton fans expect much more than that but if any think that we'll be winning trophies or qualifying for Europe within 3 years then they'll be disappointed.

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

@Dave I think there were already rumours a few months ago when this purchase was looking like a done deal, that it wouldn't be long before they then relinquished control of Roma. Despite some success, I don't think they've found Roma or Italian football a good fit.

By the sounds of it, they've done their due diligence, they've got board members ready to go and already in place. I don't expect that we'll see much happen in the transfer market in January but the summer will be big. We have 12 outfield players out of contract beyond this season. We'll see what happens with Gueye, Doucoure, Young, Calvert-Lewin, Coleman and others who are all out of contract this summer. With how much work there is to do on the squad, I expect we'll see a couple of one-year given out to some of these.

I don't expect to see them remove the manager until his contract expires in the summer either, unless it looks like we'll be relegated if they don't make a change. There's almost no chance Dyche will be the manager at the start of next season though.

A few people have expressed concern on our behalf about how things have gone for Roma this season. I don't really read into it personal. It's not a "good" sign, but people need to remember what came before the Friedkins at Everton. The last 8 years have seen us get through managers on a yearly basis and sink from a club that was 3-4 games away from Champions League qualification in Martinez' first season to one that's been as little as one draw away from being in the Championship. We had two points deductions last season because of how we've been run, the stadium was funded in risky fashion and while you could call it unlucky that Usmanov's funding was pulled due to geopolitical events, it still wasn't a professional way to fund a capital project costing hundreds of millions of pounds. The club was days away from administration at points last season where, after everything else he'd done wrong, Moshiri opted for the 777 cowboys as the best people to try and give the stewardship of Everton too.

But, somehow, we've survived it all. Bill Kenwright and Farhad Moshiri have driven Everton from a giant of English football, to a pretty respectable also-ran, and finally to a basket-case club that has been actively avoided by reputable managers, agents and players in recent years. As long as the Friedkins just do a sensible job, we should be able to get back to a comfortable mid-table position pretty quickly. The club should now be transformed financially with the debts cleared or re-structured by the end of the season as the costs of completing the stadium are replaced by the increased revenue and sponsorship deals that come with moving into it.

They need to spend the next few months getting serious people in key roles behind the scenes. Survive the relegation scrap this season, do some decent business with the playing squad in the summer and it should be onwards and upwards. All I want really is to see this club do more than cling on for dear life during wave after wave of adversity and make a bit of progress in the right direction. I want to feel proud of the club again like I did when I was growing up, even if we weren't winning trophies we certainly weren't the absolute laughing stock we've been for the last decade. I don't think the majority of Everton fans expect much more than that but if any think that we'll be winning trophies or qualifying for Europe within 3 years then they'll be disappointed.

They also came into a Roma that had been put into a financial hole by Monchi's very terrible transfers (some of which are still dragging Roma down financially because Monchi had signed some bang average players to absolutely insane contracts) - while I think part of their problems at Roma have been due to them not really knowing a whole lot about football or running a football club, they've also done some things that Roma fans like & they've also had their hands tied by some of those dealings before they'd bought the club.

They've got a sort of mixed reputation among Roma fans. I know a couple of diehard Roma fans in Rome irl and one of them absolutely hates them the other thinks they're not so bad given the circumstances they found themselves in... although has questioned their decision making. The truth is probably they're somewhere in the middle of those two views. For as unhappy as many Roma fans are... they did win that silly new European trophy pretty recently - which means even Roma fans unhappy with the state of their club have seen more joy in recent years than most Everton fans have for the entirety of my life.

And realistically speaking, their struggles as owners of Roma are probably a really good learning experience for them as they try to build Everton up from the pits that Moshiri & Kenwright have pulled one of English footballs biggest clubs into. For as bad as the Friedkin group can potentially be, I think it'd be a far cry from what Moshiri's tenure as Everton owner would mean for the club.

[Dave]

20 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

And realistically speaking, their struggles as owners of Roma are probably a really good learning experience for them

This is the big thing for me. They're unique in the sense they're a family. They're not a hedge fund that have the immediate contracts to take on a role and make a profit. There was always going to be growing pains. As long as they learn who cares.

[Dr. Gonzo]

17 minutes ago, Dave said:

This is the big thing for me. They're unique in the sense they're a family. They're not a hedge fund that have the immediate contracts to take on a role and make a profit. There was always going to be growing pains. As long as they learn who cares.

I mean, they’re still an investment capital company… just one run by a family. I wouldn’t say they’re just philanthropic billionaires pursuing purely passion projects - good ROI will always be the end goal for them.

[RandoEFC+]

I'm glad ultimately that we've avoided state ownership, any links to nasty regimes, and the most cynical versions of a multi club ownership model. Okay they own Roma but we'll see if that lasts... at least it's not the 777/City group nonsense where they own 12 clubs across the world and use them to skirt the financial rules.

Couldn't really ask for much better to be honest.

The new stadium has officially been handed over to the club today as well.