Russia and Ukraine

[Dr. Gonzo]

35 minutes ago, 6666 said:

So not much condemnation from politicians and instead the support to target and bomb even more hospitals, and maybe also adding schools, while saying Russia has the right to defend itself...?

I'd expect more said about it on social media sites but it's really not a peep about it on social media other than from people who only post about Ukraine. And then some Russian troll accounts denying it ever happened. I think there's a lot of people that only really focus on one issue and as a result, just ignore all the horrible things that happen in the world because they're busy with what's taken up their attention.

[Spike]

On 08/07/2024 at 13:19, Dr. Gonzo said:

Russia targeting a childrens hospital in Kiev deserves the same kind of international concern and condemnation a hospital getting struck in the Middle East by a Middle Eastern western ally would get.

 

Russia doesn't refute the attack or the targets and claims it was damage from a Ukrainian anti-air missile.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-bombardment-kyiv-childrens-hospital/33026086.html

 

[Azeem]

5 hours ago, Spike said:

 

Russia doesn't refute the attack or the targets and claims it was damage from a Ukrainian anti-air missile.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-bombardment-kyiv-childrens-hospital/33026086.html

 

 

[Spike]

8 hours ago, Azeem said:

 

Ludicrous, isn’t it?

[Azeem]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

Ludicrous, isn’t it?

Yes but it has happened far too many things around the world. That famous CNN headline U.S bombing a hospital in Afghanistan not a war crime. I get it there will always be some hegemon but these 'superpowers' (not just US) really need to change their course. World can't keep running like this much longer. 

The way I see it they have some overgrown entities like MIC, CIA etc which need to let out their aggression somewhere. They can either do that internally or externally outside their countries, obviously they pick the latter. 

[Spike]

9 minutes ago, Azeem said:

Yes but it has happened far too many things around the world. That famous CNN headline U.S bombing a hospital in Afghanistan not a war crime. I get it there will always be some hegemon but these 'superpowers' (not just US) really need to change their course. World can't keep running like this much longer. 

The way I see it they have some overgrown entities like MIC, CIA etc which need to let out their aggression somewhere. They can either do that internally or externally outside their countries, obviously they pick the latter. 

They pick both, mate. The CIA and FBI waged war on Americans, read the COINTELPRO reports.

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 10/07/2024 at 08:30, Azeem said:

I get it there will always be some hegemon but these 'superpowers' (not just US) really need to change their course. World can't keep running like this much longer. 

I don't think humans are smart enough to change the way they run the world. I feel like the world is getting eerily similar to how things were before the first World War and as we become further removed from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the world's collective memory of the horrors of nuclear war is going to wane to where it's not taken seriously by most people. Similar to how the horrors of the Napoleonic Wars faded from memory in Europe and 114 years later world powers would mass mobilise their massive armies like those wars hadn't ended -without much regard for how human's weapon technology meant fighting like that would lead to horrific carnage.

We're, for the most part, seeing major powers of the world begin to pick sides and those sides seem to be pushing for greater conflict with one another.

And an aside from that, I do think it's pretty strange how the mainstream media seems to treat hospital bombings as: Russia does it = bad; Israel does it = good; when very clearly both are bad. And at the same time, social media seems to be mostly filled with people saying Israel does it = bad; Russia does it = not even worthy of discussing.

I suppose it highlights the disconnect between mainstream media and social media, and what news they view as worthy of coverage & what people they view as deserving sympathy. And honestly, it's pretty shocking. Because neither proper journalists nor random people on social media should have anything but contempt for deliberate strikes on hospitals.

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't think humans are smart enough to change the way they run the world. I feel like the world is getting eerily similar to how things were before the first World War and as we become further removed from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the world's collective memory of the horrors of nuclear war is going to wane to where it's not taken seriously by most people. Similar to how the horrors of the Napoleonic Wars faded from memory in Europe and 114 years later world powers would mass mobilise their massive armies like those wars hadn't ended -without much regard for how human's weapon technology meant fighting like that would lead to horrific carnage.

We're, for the most part, seeing major powers of the world begin to pick sides and those sides seem to be pushing for greater conflict with one another.

And an aside from that, I do think it's pretty strange how the mainstream media seems to treat hospital bombings as: Russia does it = bad; Israel does it = good; when very clearly both are bad. And at the same time, social media seems to be mostly filled with people saying Israel does it = bad; Russia does it = not even worthy of discussing.

I suppose it highlights the disconnect between mainstream media and social media, and what news they view as worthy of coverage & what people they view as deserving sympathy. And honestly, it's pretty shocking. Because neither proper journalists nor random people on social media should have anything but contempt for deliberate strikes on hospitals.

But what is the fermenting reaction in cyclical nature of history? You've inadvertently channeled the spectre of Karl Marx with this post, and interestingly so. At the turn of the 20th century and up until the cold war, the fermentation was yielding environments of communist revolution or fascist revolution, sometimes both leading to conflict. IT was all over Europe and eventually made it's way to South America and Asia over the next fifty years. What are we seeing now? Liberalism slowly choking on it's last breath while being supplanted by fascism in North America and Europe, there is a very weak leftist response to this as a one hundred years of propagandising leftist thought has led to it's near universal pariah perception by western people, while fascism was never treated with such harsh criticism. Fascism was let to rest, recover, and be used as a tool to defend capital and liberalism, the propping of military juntas at the sake of socialist democracy in Chile, the student of Hitler set as an opposite to the communists of North Korea, the explicit undermining of socialist Black Americans taking direct action in their communities. Now that Liberalism, is on it's way out, what it is has cultivated is a disturbing beast indeed, Christian Fascists, Neo-Nazism in East-Germany and Ukraine, students of Mussolini being elected to Italian parliament. The world got lucky with the French election and the big brained 5D chess play Macron gambled on that no one saw coming, but how long will we be lucky?

[Dr. Gonzo]

13 minutes ago, Spike said:

But what is the fermenting reaction in cyclical nature of history? You've inadvertently channeled the spectre of Karl Marx with this post, and interestingly so. At the turn of the 20th century and up until the cold war, the fermentation was yielding environments of communist revolution or fascist revolution, sometimes both leading to conflict. IT was all over Europe and eventually made it's way to South America and Asia over the next fifty years. What are we seeing now? Liberalism slowly choking on it's last breath while being supplanted by fascism in North America and Europe, there is a very weak leftist response to this as a one hundred years of propagandising leftist thought has led to it's near universal pariah perception by western people, while fascism was never treated with such harsh criticism. Fascism was let to rest, recover, and be used as a tool to defend capital and liberalism, the propping of military juntas at the sake of socialist democracy in Chile, the student of Hitler set as an opposite to the communists of North Korea, the explicit undermining of socialist Black Americans taking direct action in their communities. Now that Liberalism, is on it's way out, what it is has cultivated is a disturbing beast indeed, Christian Fascists, Neo-Nazism in East-Germany and Ukraine, students of Mussolini being elected to Italian parliament. The world got lucky with the French election and the big brained 5D chess play Macron gambled on that no one saw coming, but how long will we be lucky?

Sadly, I don't think we'll be lucky for much longer.

[Spike]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sadly, I don't think we'll be lucky for much longer.

We're unfortunately seeing people become more aware of what is happening but giving half-measured and late responses to the growing discrepancy in economic class growth. Frustratingly Australia and the UK for instance finally broke the spell and voted in Labor/Labour governments but sadly these are both Centrist responses to a failed 'radical' economic plan on the prior elections. The people compromised change for a weaker centrist down the line, I'd say this is also true in the USA but the Democrats are just Tories and Libs that have convinced the population they aren't.

[OrangeKhrush]

Ukraine have managed to break into the Kursk region and have not only held ground but taken more territory.

It is both shocking and impressive.  Keep up the good work

[Azeem]

Really hope they do one with a bigger plane next time so we can finally settle the debate whether jet fuel can melt steel beams or not

[Azeem]

This is destroying nature, next they'll go contaminating water sources. This war will set precedent of future conflicts

[Azeem]

Some people bring up the fact that Romans and Persians were at war with each other taking a toll on both making it easy for the early Arab expansions. This is true, it did help but they bring it up mostly to dilute the credit of Arabs like how did they managed to kaput both in a relatively short time. 

But that's nothing to take credit away from them bcz this is how the world works, eggs and flour of history. U.S only became a superpower because the European colonial powers instead of agreeing to a power sharing formula mass slaughtered each other twice over mainly imperial greed, specially the first one.

Similarly we are seeing again for ourselves NATO-Russia attriting each other and the biggest beneficiary of that is China. 

[Azeem]

One of the main reasons Ukraine war can't go on like Afghanistan for decades like people are saying. Either this ends in next 3 years or so or other countries have to step in directly

[Harry]

I suspect Putin is waiting for the outcome of the US election, and will let the outcome dictate how much he tries to leverage to come away with something.

I feel really sorry for Ukraine having their date decided by foreign countries elections.

[OrangeKhrush]

Was watching a good video covering the success of the F16s provided to Ukraine have had at not only halting russian air supremacy but Russia are to scared to opperate in Ukrainian airspace and resorted to stand off missile attacks against cities rather than against military infrastructure.

A SU35 was shot down by a F16 in russian airspace again leading questions as to just how effective the S300 and S400 systems are.

Russia will have depleted all its national resource reserves by mid 2025.   Ukraine only need to hold on a bit longer,  possibly one more onslaught before Russia is broken.

Russias losses are eye watering,  per NATO,  over 600 000 casualties with nearly 200 000 dead about 60% of Russias total active military.  Over 10000 vehicles of various types actively assessed by satelite surveillance showing depleting fields of stored tanks including nearly every T-80 surplus depleted.  The airforce has taken some losses,  mostly helicopters and SU25s but there have been worrying losses to SU34s and 35s which make up the most modern aircraft russia possesses.

Ukraine are taking losses but their defence has been very strong,  they dont have enough to push russia back but if NATO was to help they will drive Russia out of UKraine and Crimea with relative ease.