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17 minutes ago, Danny said:

You’ve been caught up in the Arsenal winning games hype and trying to conflate it to a wider level of failing at a level they’re yet to achieve.

Arsenal aren’t a side who can seize top 4 with utmost certainty this season, putting that expectation on them is overhyping them. They’re not that good as a team and they lack at the very least a 20-30+ goal a season striker, another centre mid and another centre back to be competitive with Gabriel and White, not Rob Holding.

They've spent like an elitist European club for the past 5 years, and now they are entering a Premier League season having no European football and spending the most in England the previous window. Sorry, but my expectations are right where they should be.

Since the first three games of the season they have performed well and are deservedly where they should be, fitness and a reduction of games being the biggest benefactor. Beating City convincingly would've added to their confidence in the long run knowing that game is out of the way. 

What makes it more difficult for me to really rationalise with you is over the years you've constantly criticsed our spending and our failure to match it with silverware and/or with a more expansive brand of football. 

17 minutes ago, shut up said:

You've made yourself look a right tit in this thread. xD

Doesn't support either of the teams but is posting like the most rattled person in the thread

Not rattled at all. Just stating a opinion that has blatantly made you emotional considering it's now led to personal insults. To suggest I need to log off is a bit comical. 

End of the day, you lost because you were down to 10 men. Gabriel didn't need to do what he did. That's my point. 

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7 minutes ago, Danny said:

Peter Walton is giving a dreadful defence of VAR here, regardless of what it was brought in for, if there’s a penalty on the pitch then give it.

That not the var officials fault though  they are told to not recomend the referee goes to the monitor unless there is a clear and obvious error. The problem is though is that clear and obvious means something the ref missed. So if a ref didnt think there was a sliding leg and there was it gets put down as a clear and obvious error. The problem is we don't want the game being stopped all the time. However of they said the referee should look at the monitor if they thought it was more likely the ref got it wrong but not clear and obvious we may get more consistency. 

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Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

That not the var officials fault though  they are told to not recomend the referee goes to the monitor unless there is a clear and obvious error. The problem is though is that clear and obvious means something the ref missed. So if a ref didnt think there was a sliding leg and there was it gets put down as a clear and obvious error. The problem is we don't want the game being stopped all the time. However of they said the referee should look at the monitor if they thought it was more likely the ref got it wrong but not clear and obvious we may get more consistency. 

Mate, why are you so quick to defend bad decisions? The VAR has the replay of the first penalty, he can see that Ederson doesn’t touch the ball, but makes contact with the player. That’s been missed by the on field ref, so why is he not being advised to look at it? Both incidents have the same level of ‘clear and obvious’. You can’t give one and not the other. 
 

These referees are constantly let off and not pulled up on their mistakes, and it’s because there are people (including yourself) constantly making excuses for them, as if they shouldn’t be held accountable for these wrong decisions.  

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13 minutes ago, Cicero said:

They've spent like an elitist European club for the past 5 years, and now they are entering a Premier League season having no European football and spending the most in England the previous window. Sorry, but my expectations are right where they should be.

Since the first three games of the season they have performed well and are deservedly where they should be, fitness and a reduction of games being the biggest benefactor. Beating City convincingly would've added to their confidence in the long run knowing that game is out of the way. 

What makes it more difficult for me to really rationalise with you is over the years you've constantly criticsed our spending and our failure to match it with silverware and/or with a more expansive brand of football. 

Not rattled at all. Just stating a opinion that has blatantly made you emotional considering it's now led to personal insults. To suggest I need to log off is a bit comical. 

End of the day, you lost because you were down to 10 men. Gabriel didn't need to do what he did. That's my point. 

If Martinelli doesn't bottle the open goal after Laporte's near own goal, Gabriel doesn't get sent off straight after :ph34r:

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2 minutes ago, Rick said:

Mate, why are you so quick to defend bad decisions? The VAR has the replay of the first penalty, he can see that Ederson doesn’t touch the ball, but makes contact with the player. That’s been missed by the on field ref, so why is he not being advised to look at it? Both incidents have the same level of ‘clear and obvious’. You can’t give one and not the other. 
 

These referees are constantly let off and not pulled up on their mistakes, and it’s because there are people (including yourself) constantly making excuses for them, as if they shouldn’t be held accountable for these wrong decisions.  

Are these bad/controversial decisions though? Look at the Ederson challenge again. More importantly, the tweet @shut up posted on page 3. There is enough of an argument that Odegaard catches him first on the ankle? 

Regarding the B.Silva penalty, to me, it looked like he was looking for the contact. Then again, on other angles it did look like Xhaka made contact. 

These are marginal decisions at best. 

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1 minute ago, Rick said:

Mate, why are you so quick to defend bad decisions? The VAR has the replay of the first penalty, he can see that Ederson doesn’t touch the ball, but makes contact with the player. That’s been missed by the on field ref, so why is he not being advised to look at it? Both incidents have the same level of ‘clear and obvious’. You can’t give one and not the other. 
 

These referees are constantly let off and not pulled up on their mistakes, and it’s because there are people (including yourself) constantly making excuses for them, as if they shouldn’t be held accountable for these wrong decisions.  

Mate I'm devastated by the decisions today. I almost chucked my tv out the window. Both penalty claims are debatable. We are debating in this forum. I dont think either should have been changed. But I do think it is partly due the system. Var officials are told not to recommend the ref goes to the monitor unless they are shore.  There was debate over both decisions. I think if they were allowed to go on what was more likely that would maybe be better. 

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Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

Mate I'm devastated by the decisions today. I almost chucked my tv out the window. Both penalty claims are debatable. We are debating in this forum. I dont think either should have been changed. But I do think it is partly due the system. Var officials are told not to recommend the ref goes to the monitor unless they are shore.  There was debate over both decisions. I think if they were allowed to go on what was more likely that would maybe be better. 

This. Both calls were marginal yet fans are making out this was some controversial scandal. 

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Arsenals net spend is third over the last 5 years. Chelsea have spent more than us getting players in. But they had better players that they were able to get more money for. When you take into account that man utd, city and Chelsea have spent more and that liverpool have one of the best managers in the world I don't think it's an underachievement to  not get top 4. We shouldn't be finishing 8th though 

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3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

This. Both calls were marginal yet fans are making out this was some controversial scandal. 

Fans are saying that because there is no reason why both incidents weren’t treated in the same way. Every single call today favoured City.  

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3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

This. Both calls were marginal yet fans are making out this was some controversial scandal. 

Exactly. I'd have to hear why they overalled man city's penalty claim and not ours. I don't see how people can claim there was no debate over either as we are debating it on here ourselves.

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That was one of the most one-sided refereeing performances I have ever seen at this level. The lack of consistency in that second half was shocking.

There is no way even with all the technology, media and scrutiny that this level of football is above corruption.

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3 minutes ago, Rick said:

Fans are saying that because there is no reason why both incidents weren’t treated in the same way. Every single call today favoured City.  

That I agree with. I dont know why they reviewed citys and not ours. I didn't mind us  not getting a penalty but for them to then get one did seem unfair. 

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Full sympathy to the Arsenal fans by the way but at least there's a togetherness in this side that we've not seen in a very long time when it comes to Arsenal. I thought Edu had lost the plot with some of the fees they paid in the summer but they've created the nucleus for a very good squad.

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7 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

Arsenals net spend is third over the last 5 years. Chelsea have spent more than us getting players in. But they had better players that they were able to get more money for. When you take into account that man utd, city and Chelsea have spent more and that liverpool have one of the best managers in the world I don't think it's an underachievement to  not get top 4. We shouldn't be finishing 8th though 

Based on expenditure and the lack of European football you should be finishing 5th at the bare minimum imo. Considering United's capitulation under Ole has given you a head start to make 4th your own against Spurs. 

6 minutes ago, Rick said:

Fans are saying that because there is no reason why both incidents weren’t treated in the same way. Every single call today favoured City.  

Right but you can't look at both penalties and say this was a blatant robbery. There was more than enough evidence to suggest each decision was marginal. Every angle told a story but based on all viewings I think they got them right. Even after I intially thought the B.Silva one wasn't a penalty. 

If you want to talk about tactical fouling, I agree. Pep and City haven't gotten away with it for far too long. 

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Just now, Cicero said:

 

If you want to talk about tactical fouling, I agree. Pep and City haven't gotten away with it for far too long. 

I remember when Rodri signed and went back to Spain on international duty in October the first thing he mentioned when the media asked him about what it's like to play for Pep was how he's being taught to make more fouls when not in possession xD

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4 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said:

Full sympathy to the Arsenal fans by the way but at least there's a togetherness in this side that we've not seen in a very long time when it comes to Arsenal. I thought Edu had lost the plot with some of the fees they paid in the summer but they've created the nucleus for a very good squad.

Almost a blessing in disguise they don't have European football, either.

Gives the new signings and the squad to gel and gain consistency/momentum etc. Definitely helps. I was surprised at the fee they paid for Ben White but he's done very well. Tomiyasu is the best of the lot though.

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@Cicero utd still have some great players though. Spurs also have one of the best coaches in the world as well. I think it would  a lot harder than some think. You'd have to be a very decent coach to get in that top 4 I think.  If we get it I think it shows arteta is at least a good coach. Not world class but good. But as the club as a whole I agree it would be an underachievement. But  I don't think it should all be blamed on arteta. And I wanted him out last season.

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Just now, The Palace Fan said:

I remember when Rodri signed and went back to Spain on international duty in October the first thing he mentioned when the media asked him about what it's like to play for Pep was how he's being taught to make more fouls when not in possession xD

It's ridiculous and it just highlights the officiating in the league in general. It's been going on for years though as I remember an interview from Ballack all the way back in 2006 when he said officials are a lot more lenient in showing cards in England then the Bundesliga or Europe. Pep has taken full advantage of that. 

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10 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said:

That was one of the most one-sided refereeing performances I have ever seen at this level. The lack of consistency in that second half was shocking.

There is no way even with all the technology, media and scrutiny that this level of football is above corruption.

I think it's a bit extreme to suggest corruption. I mean you might be right but I would want more evidence than that 

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1 minute ago, Cicero said:

It's ridiculous and it just highlights the officiating in the league in general. It's been going on for years though as I remember an interview from Ballack all the way back in 2006 when he said officials are a lot more lenient in showing cards in England then the Bundesliga or Europe. Pep has taken full advantage of that. 

All I remember of Ballacks first season was him pulling people's shirts xD.

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