Serie A 2019/20 - 17^ Giornata - [18/12 - 22/12]

[Stan]

Wednesday 18th December, 2019
Sampdoria vs Juventus, 17.55
Brescia vs Sassuolo, 19.45

Friday 20th December, 2019
Fiorentina vs Roma, 19.45

Saturday 21st December, 2019
Udinese vs Cagliari, 14.00
Inter Milan vs Genoa, 17.00
Torino vs SPAL, 19.45

Sunday 22nd December, 2019
Atalanta vs AC Milan, 11.30
Lecce vs Bologna, 14.00
Parma vs Brescia, 14.00
Sassuolo vs Napoli, 19.45

[Eco]

Juve go up 2-1 just right before halftime

[Machado]

 

[Stan]

That leap is ridiculous.

[ScoRoss]

Just ridiculous

[ScoRoss]

Roma already 2-0 up away at Fiorentina.

Fiorentina are just so passive and disorganised. Commisso has a whole load to work to make them relevant again.

[ScoRoss]

Atalanta up 1-0 in less than ten minutes against Milan.

Conti, who looks a shell of the player he was at Atalanta, just completely unable to cope with Gomez.

This could be another horrible day for Milan, they just can't cope so far.

[ScoRoss]

1 hour ago, ScoRoss said:

This could be another horrible day for Milan, they just can't cope so far.

It's Atalanta 5 - Milan 0, and that isn't flattering. It's just what they deserve. 

[Michael]

7 hours ago, ScoRoss said:

It's Atalanta 5 - Milan 0, and that isn't flattering. It's just what they deserve. 

Oh dear, what has become of the once mighty Milan? Atalanta destroyed them today and AC Milan had no answers. 

Milan have spent over 300 million Pounds over the past 2 years on transfers, yet find themselves languishing in 11th place in Serie A. The club clearly has some management problems. Even AC Milan's ex- Atalanta players Kessie and Conti looked poor against Atalanata. Milan could even finish this matchday in 13th place if Verona and Sassulo win their respective matches. It's been a really poor season so far for AC Milan. We will have to wait and see if they can sort themselves out and start to attain more positive results in the new year.

[Stan]

Knew Milan would get thrashed. 

Atalanta, at home anyway, are exactly where you'd expect AC Milan to be and how they should be playing. How the tables have turned...

[ScoRoss]

6 hours ago, Michael said:

Oh dear, what has become of the once mighty Milan? Atalanta destroyed them today and AC Milan had no answers. 

Milan have spent over 300 million Pounds over the past 2 years on transfers, yet find themselves languishing in 11th place in Serie A. The club clearly has some management problems. Even AC Milan's ex- Atalanta players Kessie and Conti looked poor against Atalanata. Milan could even finish this matchday in 13th place if Verona and Sassulo win their respective matches. It's been a really poor season so far for AC Milan. We will have to wait and see if they can sort themselves out and start to attain more positive results in the new year.

Conti has just not looked the same since his serious knee injury. He gave his opponent, and it didn't matter who, so much space and time to put a cross in or just bypass him completely.

He had his success as a aggressive wing back, and now he is just shackled playing full back with far more defensive responsibility than ever before.

Milan are just a collection of players with a rotating carousel of manager. At least Giampaolo came in with a overriding strategy and a plan how to set up the team. How the board thought they'd have short term success is beyond me. Pioli is exactly what they deserve right now.

[Dan+]

5-0 is outrageous really. They really are pathetic now.

[Michael]

13 hours ago, ScoRoss said:

Conti has just not looked the same since his serious knee injury. He gave his opponent, and it didn't matter who, so much space and time to put a cross in or just bypass him completely.

He had his success as a aggressive wing back, and now he is just shackled playing full back with far more defensive responsibility than ever before.

Milan are just a collection of players with a rotating carousel of manager. At least Giampaolo came in with a overriding strategy and a plan how to set up the team. How the board thought they'd have short term success is beyond me. Pioli is exactly what they deserve right now.

It's worth noting that only 4 teams in Serie A have scored less goals than AC Milan this season. There are clearly some serious problems in the team and their defence hasn't been that great either to be fair.

The fact that Milan are in 11th place, really is a shambles, considering all the money that they have spent on transfers. In fact, over the past 3 seasons, they have spent almost 500 million Euros on new players. That is a huge amount of money, but what we see from them today, is an average standard of football at best. Perhaps they should invest in a world class manager, who can give the club a vision and who can bring in the right kind of players. What is going on at Milan right now is quite frankly embarrassing.

[ScoRoss]

5 minutes ago, Michael said:

It's worth noting that only 4 teams in Serie A have scored less goals than AC Milan this season. There are clearly some serious problems in the team and their defence hasn't been that great either to be fair.

The fact that Milan are in 11th place, really is a shambles, considering all the money that they have spent on transfers. In fact, over the past 3 seasons, they have spent almost 500 million Euros on new players. That is a huge amount of money, but what we see from them today, is an average standard of football at best. Perhaps they should invest in a world class manager, who can give the club a vision and who can bring in the right kind of players. What is going on at Milan right now is quite frankly embarrassing.

Unfortunately, with the complete flux in ownership situation, I can't see many managers at the top of the game even considering Milan. Elliott Management don't seem to have a long term interest in running Milan, just building a quick house of cards so that they can turn the club over and get their money back.

The club lost over €150 million last year and have lost close to €1 billion in the last 15 years. Which is even more ridiculous considering they have been an irrelevant club at the top level for the entire 2010s.

Rumours have them targeting Ralf Rangnick from Red Bull Leipzig, but honestly why would he leave Leipzig for Milan? That's the state the club is in.

Honestly, Fiorentina are in a worse position than Milan right now. But I can honestly see them competing at the top again before Milan.

[Michael]

Yes, Elliot Management may not have AC Milan's long term interests at heart, especially with their so called 3 year plan. But that is still no excuse for the team's performances. 

What usually happens to elite clubs that fall on hard times, is that the money dries out, so they can't spend the money on big transfers or they are forced to sell their best players. But neither situation has been the case at AC Milan. AC Milan have had the luxury of spending a huge amount of money on players in each of the last 3 seasons. To see them struggling in 11th place in Serie A is ridiculous, with all things considered. 

I mean looking at their squad, they do have some good players in their team, but other players are either average or past their best. Several of their high profile transfers, have failed to deliver performance wise. I think that looking forward, they need a top class manager, who is experienced and proven. Such a manager would then bring in the right players and get the best out of the better existing players. 

Let us not forget that AC Milan did finish 5th last season in Serie A, only 1 point behind 3rd place Atalanta. So the potential to do well is there within the team, but they urgently need a distinguished manager to steer them in the right direction in my opinion.

[ScoRoss]

11 minutes ago, Michael said:

Yes, Elliot Management may not have AC Milan's long term interests at heart, especially with their so called 3 year plan. But that is still no excuse for the team's performances. 

What usually happens to elite clubs that fall on hard times, is that the money dries out, so they can't spend the money on big transfers or they are forced to sell their best players. But neither situation has been the case at AC Milan. AC Milan have had the luxury of spending a huge amount of money on players in each of the last 3 seasons. To see them struggling in 11th place in Serie A is ridiculous, with all things considered. 

I mean looking at their squad, they do have some good players in their team, but other players are either average or past their best. Several of their high profile transfers, have failed to deliver performance wise. I think that looking forward, they need a top class manager, who is experienced and proven. Such a manager would then bring in the right players and get the best out of the better existing players. 

Let us not forget that AC Milan did finish 5th last season in Serie A, only 1 point behind 3rd place Atalanta. So the potential to do well is there within the team, but they urgently need a distinguished manager to steer them in the right direction in my opinion.

Oh definitely they are to blame for some of this. I don't see for a second any evidence of a long term plan though, especially with the rate they are going through managers trying to find a quick fix.

Frankly, there are not many people in the world that could afford a football club and almost none of them would want to acquire a complete basketcase like Milan.

And any manager would probably be the same. Conte, Ancelotti and Mourinho have all been available recently, but none of them would probably even speak to Milan when they had an opening in that time. 

They've failed to spot young talented players for years, what are the chances they could spot a young talented manager?

[Michael]

I agree that they are obviously partly to blame for the situation Milan are in right now. Appointing Pioli for example, was a clear mistake. Pioli is an average manager and what exactly has he won of any significance during his managerial career? Although I concur that Giampaolo was better than Pioli, he didn't have amazing managerial credentials either. These managers have to share part of the blame. It's not as if the club didn't provide them with the financial resources in which to help them succeed. But as was probably to be expected, they weren't up to the task. They are both average managers with average track records.

As for attracting managers of the ilk that you named. Well, lets be honest, the EPL is the go to league for any ambitious manager. Ancelotti joined Everton and Mourinho joined Spurs. Two clubs which have big transfer budgets that they can provide their respective managers. There is also arguably less pressure at Spurs and Everton than there is at AC Milan, as the competition in the EPL is fierce, with 8 or 9 very good teams in that league and most of these teams have huge transfer budgets.

That's not the case in Serie A, where maybe only 3 or 4 clubs, including AC Milan, that can afford to spend big on a regular basis. Having said that, Milan should still be able to attract a better quality of manager than Pioli and Giampaolo. The owners might not have a long term vision, but at the end of the day, if they can afford to spend big money on player transfers, then they can afford to pay high wages in order to entice a good prospective manager. 

A young manager is probably not the answer right now, given how much they have spent. An experienced manager with good credentils is what is needed. There's no room to gamble given the money that they have spent and the expectations that are present from the fans at least. The team is similar to last season's side that finished in 5th place, in fact they are arguably better than last season's team with the additions of Kessie, Hernandez, Leao and Bennacer. The prime responsibility for the teams failings on the pitch this season has got to fall on the managers shoulders. They have both not delivered. 

AC Milan have not become crap overnight in Serie A. Their current 11th placed position as opposed to last seasons 5th place position(very nearly 3rd place) is mainly down to poor management.

 

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1 hour ago, Michael said:

I agree that they are obviously partly to blame for the situation Milan are in right now. Appointing Pioli for example, was a clear mistake. Pioli is an average manager and what exactly has he won of any significance during his managerial career? Although I concur that Giampaolo was better than Pioli, he didn't have amazing managerial credentials either. These managers have to share part of the blame. It's not as if the club didn't provide them with the financial resources in which to help them succeed. But as was probably to be expected, they weren't up to the task. They are both average managers with average track records.

As for attracting managers of the ilk that you named. Well, lets be honest, the EPL is the go to league for any ambitious manager. Ancelotti joined Everton and Mourinho joined Spurs. Two clubs which have big transfer budgets that they can provide their respective managers. There is also arguably less pressure at Spurs and Everton than there is at AC Milan, as the competition in the EPL is fierce, with 8 or 9 very good teams in that league and most of these teams have huge transfer budgets.

That's not the case in Serie A, where maybe only 3 or 4 clubs, including AC Milan, that can afford to spend big on a regular basis. Having said that, Milan should still be able to attract a better quality of manager than Pioli and Giampaolo. The owners might not have a long term vision, but at the end of the day, if they can afford to spend big money on player transfers, then they can afford to pay high wages in order to entice a good prospective manager. 

A young manager is probably not the answer right now, given how much they have spent. An experienced manager with good credentials is what is needed. There's no room to gamble given the money that they have spent and the expectations that are present from the fans at least. The team is similar to last season's side that finished in 5th place, in fact they are arguably better than last season's team with the additions of Kessie, Hernandez, Leao and Bennacer. The prime responsibility for the teams failings on the pitch this season has got to fall on the managers shoulders. They have both not delivered. 

AC Milan have not become crap overnight in Serie A. Their current 11th placed position as opposed to last seasons 5th place position(very nearly 3rd place) is mainly down to poor management.

 

Milan spends big on a regular basis but definitely can't afford it. They lost €150 million last season, €120 million the previous season and a total loss of around €400 million for the combined five years. They are lightyears from complying with FFP and competing in the Champions League again. If you were a top manager, would you go somewhere where Champions League football is guaranteed not to happen for about half a decade?

If you are going to look to blame anyone for their transfer dealings this summer, it's Frederic Massara and Maldini. Their head coaches don't often get involved in their activity. Whether it's good judgement to instead have someone who had spent the previous five years trying to play tennis making transfer decisions, well... that's another issue.

Milan have not finished in the top four since 2013 under Allegri (when they had a worst start than this season) and have barely been relevant in Italy since. Berlusconi had them propped up, and the end of his time at the club and the introduction of FFP have been catastrophic for them.

[Michael]

On 23/12/2019 at 17:38, ScoRoss said:

Milan spends big on a regular basis but definitely can't afford it. They lost €150 million last season, €120 million the previous season and a total loss of around €400 million for the combined five years. They are lightyears from complying with FFP and competing in the Champions League again. If you were a top manager, would you go somewhere where Champions League football is guaranteed not to happen for about half a decade?

If you are going to look to blame anyone for their transfer dealings this summer, it's Frederic Massara and Maldini. Their head coaches don't often get involved in their activity. Whether it's good judgement to instead have someone who had spent the previous five years trying to play tennis making transfer decisions, well... that's another issue.

Milan have not finished in the top four since 2013 under Allegri (when they had a worst start than this season) and have barely been relevant in Italy since. Berlusconi had them propped up, and the end of his time at the club and the introduction of FFP have been catastrophic for them.

Yeah, they have clearly been badly managed in recent years.