Panna King Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has described the Dutch as "Nazi remnants and fascists", as a diplomatic row grows over a cancelled rally. The Turkish foreign minister was due to speak in the Dutch city of Rotterdam on Saturday in support of a referendum to give Mr Erdogan greater powers. But the rally was banned for security reasons, and the minister's plane was then refused permission to land. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the remark was "way out of line". "It's a crazy remark, of course," Mr Rutte said. Turkey has summoned the Dutch charge d'affaires to the foreign ministry in Ankara for an explanation. In a strange twist, Turkey's family minister will attempt to travel by land to the Dutch city of Rotterdam, Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency said. Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya is in Germany for separate meetings but plans to head to the Netherlands later, despite having her meetings there cancelled. 'Reasonable solution impossible' President Erdogan reacted to the ban on his foreign minister by threatening to block Dutch flights. He said: "Ban our foreign minister from flying however much you like, but from now on, let's see how your flights will land in Turkey." Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu also warned Turkey would impose heavy sanctions if his visit were blocked. Turkish-German ties fray as Erdogan chases diaspora vote Turkey says 'No' to saying 'No', ahead of its referendum Erdogan rallies not welcome in Austria Mr Rutte warned in a statement (in Dutch) that the Turkish threat of sanctions made "the search for a reasonable solution impossible". Mr Rutte also stressed that Dutch officials had earlier discussed whether the planned rally with Mr Cavusoglu could be private and "smaller-scale" and held in a Turkish consulate or embassy. The Netherlands "regrets the course of events, and remains committed to dialogue with Turkey," the statement added. Analysis - Mark Lowen, Turkey Correspondent Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a canny political operator. While his falling-out with key European allies and explosive comparisons to the Nazis may seem chaotic, it's quite possibly all planned by a man who knows he thrives as the underdog. Sending Turkish ministers to Europe when relations with Turkey are flagging and some European states are nearing elections was never going to be warmly welcomed by the German or Dutch governments. They rose to the bait - and it has allowed Mr Erdogan to paint this is as a conspiracy against Turkey and himself as the nationalist Turkish hero fending off the European oppressor. That will rally his support base and the far-right nationalists he's trying to woo before the presidential referendum next month. But it will horrify the other side of Turkey - the pro-European liberals who see their country drifting ever further from the west and their President engaging in unprecedented slander against other Nato allies. The diplomatic row comes just days before Dutch voters go to the polls. The election campaign has been dominated by issues of identity, the BBC's Anna Holligan in The Hague says. The anti-Islam leader of the Freedom Party, Geert Wilders - who campaigned against the Turkish minister's visit - is expected to make significant gains, our correspondent adds. Austria, Germany and Switzerland have banned similar gatherings where Turkish officials were due to speak. He is seeking to extend his powers in the 16 April vote and targeting millions of expatriate voters - including 1.4 million in Germany. Rotterdam Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb said earlier this week that the owner of the hall scheduled to hold Mr Cavusoglu's event had withdrawn authorisation, but the foreign minister could still visit. "He has diplomatic immunity and everything so we will treat him with respect, but we have other instruments to prohibit things happening in public spaces," Mr Aboutaleb said, quoted by Reuters news agency. There was also uncertainty about whether an event he was due to attend in Zurich, Switzerland, on Sunday would go ahead after one venue refused to hold it. Another event in Zurich scheduled for Friday was cancelled, as were rallies in the Austrian towns of Hoerbranz, Linz and Herzogenburg. The Dutch and Austrian governments have also criticised the Turkish government's drive to take its referendum campaign to Turks based in EU countries. Relations between Turkey and European countries have deteriorated since last July's attempted coup in Turkey. Germany has been critical of the mass arrests and purges that followed - with nearly 100,000 civil servants removed from their posts. Many European nations have expressed deep disquiet about Turkey's response to the coup attempt and its perceived slide towards authoritarianism under President Erdogan. Turkey is a key partner in an arrangement attempting to limit the movement of migrants into the EU, but has threatened to "open the gates" if the EU reneges on commitments to provide aid, visa-free travel for its nationals and accelerated membership talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I do not want to be rude, but do we want to turn this subforum into a "Erdogan pulled a Godwin on [FILL WITH YOUR NATIONALITY]? Anyways, this is more for domestic consumption than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Well everyone is jumping on the Trump bandwagon when there is this guy. He is going around calling countries Nazis etc while he is on edge with Greece again. He is extemley dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 He is at the verge of becoming a dictator, but that is mostly a problem for turks themselves. And still there is only one Trump thread so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I heard this and found it disgusting. Likening millions of people to one of the most notorious and infamous organisations in history for no justified reason is just vile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, Kowabunga said: He is at the verge of becoming a dictator, but that is mostly a problem for turks themselves. And still there is only one Trump thread so far. He's not just a problem for the Turks (mostly Kurds in his country), but for everyone especially in Europe. But then again he has been helped along the way as is typical by the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 21 minutes ago, SirBalon said: He's not just a problem for the Turks (mostly Kurds in his country), but for everyone especially in Europe. But then again he has been helped along the way as is typical by the West. Erdo becoming a de iure dictator? A problem mostly for turks. For the rest Doctrina Estrada. The ME is already fucked up regardless of Cerdogan going full authoritarian or not. PS: And for the purposes here kurds with turkish citizenship for me are turks, sorry for breaking the special snowflakery. Erdo threatening to do things because he has leverage? That's actually substantial and not to be taken lightly . But that has little to do with him being a dictator or not or with him rallying the nationalist retards after non-sensical slogans for his referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Children trapped inside the body of adults rule some countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 The issue is that people vote more for who they identify with rather than who they actually think can lead them forward and make their country better. And because most of the world is made up of idiots, we end up with idiots as world leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 So this is Rotterdam now https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqJDXXkwgYJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, VanPanna said: So this is Rotterdam now https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqJDXXkwgYJV How on earth did they manage to move Rotterdam to Ankara? Or is that Green Lanes in North London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Rotterdam has a high populated area of Turks. But how can another country organise a political rally in an other country which is nothing to do with them. These people were born in The Netherlands but will never integrate, its a very desprate state in Turkey if he needs votes from abroad . What other country operates like this in the world or is allowed to in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted March 12, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2017 Now we have Turks here protesting as well, in front of dutch embassies. DANK JE WEL, HOLLAND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 12 hours ago, SirBalon said: He's not just a problem for the Turks (mostly Kurds in his country), but for everyone especially in Europe. But then again he has been helped along the way as is typical by the West. Indeed Merkel is determined to make him a key part of the failing Eu. They're literally signing their own death warrant with this. Also Geert Wilders sends his thanks Erdogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fairy In Boots Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 It was inevitable Wilders would jump on it. In fairness you he has a point, you can't have countries leaders making bullshit statements which encourage civil disobedience in of the his countries nationals residing in the adoptive state. It's a shame because the once secular Turkey is sliding on the slope to shithole and they get EU access within a few years to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Why arent they doing a rally for the Dutch elections when they are next week! They live in the Netherlands but are still controlled by the country their parents, Grand Parents are from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowabunga Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said: Indeed Merkel is determined to make him a key part of the failing Eu. They're literally signing their own death warrant with this. Also Geert Wilders sends his thanks Erdogan What the fuck are you talking about? Ffs, relations with Turkey in a real world are a fucking compromise. And they are always gonna be that, regardless of Danke-Merkel or your favourite alt-right whiteplatinum knight being at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Kowabunga said: What the fuck are you talking about? Ffs, relations with Turkey in a real world are a fucking compromise. And they are always gonna be that, regardless of Danke-Merkel or your favourite alt-right whiteplatinum knight being at the helm. lol who's pissed on your cornflakes? There's compromise and then there's giving Turks visa Access or ascent to the EU. Both will be catastrophic and idiotic decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Turks have been moving to England (especially London) for two decades now with very little opposition from the British authorities even though they required a VISA like people from other countries do. Infact I know of Turkish people that have found it easier (in the past six months which tells you something) to obtain British citizenship than Australians with the same requirements and the same things offered in terms of stay to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Erdogan is an awful man, good on the Netherlands for not allowing him to manipulate people in their country for his farce of a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 36 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Erdogan is an awful man, good on the Netherlands for not allowing him to manipulate people in their country for his farce of a referendum. The Turks in the Netherlands are also the problems and it is why people like Wilders are going to get voted in. They are extreme Erdogan followers but these people are born and brought up in the Netherlands and probably have never set foot in Turkey a lot of them, they don't integrate as its how they are brought up. The current and past Dutch governments like many other EU members have been extremely weak in the past this will only make people vote for Wilders even more who is against Islam and this current Turkish society not all but the majority are going down a very extreme way supporting Erdogan. Erdogan actually created an act to ban foreign rallies! so now he can get all the support from his army across Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 This is an old video message from Wilders but he is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, SirBalon said: Turks have been moving to England (especially London) for two decades now with very little opposition from the British authorities even though they required a VISA like people from other countries do. Infact I know of Turkish people that have found it easier (in the past six months which tells you something) to obtain British citizenship than Australians with the same requirements and the same things offered in terms of stay to this point. Longer than that, there was also more of a culture of integration before the multicultural drive of Blair's Government. An awful lot are Turkish Cypriots to, your average secular Turk who's about 50 hasd been here since the 80's is probably more British in his/her cultural ideals than your 20 something nurtured under Erdogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Longer than that, there was also more of a culture of integration before the multicultural drive of Blair's Government. An awful lot are Turkish Cypriots to, your average secular Turk who's about 50 hasd been here since the 80's is probably more British in his/her cultural ideals than your 20 something nurtured under Erdogan. I know a couple of Turkish Cypriots aged 40+ and they are just as you said there. Also worked in London with a few well educated Turks and had dealings with well educated Turks living in Istanbul and from that tiny sample I would honestly say they fit into British culture as well as if not better than any of the Mediterranean cultures. But Turkey is a BIG country with vastly differing income, education and religious backgrounds. Just as any country really, but the larger the country the more pronounced the variety within it is. The Syrian crisis has made a mess of Turkey and in times like that electorates often do seek comfort in aggressive leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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