• Sign up free today!

    Join in on the discussion, prediction leagues and competitions today! Sign up takes no longer than 5 minutes.

Sign in to follow this  
football forum

Bundesliga Club Memberships

Recommended Posts

Is there any valid, publicly released data on the teams and their membership numbers? 

It's one of the things I absolutely love about German football, the 50+1 rule, and while you have a few teams that skate around it, it's still a good rule and one that should be admired. 

I did find this chart, but I'm not sure how accurate it is. 

image.thumb.png.4e10a8cd92f84191d1576df15ec445ed.png

https://www.statista.com/statistics/595935/german-bundesliga-clubs-member-numbers/

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll also mention, that I do find it surprising that Union Berlin is not that far behind Hertha, that Bremen are as far back from Frankfurt as they appear to be, and the Leverkusen has more than Dusseldorf. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, Eco said:

and the Leverkusen has more than Dusseldorf. 

Hmm, I think a lot of people from South Düsseldorf and North Cologne support Leverkusen. Then you have big-ish towns like Langenfeld, Monheim, Solingen next to Leverkusen. Also, Fortuna is known for having a lof of "fashion fans" who only feel like turning up when we're doing great. I don't think those people are interested in becoming club members. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay - so I feel like their are some major cities that don't seem to have a decent club. You have Essen (where my wife lived) which is a decent sized city but I think their best team plays in Regionaliga. I spent some time in Bonn, but they don't have a professional team yet are a decent sized club. Yet their are teams like Paderborn which has such a low population and are in the Bundesliga. 

I was also surprised how many Union Berlin have. I love their fan base, just didn't know it was that many paying fans. 

Are you a member of Fortuna? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, Eco said:

I'll also mention, that I do find it surprising that Union Berlin is not that far behind Hertha, that Bremen are as far back from Frankfurt as they appear to be, and the Leverkusen has more than Dusseldorf. 

That chart is accurate.

For the part in bold: I'd say Frankfurt benefits from the fact that there's a lack of higher-profile clubs in Hessen so they are more likely to attract fans from all around the state whereas Bremen is the smallest federal state in the country and is surrounded by a geographical area with a number of other historically successful clubs with strong fan base. Hamburg is just over 100 km away and have HSV and St. Pauli; Niedersachsen have Hannover which is also just over 100 km away and also a few other traditional clubs in lower leagues + Wolfsburg. 
That said, the costs of the membership aren't helping to attract new members ever. I've been a "Fördermitglied" for years and wanted to upgrade to a "Vollmitglied" but the membership fee of 168€ a year is fucking ridiculous. It's the most expensive one in the league as well; more than double of what some other clubs charge ffs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, nudge said:

That chart is accurate.

For the part in bold: I'd say Frankfurt benefits from the fact that there's a lack of higher-profile clubs in Hessen so they are more likely to attract fans from all around the state whereas Bremen is the smallest federal state in the country and is surrounded by a geographical area with a number of other historically successful clubs with strong fan base. Hamburg is just over 100 km away and have HSV and St. Pauli; Niedersachsen have Hannover which is also just over 100 km away and also a few other traditional clubs in lower leagues + Wolfsburg. 
That said, the costs of the membership aren't helping to attract new members ever. I've been a "Fördermitglied" for years and wanted to upgrade to a "Vollmitglied" but the membership fee of 168€ a year is fucking ridiculous. It's the most expensive one in the league as well; more than double of what some other clubs charge ffs.

I did hear that RB Leipzig has a ridiculous fee which is why their aren't that many memberships sold and how they remain the 50+1 rule. 

I also couldn't find a Membership chart for 2. Bundesliga, which I imagine would be dominated by HSV and Stuttgart, but who knows. 

Question: What is the difference between the two levels? What do you get out of the membership as someone who isn't local anymore other than just knowing that you are part of the club and are helping to support it? 

This concept of membership is just so foreign to the states. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Damn - I found this online which shows 'roughly' the same numbers. 

germany_2019-20_club-membership-size_map_e_.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Eco said:

I did hear that RB Leipzig has a ridiculous fee which is why their aren't that many memberships sold and how they remain the 50+1 rule. 

I also couldn't find a Membership chart for 2. Bundesliga, which I imagine would be dominated by HSV and Stuttgart, but who knows. 

Question: What is the difference between the two levels? What do you get out of the membership as someone who isn't local anymore other than just knowing that you are part of the club and are helping to support it? 

This concept of membership is just so foreign to the states. 

Basicly an quarterly member magazine, a right of first refusal at matches that are supposed to be sold out, if you're going to attend them although you're not local, sometimes even at a lower price, and of course you may give a person of your trust a mandate to execute your voting rights at the annual member assembly.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Rucksackfranzose said:

Mostly an quarterly member magazine, a right of first refusal at matches that are supposed to be sold out, if you're going to attend them although you're not local, sometimes even at a lower price, and of course you may give a person of your trust a mandate to execute your voting rights at the annual member assembly.

How much a year is it for Saarbrucken's membership? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 22/10/2019 at 15:20, Eco said:

Question: What is the difference between the two levels? What do you get out of the membership as someone who isn't local anymore other than just knowing that you are part of the club and are helping to support it? 

This concept of membership is just so foreign to the states. 

The names of the membership tiers might vary from club to club but when it comes to Werder the only difference between the two is having a right to vote - Fördermitglieder don't have this right whereas Vollmitglieder do. 

Being a member has a few advantages in general; the main ones being discounts on season tickets, two free match tickets, priority in getting tickets for top and away matches, discount on merchandise and then some other small stuff like club magazine etc. A full membership with voting right obviously gives you a direct say in how the club is run so there's that. Back when I became a member I was living nearby and going to matches from time to time but to be honest I never had a chance to use any of the membership benefits anyway (other than free stadium tour). For me it's just about supporting the club and being part of it hence why I'm still a paying member and probably will be for life (depending on how silly the cost gets of course).

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
30 minutes ago, Eco said:

I also couldn't find a Membership chart for 2. Bundesliga, which I imagine would be dominated by HSV and Stuttgart, but who knows. 

https://www.transfermarkt.de/2-bundesliga/daten/wettbewerb/L2

That second big image you posted isn't accurate I think. I see they still put Frankfurt at less than 60000 but they're at 80000 now; so there might be some other errors as well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Eco said:

Okay - so I feel like their are some major cities that don't seem to have a decent club. You have Essen (where my wife lived) which is a decent sized city but I think their best team plays in Regionaliga. I spent some time in Bonn, but they don't have a professional team yet are a decent sized club. Yet their are teams like Paderborn which has such a low population and are in the Bundesliga. 

I was also surprised how many Union Berlin have. I love their fan base, just didn't know it was that many paying fans. 

Are you a member of Fortuna? 

Rot-Weiß Essen is still a legendary club with a huge history. Helmut Rahn alone is a German footballing legend. 

 

Not yet. My father is though. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, nudge said:

https://www.transfermarkt.de/2-bundesliga/daten/wettbewerb/L2

That second big image you posted isn't accurate I think. I see they still put Frankfurt at less than 60000 but they're at 80000 now; so there might be some other errors as well.

Perfect - thanks. 

In the chart I posted, it had Eintracht Braunschweig at less than 5k, but this one has over 5k which is nice to see. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

A massive 66 Euro a year.:)

We are cheaper :P 61 Euro. Finally became a member last year.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Faithcore said:

We are cheaper :P 61 Euro. Finally became a member last year.

Holy shit - Union Berlin is 120 euro a year O.o

Can't even find how much one for Eintracht Frankfurt is...but I am going to assume it's expensive as hell. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Eintracht Braunschweig are much cheaper I see. 67 Euros /year. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Eco said:

Can't even find how much one for Eintracht Frankfurt is...but I am going to assume it's expensive as hell. 

 

it's 76€ + a one-time admission fee of 20€ when you join for the first time.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, nudge said:

it's 76€ + a one-time admission fee of 20€ when you join for the first time.

That's not too bad really. I'm surprised Union Berlin and others are that much now that I have something to compare them to. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, Faithcore said:

We are cheaper :P 61 Euro. Finally became a member last year.

Did you get a Zebra?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Did you get a Zebra?

Almost! A scarf which I did not even pick up at our store.

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Faithcore said:

 

image-997978-galleryV9-cpwe-997978.jpg

That poor Zebra.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Faithcore said:

Almost! A scarf which I did not even pick up at our store.

Still better than a fucking Einkaufswagenchip I got xD 

  • Like 1
  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, nudge said:

Still better than a fucking Einkaufswagenchip I got xD 

A what???

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, Eco said:

A what???

Haha, I don't know if something like that exists in the US. It's a shopping cart chip. Basically in most grocery shops in Europe you have to put a coin into the handle of a shopping cart in order to "borrow" it when shopping (which you get back after returning the cart to the cart stand). Since it's not always possible and not very convenient to have a specific coin whenever you're shopping, there are chips the size of the coin made by companies to use instead of a 1€ coin. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, nudge said:

Haha, I don't know if something like that exists in the US. It's a shopping cart chip. Basically in most grocery shops in Europe you have to put a coin into the handle of a shopping cart in order to "borrow" it when shopping (which you get back after returning the cart to the cart stand). Since it's not always possible and not very convenient to have a specific coin whenever you're shopping, there are chips the size of the coin made by companies to use instead of a 1€ coin. 

Ah - funny enough, their is one grocery store that does this, Aldi, and they are from Sweden. 

Otherwise, that is a very foreign concept in America but genius really when you consider the amount of time and effort stores put in gathering up all of their carts in the parking lot. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, nudge said:

Still better than a fucking Einkaufswagenchip I got xD 

Would have preferred the Einkaufswagenchip.

MSV-Duisburg-Schal-Zebra-Family-blau.jpg

  • Haha 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Faithcore said:

Would have preferred the Einkaufswagenchip.

MSV-Duisburg-Schal-Zebra-Family-blau.jpg

Ok, that's pretty bad haha. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Ok, that's pretty bad haha. 

That's why I couldn't be bothered to drive to the story to pick that one up. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Advertisement