Kowabunga Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 On 16/6/2018 at 00:19, Dr. Gonzo said: https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/trump-russia-crimea?utm_term=.qneg5XGqB#.ytKz1W6PD using this logic, America is part of the British Empire again. Don't get me started in South Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I hate it when people say they 'want Trump to fail'. WHY!? It affects us, the worse he does; the worse we are. It's cutting the nose to spite the face. Bill Maher wants their to be a recession so Trumps gets kicked out of office. WHAT!? I personally am not worth $100,000,000 and I could lose my job in a recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Spike said: I hate it when people say they 'want Trump to fail'. WHY!? It affects us, the worse he does; the worse we are. It's cutting the nose to spite the face. Bill Maher wants their to be a recession so Trumps gets kicked out of office. WHAT!? I personally am not worth $100,000,000 and I could lose my job in a recession. Because if trump succeeds it likely means the end of the G7 and the international order and will likely give rise to more anti establishment isolationist candidates across the world that history has proven leads to greater disaster time and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Harry said: Because if trump succeeds it likely means the end of the G7 and the international order and will likely give rise to more anti establishment isolationist candidates across the world that history has proven leads to greater disaster time and again. Not my point. I said 'do well' not 'succeed in all his endeavours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Spike said: Not my point. I said 'do well' not 'succeed in all his endeavours. I don't see how he can do well as a president when his policies are so bad. His goals are basically to alienate the US's closest allies, start trade wars to pull the US out of the world economy (which is particularly bad for US consumers when you look at those tarrifs on China). He's made someone who doesn't believe the government should spend money on education in charge of education policies, has made an oil lobbyist head of the EPA, has made someone who's turned the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau into the Protection of Finance Companies from their Consumers Bureau, slashed the State department and done all he can to tarnish America's soft power (diplomacy by actual diplomats, rather than the President meeting with dictators for that dictator's propaganda). The best thing he could do as president is convince Pence to resign and then also resign. Because he won't do that and because his policies are awful for most people in the western world... it's much easier to hope he fails, rather than wait around indefinitely for him.to pull his head from his arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I don't see how he can do well as a president when his policies are so bad. His goals are basically to alienate the US's closest allies, start trade wars to pull the US out of the world economy (which is particularly bad for US consumers when you look at those tarrifs on China). He's made someone who doesn't believe the government should spend money on education in charge of education policies, has made an oil lobbyist head of the EPA, has made someone who's turned the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau into the Protection of Finance Companies from their Consumers Bureau, slashed the State department and done all he can to tarnish America's soft power (diplomacy by actual diplomats, rather than the President meeting with dictators for that dictator's propaganda). The best thing he could do as president is convince Pence to resign and then also resign. Because he won't do that and because his policies are awful for most people in the western world... it's much easier to hope he fails, rather than wait around indefinitely for him.to pull his head from his arse. So you don't want Trump to 'do well' for everyone in America? Even if it's accidental, or by sheer coincidence? Man, you people are sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Spike said: So you don't want Trump to 'do well' for everyone in America? Even if it's accidental, or by sheer coincidence? Man, you people are sad. How will he "do well" for America if his policies are bad for America? It's a nonsense question. For him to do well, we'd need his policies to not be implemented. And have a Congress that does implement some form of effective governance, which probably wouldn't happen unless things change significantly in Congress. But we'd also need the executive agencies to work effectively, which would require a major policy shift from Trump to revert back to how they have traditionally operated and funded. And we'd need Trump to be signing bills into law that are counter to his own policies - again requiring a policy shift. There is no "accidentally" doing well if your policies run counter to doing well and you hurl yourself forwards towards shit policies. This isn't fucking philosophy, there's a political system in America and it requires deliberate political action. Unless you mean if somehow isolationist policies leading to trade wars that make things more expensive for us accidentally doing well for everyone in America? In which case lol. If that happened it would be interesting, but it seems unlikely with the rest of the world actively looking to fill the gaps of things they formerly imported from the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: How will he "do well" for America if his policies are bad for America? It's a nonsense question. Because you can't predict the future. Just because you think X is the result of Y doesn't mean its going to happen. Everyone thought Clinton's economics were great at the time but people disagree with them now with the gift of foresight. Gonzo you don't know they are bad for America, you just think you do. You don't know what will happen in the future either, concerning newer policies. People are ridiculous, yeah I totally want their to be a impeachment offence as opposed to anything good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I wasn't expecting not wanting the world to go to shit would be such a controversial opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Just now, Spike said: Because you can't predict the future. Just because you think X is the result of Y doesn't mean its going to happen. Everyone thought Clinton's economics were great at the time but people disagree with them now with the gift of foresight. Gonzo you don't know they are bad for America, you just think you do. You don't know what will happen in the future either, concerning newer policies. People are ridiculous, yeah I totally want their to be a impeachment offence as opposed to anything good. There's already of impeachable offenses, we just have a Congress that's either complicit or just looking for a rubber stamp from the idiot President. There've been 15 people associated with the Trump campaign that have been indicted by the Mueller investigation - including his former Campaign Chair & his former head of National Security took a plea deal. Futhermore, there's evidence of misuse of campaign funds. A lawsuit for misuse of charity funds brought by the state of New York. The whole pornstar hush money scandal. The Michael Cohen, current (that's right current) deputy finance chair & former personal attorney has been embroiled in legal controversy and is firing his lawyers and looking to make a deal with the Feds. The numerous violations of the Emoluments Clause. There's probably more that I've just forgotten about because he's surrounded himself with some of the worst people and looks to be such a shady and corrupt person. Quite frankly it's a disgrace that Congress hasn't acted on any of these things. And while Clinton's economics were a hell of a lot better than Reagan, Bush Sr., GWB, or Obamas (although Obama did pull the US out of Bush's Great Recession). Economics involves a lot of theoretical bullshit and not all of it is right - a lot of it is just on theories on how things will pan out with certain policies in place. But it doesn't take a brilliant mind to determine that a trade war is a bad thing for most US consumers - so much is made in China. Consumers won't want to pay more - but will be forced to if they want the same quality goods they want. But a lot of people won't want to pay more, and won't. Manufacturers are going to want to keep their overhead similar, so to placate the consumers who don't want to spend more you'll start seeing things the same price but made more cheaply than the pre-tariff counterparts. Thus consumers pay what they pay now for shittier quality goods. The effect is either pay more for what you can currently buy, or pay the same for a lesser product. It's a tax foisted on consumers for very limited benefit to America - because if the end result is to bring manufacturing back to the US, to remain competitive we would need US wages to drop significantly. Because otherwise, the competing American products would be prohibitively expensive even with the protectionist policies in place. Because in the 80s, like the UK, the US made the decision to be a service based economy and most manufacturing in the US became too expensive compared to foreign competitors. The world's spent decades invested into this global economy. People call it "tearing the bandage off" but it's really more like reopening a wound we've stitched over. The long term effects may be good for the US, but in the short term the effects of a trade war are bad for US consumers. And if you live in a state where the "tax cuts" actually raised your taxes (because of the SALT deduction cap change), which thankfully didn't happen to me, but did happen to a few people I know here who have homes they've inherited... that short term squeeze is not a good thing. Hoping for Trump to suddenly be a good President, based on the evidence we've seen, is just having blind faith despite evidence to suggest that faith is wholly misplaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 US set to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council with "How dare you criticise Israel" as their reasoning. Their backwards fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 16:47, 6666 said: US set to withdraw from UN Human Rights Council with "How dare you criticise Israel" as their reasoning. Their backwards fast. It's a bit funny though when you realise this ultimately means that the US won't be able to veto sanctions on Israel's human rights violations now... a bit counter intuitive from the Trumpsters. Some good news from the Trump administration though. Trump wants some praise for his decision to end his policy of separating children from families at the border and placing them in child concentration camps. It's commendable he ended his terrible policy. But it was his terrible policy in the first place. Now he's ending the policy of prosecuting migrant parents who are entering the country illegally, which is a hilarious reaction because I think that will end up only pissing off his base. It's almost as though the Obama-era policy of deporting illegal immigrants WITH THEIR FAMILIES was a stronger means of protecting the borders... while also not breaking families and placing children in camps where children are reporting they were abused, drugged, and kept in dog kennels. Basically, more humane treatment while still enforcing US laws. There's been no real answer on how these broken families will be reunited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: It's a bit funny though when you realise this ultimately means that the US won't be able to veto sanctions on Israel's human rights violations now... a bit counter intuitive from the Trumpsters. Some good news from the Trump administration though. Trump wants some praise for his decision to end his policy of separating children from families at the border and placing them in child concentration camps. It's commendable he ended his terrible policy. But it was his terrible policy in the first place. Now he's ending the policy of prosecuting migrant parents who are entering the country illegally, which is a hilarious reaction because I think that will end up only pissing off his base. It's almost as though the Obama-era policy of deporting illegal immigrants WITH THEIR FAMILIES was a stronger means of protecting the borders... while also not breaking families and placing children in camps where children are reporting they were abused, drugged, and kept in dog kennels. Basically, more humane treatment while still enforcing US laws. There's been no real answer on how these broken families will be reunited. Wasn't this still going on with Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Cicero said: Wasn't this still going on with Obama? No. That's something that the US right wing media has been trying to pass off as true, and Trump has as well based off pictures that were going around the internet attributed to Trump's policies... but were actually from the Obama era. And yeah, those pictures are bad... but they were also out before the public had more news on these child concentration camps. There were still arrests, and those pictures of illegal immigrants walking around with cages on their heads (which was really weird) - included children that were attributed to the Trump administration were from the Obama era. The policy of child detention camps and separating migrant families is entirely a Trump thing - it was Gen. Kelley's idea while he was head of DHS in the early days of the Trump administration. This is from 2017: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/07/dhs-is-considering-separating-mothers-and-children-who-cross-the-border-illegally/?utm_term=.d729e7021faa New policy from this administration. Sure the Obama era had some things - I still don't understand the purpose of the head cages - that were disagreeable with. But his deportation policy was keeping families together and deporting them together. The Trump policy involved putting kids in these camps where shit like this happened: https://www.businessinsider.com/immigrant-children-say-they-were-abused-in-virginia-detention-facility-2018-6?utm_source=reddit.com while there were mass deportation proceedings with multiple migrants processed at once. Hugely different policies. One involved tearing families apart and abusing children. The other involved weird head cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I actually like Trump's policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Cicero said: I actually like Trump's policies What? The baby concentration camps? Or the tariffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: What? The baby concentration camps? Or the tariffs? By concentration camps, you mean the same asinine process that literally had no provisions of detaining illegal immigrants since Clinton's administration? I for one like the fact the issue of family separation is finally being addressed yet at the same time strengthening the border security. I like his tax reform, cracking down on illegal immigration, and cutting the country's manufacturing in China. It's quite honestly tiresome hearing the same media rhetoric, yet fail to comprehend that this is what? Like 5 or 6 consecutive quarters of economic growth? Isn't this the best start to a president's campaign in history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: By concentration camps, you mean the same asinine process that literally had no provisions of detaining illegal immigrants since Clinton's administration? I for one like the fact the issue of family separation is finally being addressed yet at the same time strengthening the border security. I like his tax reform, cracking down on illegal immigration, and cutting the country's manufacturing in China. It's quite honestly tiresome hearing the same media rhetoric, yet fail to comprehend that this is what? Like 5 or 6 consecutive quarters of economic growth? Isn't this the best start to a president's campaign in history? Shut up. He says mean things and doesn't follow suit with everyone else so must be ridiculed at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: By concentration camps, you mean the same asinine process that literally had no provisions of detaining illegal immigrants since Clinton's administration? I for one like the fact the issue of family separation is finally being addressed yet at the same time strengthening the border security. I like his tax reform, cracking down on illegal immigration, and cutting the country's manufacturing in China. It's quite honestly tiresome hearing the same media rhetoric, yet fail to comprehend that this is what? Like 5 or 6 consecutive quarters of economic growth? Isn't this the best start to a president's campaign in history? Look how many quarters of growth there were preceding his election and how the rate of growth appears to be slowing. It took how long after September 11th and the Bush era tax cuts to lead to the recession of 2007? Does that indicate that the economy moves quickly or slowly? Child detention camps in old Walmart warehouses are not a Clinton era holdover. Meanwhile you claim it’s good they’ve ended that policy, while the ACLU says less than half the families will be reunited by the deadline. And in the meantime migrant families will not be prosecuted for illegal immigration, which actually makes the border less safe if you think about how that could be abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Look how many quarters of growth there were preceding his election and how the rate of growth appears to be slowing. It took how long after September 11th and the Bush era tax cuts to lead to the recession of 2007? Does that indicate that the economy moves quickly or slowly? Child detention camps in old Walmart warehouses are not a Clinton era holdover. Meanwhile you claim it’s good they’ve ended that policy, while the ACLU says less than half the families will be reunited by the deadline. And in the meantime migrant families will not be prosecuted for illegal immigration, which actually makes the border less safe if you think about how that could be abused. I think it indicates that the economy is heading towards a positive direction. Unemployment is at an all time low, output is rising, the country has the highest wages, and the cut-down of manufacturing in foreign countries has contributed to consistent economic growth. Moreso than any other start to a presidential campaign. There really is no reason to believe that a recession is on the way. It's amazing that with all this, the far left still continue to play the same boring rhetoric instead of accepting the fact that his policies have done some good. Fuck the good things he does, he's a racist and doesn't respect women, impeach him now I agree with you that it still makes the border less safe, which in my opinion indicates that with the more strict and secure border protection that Trump plans to implement, it will put an end or at the very least reduce this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cicero said: I think it indicates that the economy is heading towards a positive direction. Unemployment is at an all time low, output is rising, the country has the highest wages, and the cut-down of manufacturing in foreign countries has contributed to consistent economic growth. Moreso than any other start to a presidential campaign. There really is no reason to believe that a recession is on the way. It's amazing that with all this, the far left still continue to play the same boring rhetoric instead of accepting the fact that his policies have done some good. Fuck the good things he does, he's a racist and doesn't respect women, impeach him now I agree with you that it still makes the border less safe, which in my opinion indicates that with the more strict and secure border protection that Trump plans to implement, it will put an end or at the very least reduce this issue. If you look at the policies being pushed and previous economic downturns, it’s easy to predict. You get a short term boost for a long term downturn with “trickle down” economics theory. It’s not a new or novel theory, there is historical proof. I personally am more worried about Trump’s effects on a global economy than the fact he’s a racist moron. I don’t think the trade wars are going to be good for the US, the EU, or China. Or Canada and Mexico. China is now looking to trade with China more. He’s not a great deal maker, as North Korea stepped up missile production and have been blasting Pompeo’s recent negotiation attempts, so I don’t know how new trade deals would go. But my guess is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Competence: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396352-border-officials-may-have-taken-child-of-us-citizen-into-custody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 10/07/2018 at 00:27, Cicero said: I actually like Trump's policies What's happened to the supreme court alone was more than enough reason not to vote for Trump or any other republican....1 more appointment and the court will be skewed to the corporates for another 30 years.... kennedy stepping down and being replaced with a conservative is pretty damn significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Harry said: What's happened to the supreme court alone was more than enough reason not to vote for Trump or any other republican....1 more appointment and the court will be skewed to the corporates for another 30 years.... kennedy stepping down and being replaced with a conservative is pretty damn significant. I imagine he’s fairly fucking right leaning if he likes Trump policies though, so regressive justices are probably no sweat to him. Probably appreciates it tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Hahaha the man who loves to suck Putin’s dick just called Merkel “captive to Russia.” what a projectionist, he ought to work at a cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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