Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted March 17, 2019 Subscriber Posted March 17, 2019 Love a bit of hysteria over Ferrari team orders. Teams routinely tell their drivers to hold position if they're running one after the other in the closing stages with nothing to gain in terms of further positions. What would have been the point of letting them race? Best case scenario they get 4th and 5th which is what they already had. Worst case they both end up in the fence.
Moderator Tommy Posted March 17, 2019 Moderator Posted March 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Love a bit of hysteria over Ferrari team orders. Teams routinely tell their drivers to hold position if they're running one after the other in the closing stages with nothing to gain in terms of further positions. What would have been the point of letting them race? Best case scenario they get 4th and 5th which is what they already had. Worst case they both end up in the fence. But people love to love Charles, and love to hate on Seb. Anyway, did you guys see Ocon clapping and smiling next to Toto as Vallteri won? He was dead inside
MUFC Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tommy said: Not if they really have reliability issues when the engine is fully turned up. I'm convinced that must be it. They just didn't lose their pace overnight. I hope they can fix it. Maybe it's just a software issue with the PU or something. Supporting Ferrari is really depressing btw. It was Vettel who had the problem, charles made loads up on him, but maybe they wanted to play it safe and not take risks? Oh Tommy.
nudge Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, RandoEFC said: Love a bit of hysteria over Ferrari team orders. Teams routinely tell their drivers to hold position if they're running one after the other in the closing stages with nothing to gain in terms of further positions. What would have been the point of letting them race? Best case scenario they get 4th and 5th which is what they already had. Worst case they both end up in the fence. 1 hour ago, Tommy said: But people love to love Charles, and love to hate on Seb. I absolutely hate team orders; a racer shouldn't have to ask for permission to overtake and the team should favour the faster driver. I mean it's definitely understandable if it’s late on in the season and one of the drivers has the title at stake but first race of the season against a teammate who's much slower due to worn tires and potential PU issues? Come on...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted March 17, 2019 Subscriber Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, nudge said: I absolutely hate team orders; a racer shouldn't have to ask for permission to overtake and the team should favour the faster driver. I mean it's definitely understandable if it’s late on in the season and one of the drivers has the title at stake but first race of the season against a teammate who's much slower due to worn tires and potential PU issues? Come on... The only other sensible option is for Ferrari to ask Seb to let Leclerc past him but if they did, Vettel would have been well within his rights to say why? There was nothing to gain by doing that or by letting them race. Letting them race would have been stupid and asking Vettel to move over for Charles would have achieved nothing for the team, and would still have been team orders, so presumably everyone would be complaining just as much as they are now (Yeah right).
nudge Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: The only other sensible option is for Ferrari to ask Seb to let Leclerc past him but if they did, Vettel would have been well within his rights to say why? There was nothing to gain by doing that or by letting them race. Letting them race would have been stupid and asking Vettel to move over for Charles would have achieved nothing for the team, and would still have been team orders, so presumably everyone would be complaining just as much as they are now (Yeah right). I disagree. As Seb said himself, he was not in a position to fight anybody at that point. He let Max through without a fight as well as he was just trying to bring the car home... Leclerc would have gotten past him just as easily. For me it's absurd to think that a simple overtake against a slower teammate who's not up for fight can be viewed as a risk that's not worth taking.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted March 17, 2019 Subscriber Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, nudge said: I disagree. As Seb said himself, he was not in a position to fight anybody at that point. He let Max through without a fight as well as he was just trying to bring the car home... Leclerc would have gotten past him just as easily. For me it's absurd to think that a simple overtake against a slower teammate who's not up for fight can be viewed as a risk that's not worth taking. What for though? Charles wasn't getting 3rd. It sounds like he asked if they were okay to race and therefore initiated the exchange. Any risk which gains the team nothing is a risk that isn't worth taking even if the risk of them colliding is basically zero.
Moderator Tommy Posted March 17, 2019 Moderator Posted March 17, 2019 Oh my god. Ferrari weren't allowed to have the "Mission Win Now" branding on the cars and clothes. How were they supposed to know that they are supposed to win? Now I get it, duh.
nudge Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: What for though? Charles wasn't getting 3rd. It sounds like he asked if they were okay to race and therefore initiated the exchange. Any risk which gains the team nothing is a risk that isn't worth taking even if the risk of them colliding is basically zero. I understand how from the team's point of view it makes sense to just hold the positions until the end but I find it over-cautious and unfair to a driver who's faster and should get more points for himself; that's too much of risk aversion for my liking.
MUFC Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 I agree nudge, F1 is unique in terms of being a team sport but also racing for yourself.
Moderator Tommy Posted March 17, 2019 Moderator Posted March 17, 2019 https://streamable.com/vy3gc What was that garage entry anyway? Designed for Smarts?
MUFC Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 Ferraro one is good. https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThrustMaster-Ferrari-Add-Wheel-Xbox/dp/B005PPOBQE
Moderator Tommy Posted March 18, 2019 Moderator Posted March 18, 2019 Oh MUFC. Never change Anyway. Australian GP best of Team Radio:
Administrator Stan Posted March 18, 2019 Administrator Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tommy said: Oh MUFC. Never change Anyway. Australian GP best of Team Radio: Hulk at the end And Perez' engineer (while Perez drives in to the pit lane) sounding like a parent that knows the answer but wants his kid to own up to it first
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