Brentford to Re-Open Academy

[Danny]

Three reasons essentially why we are re-opening the academy:

• In a much better financial situation where the money needed to run the academy isn't deemed as a big of a sum as it was in the Championship at Griffin Park.
• Due to Brexit we will need to focus on homegrown talent more
• Ambitions to qualify for Europe where each team competing must have at least 4 different age ranges between 10 and 21 I believe.

We are keeping the B Team and Imagine we will likely look to incorporate anything up to and U18 side before moving players into the B Team. But who knows maybe we will have an U23 side for the late bloomers too.

 

 

[Spike]

You should join.

[Danny]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

You should join.

Too good mate don’t wanna embarrass anyone 

[Spike]

8 minutes ago, Danny said:

Too good mate don’t wanna embarrass anyone 

The kids gotta learn somehow

[Bluebird Hewitt]

If memory serves right, wasn't it closed as well due to the bigger clubs basically poaching a decent amount of players for next to nothing?

Might be a different club. I can't remember.

[Danny]

On 11/06/2022 at 11:43, Bluebird Hewitt said:

If memory serves right, wasn't it closed as well due to the bigger clubs basically poaching a decent amount of players for next to nothing?

Might be a different club. I can't remember.

Pretty much yeah, we just weren't seeing the cost of the academy back into the team so decided to opt for the B team as well which has been pretty successful so far

[Dr. Gonzo]

What’s the difference between a B team and the reserves?

[Spike]

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What’s the difference between a B team and the reserves?

I thought B teams were league registered or something 

[Storts]

I knew they would realise their mistake at some point. No surprise about the U turn 

[Whiskey]

2 hours ago, Storts said:

I knew they would realise their mistake at some point. No surprise about the U turn 

Agreed.

[Danny]

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What’s the difference between a B team and the reserves?

B Team isn’t regulated in the same way. We can decide our own fixtures and create a more competitive atmosphere for our younger players than what they’d get in the youth set ups. Plus theres a much closer link to the first team with clear pathways in.

6 hours ago, Storts said:

I knew they would realise their mistake at some point. No surprise about the U turn 

You’ll have to try harder than that sunshiiiiiiine

[Storts]

1 hour ago, Danny said:

B Team isn’t regulated in the same way. We can decide our own fixtures and create a more competitive atmosphere for our younger players than what they’d get in the youth set ups. Plus theres a much closer link to the first team with clear pathways in.

You’ll have to try harder than that sunshiiiiiiine

I was pretty sure that was going to get you 

[Danny]

26 minutes ago, Storts said:

I was pretty sure that was going to get you 

Well versed in your warfare mate 

[Dave]

Unfortunately given its "normal" for Championship club to lose over eight million a year and the way EPPP was set up to benefit Premier League clubs there really is no benefit to sides that are not in a position to afford a Category A academy having an academy at all.

I remember years ago when Huddersfield pulled there's and got criticised for it, they asked the reporters where they think the 2m-3m to run the academy would come from. You could argue that a lot of these sides just need one "Wan-Bissaka" size transfer to cover it for over a decade, but having a young player who nobody expects to come through take full advantage of an opportunity is extremely rare. Its far more common the Man City's find your Jadon Sancho's from Watford and Liam Delap's from Derby long before they're ready to sign a full time professional contract.

That doesn't cause a shortage of academy teams and opportunities though, a guy I work with has a son thats within the Chelsea Under 12's system. He explained the way it works now is that Chelsea will have something like eight to ten teams at Under 12 age group scattered across London and the outskirts of London. They'll also have the best players from that age group in the official Chelsea Academy team at Cobham. Essentially his son would have been in a academy like Charlton ten years ago, but the way the goalposts have moved he's in the Chelsea system.

What that means is that you'll get more often in the future is a situation where instead of Josh Bohui leaving Brentford for Manchester United for peanuts, being assessed, and then being released and ending up at Colchester to try and build his career (where Colchester would be the beneficiaries if he reaches his full potential), a modern day Josh Bohui would start off at a Premier League club in London maybe on one of these outskirt teams and find himself at Colchester anyway who could still profit if he reaches his potential.

It's not a good or a bad thing really, it's just the way football has moved along. 

[Danny]

7 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said:

Unfortunately given its "normal" for Championship club to lose over eight million a year and the way EPPP was set up to benefit Premier League clubs there really is no benefit to sides that are not in a position to afford a Category A academy having an academy at all.

I remember years ago when Huddersfield pulled there's and got criticised for it, they asked the reporters where they think the 2m-3m to run the academy would come from. You could argue that a lot of these sides just need one "Wan-Bissaka" size transfer to cover it for over a decade, but having a young player who nobody expects to come through take full advantage of an opportunity is extremely rare. Its far more common the Man City's find your Jadon Sancho's from Watford and Liam Delap's from Derby long before they're ready to sign a full time professional contract.

That doesn't cause a shortage of academy teams and opportunities though, a guy I work with has a son thats within the Chelsea Under 12's system. He explained the way it works now is that Chelsea will have something like eight to ten teams at Under 12 age group scattered across London and the outskirts of London. They'll also have the best players from that age group in the official Chelsea Academy team at Cobham. Essentially his son would have been in a academy like Charlton ten years ago, but the way the goalposts have moved he's in the Chelsea system.

What that means is that you'll get more often in the future is a situation where instead of Josh Bohui leaving Brentford for Manchester United for peanuts, being assessed, and then being released and ending up at Colchester to try and build his career (where Colchester would be the beneficiaries if he reaches his full potential), a modern day Josh Bohui would start off at a Premier League club in London maybe on one of these outskirt teams and find himself at Colchester anyway who could still profit if he reaches his potential.

It's not a good or a bad thing really, it's just the way football has moved along.

For the players no, for the clubs it is.

[Dave]

9 minutes ago, Danny said:

For the players no, for the clubs it is.

I see both sides of the arguement. They have access to better facilities and with the way sports science has evolved its all become critical to development.