Christchurch Massacre

[Inverted]

18 minutes ago, Azeem said:

You would be surprised that its a common belief among ' educated ' people anywhere Muslims form a sizable minority. That they will change the demographs etc  and its not just hate preachers its backed by the media and to some extent by states as well.  

And if you look at polling, populations of countries with Muslim minorities universally overestimate the size of those populations. I think a few years ago there was a poll where people in France, with a 6% Muslim population, thought the Muslim population was over 30%. The same thing happened in every other Western country to a lesser degree.

The media is complicit because ultimately there's far more money to be made by pandering to paranoia than in correcting it.

[Spike]

5 hours ago, Inverted said:

And if you look at polling, populations of countries with Muslim minorities universally overestimate the size of those populations. I think a few years ago there was a poll where people in France, with a 6% Muslim population, thought the Muslim population was over 30%. The same thing happened in every other Western country to a lesser degree.

The media is complicit because ultimately there's far more money to be made by pandering to paranoia than in correcting it.

On a similar note, being a foreigner to America but consuming much American media growing up in Australia, I thought that Jews (under 2%) and Blacks (under 13%) had much larger populations. It just goes to show how easily these sort of abstractions can be twisted.

[Fairy In Boots]

25 minutes ago, Spike said:

On a similar note, being a foreigner to America but consuming much American media growing up in Australia, I thought that Jews (under 2%) and Blacks (under 13%) had much larger populations. It just goes to show how easily these sort of abstractions can be twisted.

 

5 hours ago, Inverted said:

And if you look at polling, populations of countries with Muslim minorities universally overestimate the size of those populations. I think a few years ago there was a poll where people in France, with a 6% Muslim population, thought the Muslim population was over 30%. The same thing happened in every other Western country to a lesser degree.

The media is complicit because ultimately there's far more money to be made by pandering to paranoia than in correcting it.

You’re both not factoring in the fact that cities or urban centres dominate culture and are much more likely to be ethnically diverse. 

Polls are frequently done in cities also

[Inverted]

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/20/newspapers-help-radicalise-far-right-uk-anti-terror-chief-neil-basu?__twitter_impression=true

The UK's anti-terrorism chief has come out saying that mainstream media has played a significant role in radicalising white terrorists. 

[Cicero]

Violent people do violent things. 

[Inverted]

3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Violent people do violent things. 

Thankfully, everyone whose job it is to actually research and tackle crime does not share that opinion.

[Cicero]

21 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Thankfully, everyone whose job it is to actually research and tackle crime does not share that opinion.

Yet those people will indefinitely come to the same conclusion. Being a violent person increases the likelihood you'll do violent things. 

[Inverted]

8 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Yet those people will indefinitely come to the same conclusion. Being a violent person increases the likelihood you'll do violent things. 

That's just circular reasoning. People are only violent when they do violent stuff. 

Up until they do something they're just potentially violent, and there's a lot of stuff that can be done to stop them becoming violent. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

On ‎18‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 10:12, Fairy In Boots said:

 

You’re both not factoring in the fact that cities or urban centres dominate culture and are much more likely to be ethnically diverse. 

Polls are frequently done in cities also

81% of people in the UK live in cities/urban centres, so it makes sense that there are more polls done in those areas than rural areas

[Cicero]

Just now, Inverted said:

That's just circular reasoning. People are only violent when they do violent stuff. 

Up until they do something they're just potentially violent, and there's a lot of stuff that can be done to stop them becoming violent. 

So then based on that logic, we should ban everything that 'potentially' triggers an individual to act? Where do we stop? Columbine massacre shooters listened to Marilyn Manson and many concluded it was down to the violent influences of his music. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 minutes ago, Cicero said:

So then based on that logic, we should ban everything that 'potentially' triggers an individual to act? Where do we stop? Columbine massacre shooters listened to Marilyn Manson and many concluded it was down to the violent influences of his music. 

 

I think asking the media to be more responsible with its coverage, rather than just going for what will generate the most viewership/readership/clicks for the ad revenue, isn't really banning anything that potentially triggers anything. It's just asking for more ethical and responsible coverage from the mainstream media.

One positive step would be stop naming the perpetrators of these shit acts. They don't need 15 minutes of fame, to inspire other people with mental problems to go do fucked up things.

[Azeem]

There were over 500 articles written in 2017 by mainstream medis which linked terror with Muslims making them the boggey man that they are out to get you. That's just 2017 heavy money is invested in the islamophobe industry so one incident is not going to change anything.