Mass shooting in Texan Church

[Dr. Gonzo]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

Chicago isn't even as bad as people think it is for fucks sake. Detroit, St Louis, Milwaukee, East St Louis, Memphis, Baltimore, Cleveland, and New Orleans are far worse. Chicago just has a lot of gang violence which is insular to it's geographic.

People bring up Chicago's strict gun laws and Chicago's high gun crime as an excuse that gun laws don't do anything. But there was a documentary that interviewed gang members and went with them to Indiana where they bought guns no problem despite having a criminal record.

And as you say, they aren't even close to the worst with gun crime in their own region of the US. 

[Harry]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's not that complicated of a past. Unless you mean their rebellion from us... Americans just like guns a lot.

They're more willing to have mass shootings every once in a while than have a reasonable gun policy. That's why it's the only western country that routinely deals with mass shootings like this.

In a few weeks, this will all be forgotten. Then some cunt will grab his gun and go to a school, or a mall, or to his workplace, or whatever and slaughter more people.

How far removed are we from the Vegas shooting? And if the concert goers were armed then (it was Vegas, some probably were) it wouldn't have helped any of those 500+ injured. Has it even been a month?

But gun control is worse than murder to a big part of this country, so nothing will happen.

The real issue is the fact gun control measures are not being deployed despite there being majority support for it. 

 

[Stan]

Gun debate takes another turn. Had there been vetting (and had he been entered in to this database), he would have been prevented from owning a gun...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41895695
 

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The US Air Force has said it is investigating its apparent failure to enter information about Texas gunman Devin Patrick Kelley's criminal history into the national database.

Ex-airman Kelley was court-martialled for domestic violence in 2012, and was barred from owning or buying guns.

But last year he was able to purchase a rifle he used in Sunday's attack on a small church outside San Antonio.

He killed 26 people and fled the scene. He was later found dead in his car.

Police said he died from what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound after being chased by armed bystanders.

Kelley was also shot in his leg and torso by a citizen, the regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, Freeman Martin, was quoted as saying by the Associated Press.

In a statement, the Air Force said: "Initial information indicates that [Devin] Kelley's domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations."

It said it was now - together with the Department of Defense - investigating the handling of Kelley's criminal records.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott earlier said Kelley, 26, should not legally have been allowed to own a firearm, after having been denied a gun owner's permit by the state.

Kelley bought the rifle from the Academy Sports + Outdoors shop in San Antonio. The store issued a statement sending "deep condolences" to the victims' families.

Kelley was armed with the semi-automatic rifle and two pistols when he attacked the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs during Sunday services.

He had argued with his mother-in-law before the rampage, officials said.

Kelley called his father after he was shot by an armed bystander and said he did not think he would survive.

 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

There was another shooting in the U.S. in a church (or right outside a church) on Sunday in Fresno, California - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/06/the-other-deadly-church-shooting-in-america-on-sunday/?utm_term=.2f9658c19262&hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news

[Honey Honey]

That's just an ordinary day, you've got to kill at least 15 to make prime time news 

[Burning Gold]

On 11/6/2017 at 8:15 PM, Harry said:

The real issue is the fact gun control measures are not being deployed despite there being majority support for it. 

 

That's because no one can agree on what to do. The loudest voices on the left want incredibly tight restrictions, if not mass confiscation, while their equivalents on the right want no new restrictions at all. There are pragmatists in the middle, but they don't have much of a voice because you can't make funny memes about compromise.

That in itself is a microcosm of the modern political climate, where both sides have become more entrenched and extreme, and both parties instinctively vote against each other's legislation.

[Harry]

42 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

That's because no one can agree on what to do. The loudest voices on the left want incredibly tight restrictions, if not mass confiscation, while their equivalents on the right want no new restrictions at all. There are pragmatists in the middle, but they don't have much of a voice because you can't make funny memes about compromise.

That in itself is a microcosm of the modern political climate, where both sides have become more entrenched and extreme, and both parties instinctively vote against each other's legislation.

I don't live there but i think you could at least reintroduce the bill clinton era gun restrictions and be better off than you are now. Rome wasn't built in a day. 

But then of course people will call for further tightening the next time there's an atrocity and on it potentially goes. 

The debate has become simplified to either banning all guns or favoring giving bazukas to 3 year olds to protect themselves. So outside the centrist democrats there's not many people willing to speak to the wide range of possibilities between those two extremes. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, Kitchen Sales said:

That's just an ordinary day, you've got to kill at least 15 to make prime time news 

It shows how gun deaths are just a part and parcel of America. Look at this list: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/number-of-gun-deaths

Most of these didn't make the news. They're not sexy news stories like a mass murder like the Vegas shooting or this one in Texas, which had that weird fact about 4 of the murdered victims being all in the same family but with 4 generations of that family tree all murdered. But it's pretty astounding that there are so many deaths. And it's from states/areas that have pretty strict gun control (California, New York, Washington D.C., etc.) as well as places where gun laws are very lax (Texas, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana) - there's also the fact that even with regulations in place... if the authorities aren't acting properly (like the US air force not registering the shooter from the Texas church once he was discharged), it doesn't actually prevent any of the crimes.

If you actually look at the US's second amendment it says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I don't think many, if any, US gun owners are any part of a well regulated militia. Seems like the US court system has selectively decided what the amendment means based on the last part of the amendment. It's also pretty outdated, as militias were how America kept itself state in colonial/revolutionary/post-revolutionary times.

Nowadays, no militias are keeping the peace in the U.S. That's done by police officers. No other major western country deals with mass shootings like this - America needs to stop being silly with it's gun regulations.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

'The former US Air Force airman pleaded guilty in 2013 to hitting, choking and kicking Ms Brennaman, and to fracturing the skull of her young son.
He was sentenced to a year in military prison and demoted over the inciden'

 

I think maybe there should be some focus on this sentencing too, a fucking year in jail for fracturing the skull of a child? He should be seeing 20 years.