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Muad’Dib is about to emerge from the desert with his third eye awakened and find the golden path to the unification of the holy lands. It’s as simple as that you fucken dunces

I'd rather say this obsession with strong leaders and strong leadership is a part of the problem rather than its solution, to be absolutely honest. If neither the former and reigning israeli PMs nor the former and reigning Palestinian representives had always been so busy to demonstrate "strong leadership" a compromise could have been found decades ago.

Please be so kind and explain how extending a war and producing an ever bigger bloodbath in the process can be seen as positive? Genuine curious?

I have a friend that conditionally supports Hamas as he states they are the only means that the Palestinian people have for self-determination whether just or not, and I tell him I have no support for Hamas as I don’t believe a boot of any colour on someone’s neck is positive, nor do I buy into the cope of ‘he is a monster, but he is our monster’. I have no support from Israel either, as they cultivated this situation into a war and admittedly so, they are the power brokers in this war all terms and conditions are determined through them. I support both the people of Israel and Palestine not having to suffer through a war that ultimately serves no purpose but to strengthen the imperial goals of the power holders in Israel and abroad, they don’t suffer from their ivory towers.

Honestly mate why don’t you stick to what you’re best at and defend animal abuse instead of worry about things you don’t understand

Depends how you define fire first. Iran and Israel have been in a Cold War for decades now. Hamas is a proxy of Iran & Qatar, but Hezbollah is a distinctly Iranian proxy that the IRGC basically has total control over. Like with Israel v Hamas, there’s no real “good guys” in a war with Iran & Israel. Just a lot of unwilling participants for a war that really only suits the 2 terrible leaders of the two countries.

I think a lot of the bickering and misunderstandings around this topic could be avoided if people on both sides could understand better that "the Jews", "Israel" and "the Israeli government" are actually distinct groups of people. It's a fucking mess down there. Our whole lives, the vast majority of leadership in the Middle East comes from bad actors convincing their populations to hate and be scared of their neighbours so you better vote for me because I'm going to protect you and reassure you that it's okay to feel that way. The West (mostly the US) have shown themselves to be bad actors looking after their own interests also. It's going to take more than "strong leadership" and a stiff upper lip to sort it all out. There are clearly deep and long-standing cultural and psychological issues. You've got hundreds of millions of people who have never really lived properly in peace and you're trying to convince them to trust each other and live happily side by side. You'll have about as much luck convincing everyone in Europe to stop watching football and follow water polo instead. It'll take something seismic to reset the board down there. Hopefully it doesn't need to be world war 3.

Punishing Israel just punishes the people that live there, that isn't a solution to any problem.

Okay, first decision is to make a copper statue of me lifting every world cup for Australia while kicking King Charles in the arse

It’s something that can be corrected but generational change isn’t something that even “strong leaders” can easily implement. For Israel it means at the very least getting back to a political sentiment the country really hasn’t had since the 90s - I think that’s pretty tough given the political climate since then. For Palestine that means having leadership that’s really unlike any leadership they’ve had since… maybe the Ottoman Empire(?) or maybe ever. Neither of those are all that realistic - especially when you consider what @Rucksackfranzosesaid. Most leaders that try to demonstrate strength are the exact type of leaders that think compromise is weakness. For this conflict to be settled, you need both sides to have leadership with a strong appetite for compromising towards reaching a lasting peace. There’s quite a lot of people in both communities that don’t view the other side as fully human. These aren’t easy things to try to work through. And hoping for generational change anytime soon with the current tactics used I think is mental. We’re already seeing the foundation for the conflict’s next generation of extremists.

@Dr. Gonzo & @Spike

Fucken tell him, dadash. This king won’t be wrong, so true

All the fucked and cooked cunts thinks this is a good time to fucken sook about gun control and how mass murders still happen.

@Tommy

I’ve called the IDF war criminals, you’re hoping a bunch of people that use Palestinians as pawns just do something to kill Jews and start another long Middle Eastern war because you’re so deep into their propaganda

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