Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The president went out to say they will exterminate all criminal groups in Guayaquil and the coast, and as a result the armed groups went out to Universities, TV shows live and other places to take hostages including policemen. Looks like we might have an "El Salvador" issue on our hands here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Hopefully Peru closes the border. DO NOT take these people in should they escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 They are taking this in a very "El Salvador" approach. That precedent will make things tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Fucking terrifying what is going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Gonzo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 58 minutes ago, Goku de la Boca said: Hopefully Peru closes the border. DO NOT take these people in should they escape. If it's a full on civil war, wouldn't most people fleeing be people that don't want to have their lives upended because of civil war? So refugees? Wouldn't the criminals that want drug traffickers running free be the ones fighting against the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: If it's a full on civil war, wouldn't most people fleeing be people that don't want to have their lives upended because of civil war? So refugees? Wouldn't the criminals that want drug traffickers running free be the ones fighting against the government? Last time we imported foreigners it didn't go well. I am not trying to be xenophobic but the stats don't lie that 7 out of 8 mafias in Lima are foreign. There is no regulation on who comes in which for me is the issue. Also we're not really in a position to take in refugees. We're one of the better countries in SA but we still have a lot of current problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Goku de la Boca said: Also we're not really in a position to take in refugees. That's not really an excuse. Iran's not in a position to take in refugees... and has a highest refugee population in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 These criminals need to be eradicated. Absolute animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: That's not really an excuse. Iran's not in a position to take in refugees... and has a highest refugee population in the world. I don't think Peru is a good choice for many reasons. The Venezuelan mafias have left a bad image on people who leave their countries for this sort of thing so people have become very xenophobic here and that is the sort of thing that creates criminals regardless of the person. If the Ecuadorians come as refugees after this sort of news which reminds us of the mafias here, they will NOT be received well by the locals. Also, I don't think this is the same situation at all but when the Rwandan genociders got accepted in Congo as refugees, it started 2 continental wars specifically in that country. For me, I would be very careful about who we accept in. Regulate it strongly or close the borders. Bukele has shown that these people deserve to rot in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Goku de la Boca said: I don't think Peru is a good choice for many reasons. The Venezuelan mafias have left a bad image on people who leave their countries for this sort of thing so people have become very xenophobic here and that is the sort of thing that creates criminals regardless of the person. If the Ecuadorians come as refugees after this sort of news which reminds us of the mafias here, they will NOT be received well by the locals. There's always going to be large swaths of populations that are against refugees coming in, in any country. Human rights are human rights though and with drug traficking violence kicking off in a South American country, if neighboring states just close the borders and leave innocent people to die.. it's something that will live long in the memories of Ecuadorians. South America's been plagued with so many of the issues that have made the Middle East the absolute shitshow it is today, but I find it interesting and also alarming how few South Americans really care about the human rights of their neighbors. There's little sense of solidarity or compassion for human rights. It's interesting where literal murderous thugs running a theocratic dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights itself seem to demonstrate more compassion and humanity for their neighbors than some other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, Goku de la Boca said: I don't think Peru is a good choice for many reasons. The Venezuelan mafias have left a bad image on people who leave their countries for this sort of thing so people have become very xenophobic here and that is the sort of thing that creates criminals regardless of the person. If the Ecuadorians come as refugees after this sort of news which reminds us of the mafias here, they will NOT be received well by the locals. Also, I don't think this is the same situation at all but when the Rwandan genociders got accepted in Congo as refugees, it started 2 continental wars specifically in that country. For me, I would be very careful about who we accept in. Regulate it strongly or close the borders. Bukele has shown that these people deserve to rot in prison. This reminds me of a quote from deceased German politician Walter Scheel:" It isn't a politician's job to do the popular thing, but to do the right thing and to ensure it becomes popular." Or in other words, if Peruvian politicians don't let refugees in because that might resonate bad with their population they're a bunch of spineless cowards, who fail at their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: There's always going to be large swaths of populations that are against refugees coming in, in any country. Human rights are human rights though and with drug traficking violence kicking off in a South American country, if neighboring states just close the borders and leave innocent people to die.. it's something that will live long in the memories of Ecuadorians. South America's been plagued with so many of the issues that have made the Middle East the absolute shitshow it is today, but I find it interesting and also alarming how few South Americans really care about the human rights of their neighbors. There's little sense of solidarity or compassion for human rights. It's interesting where literal murderous thugs running a theocratic dictatorship that doesn't respect human rights itself seem to demonstrate more compassion and humanity for their neighbors than some other countries. I know, but I think you need to understand why we've become distrustful of the regulation of which people from the other countries come in. Lima only has 1 local mafia out of 8. The rest are foreigners. When the Venezuelans came in, it was mostly illegal immigrants gang members. All the legal Venezuelans were genuine and top class, but the illegals left a bad mark on their nationality for Peru. I have a few Venezuelan friends here who had to leave because a Venezuelan succeeding here is almost impossible now. Point is, we need to have stricter regulations. I'm all for accepting refugees as long as they aren't gang members who created all the mayhem over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Just now, Rucksackfranzose said: This reminds me of a qute from deceased German politician Walter Scheel:" It isn't a politician's job to do the popular thing, but to do the right thing and to ensure it becomes popular." Or in other words, if Peruvian politicians don't let refugees in because that might resonate bad with their population they're a bunch of spineless cowards, who fail at their job. The Peruvian government is and always has been incompetent. We are probably the 2nd best South American country after Chile but it is mostly down to the current constitution and the military keeping things in order. The politicians tend to make piss decisions themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Goku de la Boca said: I know, but I think you need to understand why we've become distrustful of the regulation of which people from the other countries come in. Lima only has 1 local mafia out of 8. The rest are foreigners. Do you think Iranians aren't distrustful of refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan? Iraq had a long and bloody war where their former leader commit genocide against Kurds (decent chunk of Iran's population is Kurdish) & Shia Muslims (the overwhelming majority of Iranians) - and after the US came in and fucked Iraq up, ISIS spread... ISIS's biggest victims, despite what the media might have you believe are not westerners in Europe... but Shia Muslims across the Middle East. Syria also suffered with the spread of ISIS from Iraq into their borders. And the Taliban in Afghanistan, has targeted ethnic Persian Tajikis in Afghanistan & Shia Muslims. Just last week almost 100 people died and 200 more injured from an ISIS attack in Iran. Iranians have more reason to be distrustful of refugees and those who cross into its border than Peruvians, because terrorists who think you deserve to die because you follow believe in a slightly different version of the sale fairy tale story we know as a religion are a hell of a lot more dangerous than any criminal gang. Turkey and Iran aren't bastions of human rights, they're pretty far from it. But the fact they take in so many refugees from neighboring countries is to be commended. If you turn your back on your neighbors, just don't be surprised if they hate you for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Do you think Iranians aren't distrustful of refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan? Iraq had a long and bloody war where their former leader commit genocide against Kurds (decent chunk of Iran's population is Kurdish) & Shia Muslims (the overwhelming majority of Iranians) - and after the US came in and fucked Iraq up, ISIS spread... ISIS's biggest victims, despite what the media might have you believe are not westerners in Europe... but Shia Muslims across the Middle East. Syria also suffered with the spread of ISIS from Iraq into their borders. And the Taliban in Afghanistan, has targeted ethnic Persian Tajikis in Afghanistan & Shia Muslims. Just last week almost 100 people died and 200 more injured from an ISIS attack in Iran. Iranians have more reason to be distrustful of refugees and those who cross into its border than Peruvians, because terrorists who think you deserve to die because you follow believe in a slightly different version of the sale fairy tale story we know as a religion are a hell of a lot more dangerous than any criminal gang. Turkey and Iran aren't bastions of human rights, they're pretty far from it. But the fact they take in so many refugees from neighboring countries is to be commended. If you turn your back on your neighbors, just don't be surprised if they hate you for it. I agree with you, I'm just saying it can be dangerous if you don't regulate it. Venezuela hates us especially now because of how we've treated their citizens and it 100% was xenophobia because the legal Venezuelans who came in genuinely did it to succeed in life and not to hold Peruvians ransom from their own homes, but the latter, illegal citizens have ruined it for everyone. Same thing happened in Chile sadly. The reason most come to us and Chile and not Brazil is because there is nothing more strict than Brazilian border crossing. Not everyone can just waltz in there. Also because we 2 have the highest quality of life in SA atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 It has begun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Obviously this is nothing new, but you can clearly see that the street gangs(not Cartels, but the street gangs) in Latin America are largely heavily influenced by USA gang culture. The way they dress, the gang signs, the music, etc. In fact, those clowns in the video, who took hostages live on TV, appear to be a street gang, but are committing a crime with the level of organisation expected from a Cartel. I'm guessing the Cartels have the street gangs working for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Carnivore Chris said: Obviously this is nothing new, but you can clearly see that the street gangs(not Cartels, but the street gangs) in Latin America are largely heavily influenced by USA gang culture. The way they dress, the gang signs, the music, etc. In fact, those clowns in the video, who took hostages live on TV, appear to be a street gang, but are committing a crime with the level of organisation expected from a Cartel. I'm guessing the Cartels have the street gangs working for them. This is very likely. Even when we had the socialist protests last year here in Peru, most of the people were funded by Evo Morales and the Cartel. Those people didn't have enough money to travel between cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 This twitter user is one of the most left wing agenda driven users on Twitter and I think he's a cunt, but the news he shares here is very worrying. We're 100% taking these criminals into Peru if they are expunged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 A big crime boss from there has escaped from prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 And the security has begun on the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 10 Administrator Share Posted January 10 Is a country actually that good if the military have to keep things in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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