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23 minutes ago, Stan said:

I know not all bull dogs are dangerous. 

But this one clearly is? 

I'd have thought all dogs are naturally aggressive given its animalistic natures. I think what's more prevalent is that some are more easier to be tamed. It's obvious that XL Bully's in the wrong hands can be/is tragic and catastrophic. 

Yeah what I meant is the term bully doesn't mean anything. Most dogs can be aggressive if you don't train them properly I would imagine yeah. As I said from what I have heard they are very loyal and so very easy to make aggressive. I would imagine though that a lot of people have them for protection. Which probably makes the amount of attacks disproportionate. However I do think the ban is right from what I have read.

2 minutes ago, MUFC said:

Dogo Argentino.

What about it? I know its a banned breed but what is your point ?

41 minutes ago, Stan said:

If you're cross-breeding a dog and calling it XL Bully it should probably ring some alarm bells. 

I think the issues are two-fold though. If they're too dangerous to be trained away from their aggression then they shouldn't be allowed. The other issue being that if their owner can't train them to be tamed then they shouldn't be allowed. 

The incident a couple of weeks ago was horrible. Imagine just going about your day and a dog comes up to you, bites you but won't let go until it has to be smashed round the head. It's not right. 

Bully is normally a term for a bull dog I think. Not all bull dogs are dangerous. Staffies are very friendly dogs. As I said they can be tamed but they are very easy to make aggressive. Most dogs aren't naturally aggressive 

41 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

The dog is genetically aggressive, the argument about training them is from an ignorant viewpoint.

It's not genetically aggressive. I was just reading about it. It's genetically very loyal however.  Which makes it very easy to manipulate to be aggressive. It's also very strong. Also a lot of people get it for protection. So overall there probably is enough reason to ban the breed from what I have read.

5 minutes ago, Whiskey said:

Should be banned and there's not even a discussion.

Well that's not true. Like I said if people train them to be aggressive then that means the dog is not an issue it's the owners. However if they are to strong and powerfull for a domestic pet that would be cause for a ban as well. Like I said I don't have all the facts so I don't know 

So do you think about the xl bully ban? Personally I think you have to look at the facts. One thing that I thought is that alot of people buy certain dogs and train them to be aggressive. Those breeds tend to be strong dogs. So it's not necessarily the dog breed it's the owners. And if you ban the dog those people will just get another strong dog and train them to be aggressive. 

Like I said though I do think you have to look at the facts. If the dog is naturally aggressive then it is a massive issue. 

Great goal for England 

Shit I forgot England were playing 

Personally I love netflix. With all the choice on there you only have to watch about 1% of it to get value for money. Maybe it doesn't have some of the great shows that some networks have but I can normally find something to watch and if I really want to watch something I just get the dvd so best streaming service for me. 

I think we win on the weekend. Will be tough though but I fancy us at home. Noticed @CaaC (John) regularly predicts us to loose still 

@Dr. Gonzo @Mel81x have either of you seen it?

I have. Is it terrible? Yes

Did I still like it? Yes

Do I want to see the sequal? Yes 

@The Palace Fan were you able to see where you were sat? I had to watch most of it on the screen. I have thought about spending a bit more money next year and sitting near the front. The only issue is what happens if it rains.

Anyway it was my first wrestling event and I loved it. I do intend to go to some independent shows. There is a south west promotion I'm thinking of going to. Also want to go to rev pro.

I rewatched it on tv. I think the match quality was excellent. Would say it is aews best ppv so far.

On 25/01/2023 at 21:37, Spike said:

They wear protection because Teddy Roosevelt made them wear it in the 1900s. It used to be more similar to rugby but the entire sport was essentially a free-for-all maul, with few rules on how and what a tackle is, players often died. Instead of adjusting the rules and learning to tackle safely; the forward pass and helmets were added. What the players wear now is just the evolution of that.

So is that a yes they do need the protective gear? 

@Tommy to be honest if aliens were looking for intelligent life and made contact with the USA they would probably go home 

@Stan I hope I didn't come across as rude. I thought scientists thought there was intelligent life out there. 

Just now, Tommy said:

I can't stop laughing at the thought of Aliens finally building up the courage to pay us a friendly visit, packing presents and what not, and the American just fucking shoot them down. 

We'll have to explain to them that Americans are primitive 

@nudge Had a quick Google. In the observable universe there are around 125 billion galaxies. Presumably there is more than the observable universe? I know scientists can't say something exists without proof. But from a mathematical perspective. Wouldn't it be more likely than not there is intelligent life? From what I understand the drake equation was only our galaxy? And its been pretty heavily criticised. Have scientists said they don't think there is intelligent life or that there is no evidence? Because saying there is no evidence and saying that they don't think it's likely are different things.

8 minutes ago, nudge said:

Erm, no. Most scientists do not believe that there is intelligent life in the universe, nor has it been explained why aliens haven't come to Earth... What many scientists believe is that the existence of extraterrestrial life in the past or present is likely in the vast Universe, but we're mostly talking about microbial lifeforms here, not intelligent alien civilisations. Drake Equation and Fermi paradox looking at the potential number of alien civilisations and the reasons there hasn't been any contact is nothing but a thought experiment...

Fair enough. But can we see all the stars in the universe? If there are trillions of planets and the odds of intelligent life forming are billions to one then doesn't that mean it's likely there is intelligent life?

Also just done a quick Google isn't the drake equation just our galaxy?

Just now, Stan said:

This is my point. 

I believe there's this kind of life form somewhere out there. 

But not aliens. 

 

Fair enough. Like I say always go with the experts. I thought they thought there was.

1 minute ago, Stan said:

What scientific consensus is this, by the way? 

 

I'm pretty certain most scientists who study these kind of things think other life exiting is likely. 

3 minutes ago, Stan said:

How is it irrational?

What proof is there that specifically aliens exist anywhere? Regardless whether they come to Earth or not, that's a moot point.

Because your not a scientist but you are going against the scientific consensus.  If you have trillions of planets and the odds of life forming is billions to one that makes it likely there is life out there. The chances of them coming to earth however is very unlikely due to reasons discussed with nudge. These things aren't really opinions they are looking at data and coming to the likely conclusion 

2 minutes ago, nudge said:

I don't think anyone genuinely believes that those objects are aliens, lol. 

Yeah it's strange. Stans normally very rational but I think he's got this one wrong. There are so many stars and planets out there from what I gather most scientists think it's unlikely there isn't intelligent life out there 

1 minute ago, Stan said:

Other (limited?) life forms, perhaps.

But not aliens.

Likewise, you can think it's possible but to convince others you need proof. So in terms of aliens, what proof is there that they exist?

When it comes to scientists or astrologists, they can spot meteors and asteroids or other objects coming 'close' to Earth, but funny how they never seem able to spot the aliens coming to our planet.

I'm not being obtuse or awkward here by the way. I just strongly believe that aliens don't exist and it doesn't even come into play with these 'balloons' appearing in USA/Canada. 

I think your being irrational personally. Most scientists think there is intelligent life in the universe. It's been explained why aliens probably haven't come to earth. Seems strange to think it when scientists disagree 

Just now, nudge said:

Yes, even if there's intelligent life out there, it's extremely unlikely bordering to impossible that we would ever be able to make contact. Constant expansion of the universe makes it even less likely. 

I think Bryan Cox did a programme about it. I'm not sure if he suggested aliens might have made contact. Don't know why if he did

Wednesday 8/10

Enjoyable show.