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2 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

@Dr. Gonzo This will give some idea of where i am with the amp sound, recorded raw with my phone in front of the cab to try capture the in room sound, you will need good headphones or speakers to pick up the low end, fair bit of clipping so if i miss any notes it's probably just the sound clipping in and out :15_yum::4_joy:  ..you might need the password MH 

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80n737

The most brutal rendition of Crazy Train I’ve ever heard

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18 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The most brutal rendition of Crazy Train I’ve ever heard

Too much low end? :35_thinking:  ..think that vintage 30 would brighten it up a bit

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1 minute ago, Happy Blue said:

Too much low end? :35_thinking:  ..think that vintage 30 would brighten it up a bit

I didn’t think it was too much. But if you think so, I’d probably tweak the bass/resonance/presence knobs a bit to see if you can tame it a bit while keeping it as heavy as you like. Also the tone knob on your OD pedal. I’d mess around with those before changing a speaker. Fucking around with the resonance can usually tighten up the bass quite a bit.

Unless you’ve got money burning your hole in your pocket and you want to get another speaker xD - like we said, that 2x12 with both was pretty fucking cool sounding

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11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I didn’t think it was too much. But if you think so, I’d probably tweak the bass/resonance/presence knobs a bit to see if you can tame it a bit while keeping it as heavy as you like. Also the tone knob on your OD pedal. I’d mess around with those before changing a speaker. Fucking around with the resonance can usually tighten up the bass quite a bit.

Unless you’ve got money burning your hole in your pocket and you want to get another speaker xD - like we said, that 2x12 with both was pretty fucking cool sounding

The bass sounded ok to me, came across a little muffled on the recording, like we said think a combo of mine with the V30 would sound better, i will mess around with the pedal some more, that was the Jackson high output pickups too, they duller sounding than the EMG's but chugg better  ..nope, not got money to burn, blew that on my new Audi that's due to land in May :4_joy:

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3 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

The bass sounded ok to me, came across a little muffled on the recording, like we said think a combo of mine with the V30 would sound better, i will mess around with the pedal some more, that was the Jackson high output pickups too, they duller sounding than the EMG's but chugg better  ..nope, not got money to burn, blew that on my new Audi that's due to land in May :4_joy:

It’s always hard to record straight from the phone though, so getting it to sound just like it does in the room’s a big ask. I wasn’t overpowered with bass, so I think it sounded pretty good for a phone recording

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It’s always hard to record straight from the phone though, so getting it to sound just like it does in the room’s a big ask. I wasn’t overpowered with bass, so I think it sounded pretty good for a phone recording

I think it captured the tone rather well, how does the Katana mk2 brown sound compare to that?

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5 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

I think it captured the tone rather well, how does the Katana mk2 brown sound compare to that?

Idk about the mk2 specifically, but imo the channel voices on YouTube don’t sound much different from the mk1...

... and I think the tones you’ve recorded are MUCH better than the Katana’s brown sound. I don’t think the Katana does a bad job of making good high gain tones... I just think the 6505 is so much fucking better at it

The Katana series is brilliant for what it is. Versatile as fuck and affordable. But I think if you’ve got a specific tone profile you’re chasing, an amp that excels in those tones is always going to sound better than an amp meant to be able to be genreless and usable by everyone. And I think it’s so cool they’re useful as gigging amps and as practice amps and can have a middle ground in a mode that’s probably meant for studios... but we’ve got the same thing with the 1W, 5W 20W settings imo.

If I didn’t have a modeler, I’d probably have kept my Katana. But I think there’s a reason I had to keep chasing an actual amp with the 6505 sound before finally heading back to a smaller 6505.

I will say, I thought the effects built into the software of the Katana were top notch. But I didn’t have a foot switch and I like to be able to keep playing while I switch effects on/off (and I didn’t have the Boss footswitch), so I didn’t get to experience the coolness fully

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24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Idk about the mk2 specifically, but imo the channel voices on YouTube don’t sound much different from the mk1...

... and I think the tones you’ve recorded are MUCH better than the Katana’s brown sound. I don’t think the Katana does a bad job of making good high gain tones... I just think the 6505 is so much fucking better at it

The Katana series is brilliant for what it is. Versatile as fuck and affordable. But I think if you’ve got a specific tone profile you’re chasing, an amp that excels in those tones is always going to sound better than an amp meant to be able to be genreless and usable by everyone. And I think it’s so cool they’re useful as gigging amps and as practice amps and can have a middle ground in a mode that’s probably meant for studios... but we’ve got the same thing with the 1W, 5W 20W settings imo.

If I didn’t have a modeler, I’d probably have kept my Katana. But I think there’s a reason I had to keep chasing an actual amp with the 6505 sound before finally heading back to a smaller 6505.

I will say, I thought the effects built into the software of the Katana were top notch. But I didn’t have a foot switch and I like to be able to keep playing while I switch effects on/off (and I didn’t have the Boss footswitch), so I didn’t get to experience the coolness fully

Well i'm glad i asked you who has owned both amps before wasting £300 on the head :4_joy:  ..think i've just become tone def to the 6505 playing it so long but now i can sit and compare my recording to other videos, it's fucking brutal isn't it! :4_joy: that's on the 1 watt setting too with the sound low, the head and cab cost me around £500 2nd hand, think i would struggle to buy another rig for that price range that would be that brutal  .. my phone struggled on the trem picking but picked up the chugging well but slightly muffled, will have to learn how to record properly lol

I was looking at the orange dark terror too :35_thinking:  ..the Victory Kracken sounds good but twice the price of our MH

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1 hour ago, Happy Blue said:

Well i'm glad i asked you who has owned both amps before wasting £300 on the head :4_joy:  ..think i've just become tone def to the 6505 playing it so long but now i can sit and compare my recording to other videos, it's fucking brutal isn't it! :4_joy: that's on the 1 watt setting too with the sound low, the head and cab cost me around £500 2nd hand, think i would struggle to buy another rig for that price range that would be that brutal  .. my phone struggled on the trem picking but picked up the chugging well but slightly muffled, will have to learn how to record properly lol

I was looking at the orange dark terror too :35_thinking:  ..the Victory Kracken sounds good but twice the price of our MH

Yeah, for that price I think your setup is around one of the best you could put together. Like I said, other than the pure versatility of the Katana - I think it's other big plus is that it's an amp you can use in a lot of different settings in that you can play in your bedroom but you can also make it keep up with a drummer. Our amp is the same tbh - not the same volume capability of the full sized head, obviously, but we can keep up with a drummer and mic'd up, it could be gigged with too.

It's a great little amp and for bringing the brutality, I'd always prefer it to the Katana.

I think the Dark Terror is a cool little amp. Imo though, it's an even less versatile amp than our MH. Just that EQ shape knob for either an extreme mids scoop or an extreme mids boost. You can get good old school cranked amp on the edge of breakup tones with it, but with it's high gain tone it's sort of a definite one trick pony imo. My biggest issue with it was simply... I don't think I like Orange high gain tones very much. I think they're cool amps and a lot of people can sound really great with the various high gain Oranges out there. In my own experience though, I could never tighten up the low end to what I wanted.

I've never played any Victory amps... but I've seen loads of demo videos of them. I think they're all really impressive amps. 

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@Dr. Gonzo This is one of my favourite tones, think i'm chasing this with my Mini Head :4_joy:  ..the pink Behringer is a metal zone clone, might try that in the red channel :52_fearful::S:4_joy: like Cannibal Corpse do on the dual rectifier with my EMG guitar

 

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Holy shit!! this guy gets the Cannibal Corpse tone with the Peavey 6505 MH & Boss Metal Zone 2 pedal working as a slave in the effects return loop, V30 speakers! :o  

 

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12 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

Holy shit!! this guy gets the Cannibal Corpse tone with the Peavey 6505 MH & Boss Metal Zone 2 pedal working as a slave in the effects return loop, V30 speakers! :o  

 

If the Metal Zone is in the FX return... it should be bypassing the pre-amp entirely (although I don't know how that works with different channels). A bit interesting, Ola Englund did demonstrate that this "meme" pedal is pretty immense when you use it in the FX loop.

Airis Effects are a company I've been interested in for a while... but they're very expensive. I wonder how expensive their MT-2 mod is... because I bet you we could find some cheap second hand ones and send those in to mod. But they're a pretty premium boutique pedal company, so I doubt it'd be very cheap. Although, I also wonder if Behringer make a clone of it like they do with the HM-2 & that hot pink pedal.

Ahh yep, found the Behringer clone: Behringer Ultra-Metal 300! I think Behringer shite is actually pretty hard to mod (I know it's fairly difficult to rehouse the insides into metal enclosures)... but I have always been interested in the MT-2 (because I know Marty Friedman of the golden era of Megadeth used one pretty extensively) and after seeing that Ola video where he used it as a pre-amp in his Randall Satan... I thought it was even more interesting of a pedal.

I also think if we mess around enough with the pre-gain, presence & resonance... we can get very close to sounding like a Rectifier. It's not perfect, it probably can't be perfect because of us having completely different tubes in the power section (I'm pretty sure) but I think we could come quite close. And I do have that modeler I can just run into my MH's FX return to get a Dual Recto clone going through the amp's power section

I don't think I have a guitar downtuned enough to play Cannibal Corpse riffs effectively though xD - I've got one in D Standard & 2 in Standard tuning. I don't know what Cannibal Corpse use, I assume B standard, so I'd probably need to fuck with the truss rod if I changed tunings & string gauges. Not sure I want to do that!

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