Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 20, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 20, 2022 On the silly yoyo debate there are currently only really 4 and they are Norwich, Watford, Bournemouth and Fulham. When you spend 10 years outside the Premier League then play 9 years in a row in it, you aren't really yoyo. --- As for what really matters. It really is hard to know where to start with us now. I think we're really in danger of having a season like Everton did last year - and I'm not convinced this lot have the same fight to get themselves out of it. They might discover it within them if things get genuinely precarious but the direction of travel is actually quite worrying to me at this point. It's beyond thinking we've pissed a top 4 chance up the wall but it's more that we really are sleepwalking into a relegation battle. We could be bottom of the league on Monday and we've played Brentford and Southampton at home. That's as bad a start as I can remember from us. The majority of our games in the last year weren't actually all that dissimilar to today. I think we've taken the mental weakness up further a notch and we're clearly absolutely shot to bits to a point there's zero belief to see a game out. Even when we scored today we just dropped unbelievably deep. There was a point not all that long ago that we'd have pushed and probably got 2/3 against a very inexperienced Southampton side. But we just stood off and waited for the inevitable collapse. Brentford at home. 2-0 up. Bottled. Arsenal away. 2-0 down, brought back to 2-1, conceded within a minute. Brought back to 3-2, conceded within a minute AGAIN. Southampton at home. 1-0 up. Lost. It's absolutely disgraceful. It's indefensible. If Fulham or Bournemouth produced that they would be getting written off as heading off back to the Championship and there wouldn't be too many arguments. Rodgers is obviously finished here. There is absolutely no way on this planet he turns this round. Suit all parties and wish him good luck. It's getting sour now. He isn't liked by the fans (which is mental when you think what's actually happened under him and yet it's true, and that isn't by accident) and I don't think he's too keen on the fans himself. We've been playing appalling football for ages now. We are time and time again having dreadful displays patched over by a Maddison wondergoal or a defensive howler gifting us a chance rather than any cohesive football that opens up the oppposition. There's only so long you can sustain it. This is before you even get onto the players. Our number of players who I think you can rely on to pull us through these tricky times are dwindling. Fofana's done here. Tielemans looks similar. Schmeichel has gone. Soyuncu isn't going to play again under this manager. We're relegation candidates for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 The lack of investment is the problem, the question is why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 20, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Whiskey said: I don't understand how it's got so bad for Leicester. We've been awful since about February 2021. FA Cup win largely papered over cracks if you're judging solely off performances, last season finishing 8th was a huge hoodwink. We should've been about where you were performance wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 20, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: The lack of investment is the problem, the question is why We had our highest net spend ever last summer and not a single player brought in started for us today. The recruitment has been appalling. We've deviated from how we did things before which was to make one big sale and spend the proceeds. No surprise that once we stop a) selling a key player and b) buying good ones we go to shit. The whole thing just stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 56 minutes ago, Stan said: Making the point that just because things happened decades ago or that you're old enough to remember them, doesn't mean it still applies now. What goes around comes around Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Not that I'm biting, but FWIW, I suspect Villa's 7 league titles, 7 FA Cups, 5 league cups & 1 European Cup. Admittedly a large portion dating back to the 19th century & early 20th. And with 31 of the last 34 years in the top flight. Surely adds up to make them more a sleeping giant or a former powerhouse, that went through a slow, protracted decline in recent decades, rather than a yo-yo club. Right now, at least. Incidentally rather trumps Spurs 2 league titles (not added to as recently as Villa, nevermind Leicester) 8 FA Cups, 4 league cups & 1 cup winners cup. When you take into account full history & so on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 9 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: The lack of investment is the problem, the question is why The question has been answered before. 9 hours ago, Chickasaw said: What goes around comes around Stan. This makes no sense in the context of the conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Stan said: The question has been answered before. This makes no sense in the context of the conversation Yes it does Stan, it means history repeating itself and that applies all the time. I've seen the same old teams struggle time and time again since 1961 when Spurs won the double, Leicester being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Reluctant Striker said: Not that I'm biting, but FWIW, I suspect Villa's 7 league titles, 7 FA Cups, 5 league cups & 1 European Cup. Admittedly a large portion dating back to the 19th century & early 20th. And with 31 of the last 34 years in the top flight. Surely adds up to make them more a sleeping giant or a former powerhouse, that went through a slow, protracted decline in recent decades, rather than a yo-yo club. Right now, at least. Incidentally rather trumps Spurs 2 league titles (not added to as recently as Villa, nevermind Leicester) 8 FA Cups, 4 league cups & 1 cup winners cup. When you take into account full history & so on.. There's nothing to bite, I'm NOT provoking a reaction RS. I don't see why you've brought Villa's record compared to Spurs' into this conversation. Just because Villa have a better record than Spurs doesn't preclude me from commenting does it? I remember Villa being relegated more times than Spurs but that's totally irrelevant. Leicester, over the decades is a club I have seen relegated a few times. I've seen it struggle to survive and I've seen it win cups and now the PL. At the moment it's a struggling club which may lose its best players, I'm not gloating, it's not my nature but I've seen this all before. Also no, I don't particularly want to see Leicester relegated any more than any other club. I've been there and wouldn't wish it on anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, Chickasaw said: Yes it does Stan, it means history repeating itself and that applies all the time. I've seen the same old teams struggle time and time again since 1961 when Spurs won the double, Leicester being one of them. It's such a different time though. You keep living in the past and talking about the 60s. I'll carry on living in the present with the knowledge and understanding that my club is not a yo-yo club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 21, 2022 Wait Villa were called a yo-yo club? Yeah sorry this debate is just silly. I'm not engaging in such nonsense from this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,670 Posted August 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 21, 2022 I'm honestly surprised people have been replying to guff about the 1960s being relevant to modern football for this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Are The Bubbles in for a relegation scrap again I wonder, 0-2 now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 21, 2022 I did wonder if they'd have a bit of a dip this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dan said: I did wonder if they'd have a bit of a dip this year. Could become a bit of a yo-yo club!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Stan said: Could become a bit of a yo-yo club!!!! To me they are, like you but on a very long string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: I'm honestly surprised people have been replying to guff about the 1960s being relevant to modern football for this long. The only time I've mentioned the sixties is to state that it was then I started to support Spurs. All I'm claiming is, history repeats itself..........that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chickasaw said: To me they are, like you but on a very long string. So you're a WUM? Got it. Thanks. Have a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Posted at 16:4816:48 Post update West Ham 0-2 Brighton David Moyes scratches his head. A lot of work to do after this. Four minutes added on. Article Reactions May as well be scratching his arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stan said: So you're a WUM? Got it. Thanks. Have a good day. NO, friendly banter Stan, that's all. No offence meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,670 Posted August 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 21, 2022 West Ham the first team to hit 3 defeats out of 3 them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 21, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 21, 2022 Bournemouth are the only side I'm confident will drop. Even Fulham already I think look better this time around. Leicester, Everton, Aston Villa and West Ham all making absolutely dreadful starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 59 minutes ago, Dan said: Bournemouth are the only side I'm confident will drop. Even Fulham already I think look better this time around. Leicester, Everton, Aston Villa and West Ham all making absolutely dreadful starts. I'm not confident for the next 6 games either. And that's worrying for even someone like me Chelsea A Man Utd H Brighton A Villa H Spurs A Forest H The only games I can envisage getting any points is Man Utd and Villa at home. Even then I'm barely confident of those. We're not winning any of those away, not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N U F C 171 Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 West Ham off to a nightmare start, don’t think they’ve beat Brighton since they got promoted about six years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,397 Posted August 21, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2022 West Ham haven't scored any goals either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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