Premier League 2024/25 - Gameweek 19 - 29th Dec-1st Jan 2025

[Gunnersaurus]

28 minutes ago, Stan said:

Again, you go on about stuff you don't know much about. 

Pointless arguing or speaking with you if that's your take on why we sacked Rodgers. Let alone other stuff you spout. 

I know enough. And it's not just me who has said it. Even some Leicester fans have said it. Leicester had a few successful years and just expected it to continue. Your just an example of Leicesters deluded fan base. No point having a discussion with you about it either. Since Cooper has gone you have blamed the players more. When Cooper was in charge it was all his fault. Cooper even said it was hard to play at home because of the atmosphere created by fans. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Gunnersaurus

[Stan]

16 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

I know enough. And it's not just me who has said it. Even some Leicester fans have said it. Leicester had a few successful years and just expected it to continue. Your just an example of Leicesters deluded fan base. No point having a discussion with you about it either. Since Cooper has gone you have blamed the players more. When Cooper was in charge it was all his fault. Cooper even said it was hard to play at home because of the atmosphere created by fans. 

 

Why have you got such a hard on for Cooper? The same players I was blaming under Cooper are just as bad now. So that's that idiotic argument out of the way. Where did Cooper say that about the fans? Do you think he was the second messiah or something? Do you think he wasn't getting anything wrong? 

 

As for Rodgers' sacking, we were in the relegation zone. That's the other stupid argument out the window. What else have you got? 

All this 'Leicester fans think they're a massive club' shite is bollocks too. That went out the window in any case when we got relegated. I've been vocal enough about our downfall on and off the pitch for the best part of 2 years now since that fateful Rodgers season (again, for your information we were in the drop zone when he was sacked) that ended in relegation. If you can't see the damage that was done in his 3rd season with us and where we were heading then you're even more stupid than I gave you credit for. 

There was no 'expectation' for things to continue like they did but there was distinct disappointment that things ended up how they did ie a relegation after some very successful years. Forgive me as a fan of my club for wanting to be ambitious enough for that to carry on (not to expect it, but to wish for it). And forgive fans like myself and @Dan for being critical of the club and how it has been mismanaged above whoever is the manager. 

Your nose is so far up Cooper's arse I don't think anything I say will convince you about my feelings or that I'm not deluded. A deluded fan thinks we're staying up with ease or that everything is rosy right now. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think that. I think it's going to be a big struggle to survive at this rate without getting better players in. 

But you stick with your simplistic thoughts about Cooper and not being in the relegation zone means we were doing just fine and everything was great. You stick with your simple-mindedness about what I should expect of my club and what you believe I should think about it. Maybe when you take a breath after coming out of Cooper's arse you'll actually see there is no delusion from anyone on here about him and that he wasn't actually a good manager for us. 

[Stan]

1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

Cooper is an awful manager. He was rubbish at Forest as well when it came to competing at this level. Any club with any ambition of staying in the top flight shouldn't even be considering a manager of his quality. It isn’t about club size or delusion. By all accounts, Leicester were expecting a points deduction that would have killed them anyway so they employed the Poundland option in Cooper thinking the season is a write off but he might do a decent job of bringing us back up next season.

Can you stop being so deluded please? 

[Gunnersaurus]

@Stan Do you read what I said. You wanted Rodgers gone the season you finished 8th. I didn't say anything about your relegation season. 

Also I never said Cooper was a great manager. He's lower premier league which is what Leicester are. You're a newly promoted side. Just staying up is fine for the 1st season. You could get rid of him at the end of the season because he probably won't get you that far up the league but if he keeps you up first season back in the league, great. Cooper kept forest in the league the first season he may well of kept you up this time.

So thats another load of shit you said. 

You call me simple minded but you're one of the most minded know it all's I've ever seen. Cooper literally said in an interview it was hard to play at home because of fans like you. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Gunnersaurus

[Stan]

20 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@Stan Do you read what I said. You wanted Rodgers gone the season you finished 8th. I didn't say anything about your relegation season. 

Also I never said Cooper was a great manager. He's lower premier league which is what Leicester are. You're a newly promoted side. Just staying up is fine for the 1st season. You could get rid of him at the end of the season because he probably won't get you that far up the league but if he keeps you up first season back in the league, great. Cooper kept forest in the league the first season he may well of kept you up this time.

So thats another load of shit you said. 

You call me simple minded but you're one of the most minded know it all's I've ever seen. Cooper literally said in an interview it was hard to play at home because of fans like you. 

Show me that interview. 

Maybe if Cooper didn't play boring negative football he may have got the fans onside earlier? 

Show me where I wanted Rodgers gone when we finished 8th? 

Cooper isn't even lower league. Your logic is deluded. Just because he kept Forest up doesn't mean he was going to do the same with us? 

How many games of ours did you actually watch? As said before, I'm willing to bet it wasn't that many of you think he was keeping us up. Look at the teams we won against this season under him - Southampton and Bournemouth. We only beat teams that we beat last season. We weren't winning games we should have done. 

You talk like there was a guarantee he was going to keep us up. The direction we were heading in was downwards under him. 

I know more about my club than you do. That's not arrogance, it's just simple and plain fact. And in a similar vein, you know more about Arsenal than I do so I'm not going to question your knowledge about your club. But you seem happy to do so when it comes to Leicester just because you've spoken to a few other fans? I don't buy it. 

Like I said, have a happy new year cos I can't be arsed debating with you any more. You're still stuck on the idea that Cooper was good enough for us based on very little. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Tbh I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having wanted Rodgers out before the writing was well and truly on the wall.

I know from experience when shit looks like it’s going very wrong with a Rodgers side, you let that shit fester for too long and you’re in a disaster situation.

Leicester are a newly promoted club… but they should never have been relegated in the first place and Cooper was a bizarre appointment imo. Having said that, I don’t think RVN’s gonna save them either.

But I also couldn’t give a toss if Leicester go down - they’re some of the most vocal fans with poverty mocking chants. And tbh that’s why I don’t really give a shit about the fortunes of most English clubs - there’s only about 3 that don’t do those chants.

[Gunnersaurus]

@Stan I know you definitely did want Rodgers gone when you were 8th stop lying.

I can't find the interview where he said that. If you don't believe me i don't really care. 

Your just asserting he isn't power league. Why? He kept forest up why wouldn't he keep you up?

I never said said he was guaranteed to keep you up. I said you weren't in the relegation zone under him and he may have kept you up.

I don't know as much about Leicester as you. But football fans don't know as much as managers but they still disagree with them at times. All I'm saying is from an outside point of view I think Leicester fans are delusional. I may well be wrong. But you haven't said anything to make me change my mind. In the same way I doubt I have said anything to make you change yours 

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@Stan I know you definitely did want Rodgers gone when you were 8th stop lying.

I can't find the interview where he said that. If you don't believe me i don't really care. 

Your just asserting he isn't power league. Why? He kept forest up why wouldn't he keep you up?

I never said said he was guaranteed to keep you up. I said you weren't in the relegation zone under him and he may have kept you up.

I don't know as much about Leicester as you. But football fans don't know as much as managers but they still disagree with them at times. All I'm saying is from an outside point of view I think Leicester fans are delusional. I may well be wrong. But you haven't said anything to make me change my mind. In the same way I doubt I have said anything to make you change yours 

I may have seen some warning signs when we were in 8th with him but I don't recall wanting him gone with us in that position. Perhaps when we started dropping to 12th, 13th and lower is when I wanted him gone. 

I don't believe that was the only thing Cooper would have said. And if it is, perhaps he should have taken responsibility for it and had us playing better. We were utter dire under him. 

There's several reasons I don't think he'd have kept us up. I've mentioned them before and I'm not going to go over them again. Your logic of him keeping Forest up isn't enough to have kept us up. If that logic worked across the board you'd never have any relegations. 

In what way am I delusional? Is it purely because I wanted Cooper out? Is that all it's based on? I've already conceded we're not a massive club (and I don't think we ever were despite our successes). It's not a crime to be ambitious and want the good times to continue for your club... 

[Stan]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Tbh I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having wanted Rodgers out before the writing was well and truly on the wall.

I know from experience when shit looks like it’s going very wrong with a Rodgers side, you let that shit fester for too long and you’re in a disaster situation.

Leicester are a newly promoted club… but they should never have been relegated in the first place and Cooper was a bizarre appointment imo. Having said that, I don’t think RVN’s gonna save them either.

But I also couldn’t give a toss if Leicester go down - they’re some of the most vocal fans with poverty mocking chants. And tbh that’s why I don’t really give a shit about the fortunes of most English clubs - there’s only about 3 that don’t do those chants.

Precisely the reason several fans wanted Rodgers out around the start of that ill-fated 3rd season. I think I gave him too much benefit of the doubt and actually thought he'd turn it around. 

As for the chants, you know as much as I do that I think they're disgusting and totally hypocritical/ironic as if there aren't people struggling in Leicester as it is. It doesn't even make sense chanting it at a football ground let alone in any other scenario. In saying that, I've also heard Liverpool fans (and other fans) come to the KP chanting 'you're just a small town in Baghdad' and 'you're just a town full of Pakis' so Liverpool fans don't do themselves any favours either. Granted, it's not all fans though. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

7 minutes ago, Stan said:

Precisely the reason several fans wanted Rodgers out around the start of that ill-fated 3rd season. I think I gave him too much benefit of the doubt and actually thought he'd turn it around. 

As for the chants, you know as much as I do that I think they're disgusting and totally hypocritical/ironic as if there aren't people struggling in Leicester as it is. It doesn't even make sense chanting it at a football ground let alone in any other scenario. In saying that, I've also heard Liverpool fans (and other fans) come to the KP chanting 'you're just a small town in Baghdad' and 'you're just a town full of Pakis' so Liverpool fans don't do themselves any favours either. Granted, it's not all fans though. 

Yeah for sure on both counts. Obviously lots of massive cunts in all segments of football support, as there are in all walks of life in the country - and every other country.

Just explaining why I don’t really have much sympathy for Leicester… or pretty much most any club if they go down.

I’m pretty sure I actively dislike most English clubs at this point. 
 

Re: Rodgers - I actually think I remember you sticking by him while I said imo that things were getting pretty shit with him pretty quick.

[Gunnersaurus]

23 minutes ago, Stan said:

I may have seen some warning signs when we were in 8th with him but I don't recall wanting him gone with us in that position. Perhaps when we started dropping to 12th, 13th and lower is when I wanted him gone. 

I don't believe that was the only thing Cooper would have said. And if it is, perhaps he should have taken responsibility for it and had us playing better. We were utter dire under him. 

There's several reasons I don't think he'd have kept us up. I've mentioned them before and I'm not going to go over them again. Your logic of him keeping Forest up isn't enough to have kept us up. If that logic worked across the board you'd never have any relegations. 

In what way am I delusional? Is it purely because I wanted Cooper out? Is that all it's based on? I've already conceded we're not a massive club (and I don't think we ever were despite our successes). It's not a crime to be ambitious and want the good times to continue for your club... 

We're just repeating the same thing. I never said you shouldn't be ambitious. 

I even said you maybe should of got rid of him at the end of the season as I didn't think he would take the club that far. All I said is I think a newly promoted side main aim should be to stay up. And I think fans should have at least given him a chance. As I said Leicester fans never wanted him in the first place before a ball was even kicked. Even though at that point his previous record suggested there was a reasonable chance he would have kept you up. Obviously as the season started saying he would of kept you up because he did at forest would of been silly if results are bad. I'm not saying it wouldn't of been. But the fact is before the season had started Leicester had a manager who had kept a team in the league before. And they couldn't wait to get rid of him. I personally think that's deluded.  Because at the moment that is Leicesters level. 

[Gunnersaurus]

@Dr. Gonzo I never actually said there was anything wrong with sacking Rodgers in their relegation season. I think in hindsight they might have had a better chance with him as they got Dean Ashton in but I think it was reasonable to get rid of him at the time.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I completely understand why Leicester fans would be unhappy with Cooper - totally different style of manager to what got them up successfully.

I don’t think just because Cooper had Forest survive, that it meant he’s anywhere near the right man for Leicester.

That’s honestly pretty lazy thinking imo

[Dr. Gonzo]

50 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@Dr. Gonzo I never actually said there was anything wrong with sacking Rodgers in their relegation season. I think in hindsight they might have had a better chance with him as they got Dean Ashton in but I think it was reasonable to get rid of him at the time.

I don’t think you really understand how bad it is when the Rodgers-rot steps in.

He tries terrible things that clearly don’t work, alienating his players, and doubling down on bad decisions, while getting weirdly aggressive and defensive in the press about it.

Imo Rodgers is a guy you bring in to shake things up for a year or two, then you sack him before he ruins everything and leaves the next man with a bigger problem to solve.

He is not a builder of squads. He’s good tactically before he gets his fingerprints all over a squad and then starts to massively overthink things. Leicester should have sacked him at the end of the season BEFORE they got relegated & I am 100% sure they’d have stayed up.

That’s also why I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about Stan being too harsh on Rodgers, because I remember saying all of this to him and him being like “nah you’re too fuckin harsh on the guy, he’s done enough to earn more time to turn it around” 

But I was all aboard the Rodgers is shite train and I am still aboard that train. He’s fine if you need a quick fix but give him the keys for too long and you’re fucked.

[MUFC]

4 hours ago, Stan said:

 

Why have you got such a hard on for Cooper? The same players I was blaming under Cooper are just as bad now. So that's that idiotic argument out of the way. Where did Cooper say that about the fans? Do you think he was the second messiah or something? Do you think he wasn't getting anything wrong? 

 

As for Rodgers' sacking, we were in the relegation zone. That's the other stupid argument out the window. What else have you got? 

All this 'Leicester fans think they're a massive club' shite is bollocks too. That went out the window in any case when we got relegated. I've been vocal enough about our downfall on and off the pitch for the best part of 2 years now since that fateful Rodgers season (again, for your information we were in the drop zone when he was sacked) that ended in relegation. If you can't see the damage that was done in his 3rd season with us and where we were heading then you're even more stupid than I gave you credit for. 

There was no 'expectation' for things to continue like they did but there was distinct disappointment that things ended up how they did ie a relegation after some very successful years. Forgive me as a fan of my club for wanting to be ambitious enough for that to carry on (not to expect it, but to wish for it). And forgive fans like myself and @Dan for being critical of the club and how it has been mismanaged above whoever is the manager. 

Your nose is so far up Cooper's arse I don't think anything I say will convince you about my feelings or that I'm not deluded. A deluded fan thinks we're staying up with ease or that everything is rosy right now. Sorry to disappoint you but I don't think that. I think it's going to be a big struggle to survive at this rate without getting better players in. 

But you stick with your simplistic thoughts about Cooper and not being in the relegation zone means we were doing just fine and everything was great. You stick with your simple-mindedness about what I should expect of my club and what you believe I should think about it. Maybe when you take a breath after coming out of Cooper's arse you'll actually see there is no delusion from anyone on here about him and that he wasn't actually a good manager for us. 

@MUFC

[Stan]

Brentford are proper chalk and cheese. Decent at home, terrible away. 

[Dan+]

On 31/12/2024 at 13:55, Gunnersaurus said:

@Stan I don't believe you for a second that you or other Leicester fans didn't want him because. Leicester are a newly promoted side. Cooper is a lower premier league manager. He's about your level. You just think you should be getting a better manager because your deluded and you think you are a bigger club than you are. You wanted to get rid of Rodgers when you finished 8th in the league. Leicester are some of the most deluded fans in the league 

Were you pissed when you typed this? What are you on about.

[Dan+]

On 31/12/2024 at 16:03, Gunnersaurus said:

He kept forest up in his first season and Leicester weren't in the relegation zone. 

If he's that good then we'll see in time won't we - after all, such an adept survival specialist will have no trouble getting a Premier League job in future.

He'll be back in the Championship. He isn't very good.

[OrangeKhrush]

Leicester made the wrong appointment to begin with by appointing Cooper who is a nuggety manager in the right team may be a pain but Leicester are not built nuggety like a Alladyce Bolton, Pulis Stoke or Moyes Everton.

For leicester it's a skill issue, not enough Prem quality.  Van Nistelrooy will have a very difficult task in keeping Leicester up.   They may just about scrape through.

Everton have surprised me the most, but in a good way.  I thought they may get a safe 13th or so finish but they are rancid to watch.

[RandoEFC+]

The Cooper appointment tells you all you need to know about Leicester's PSR issue to be honest. They were ready to write off the season which means they were bang to rights. Not enough has been made of the fact that they went unpunished off an utterly absurd loophole.

[Stan]

2 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

The Cooper appointment tells you all you need to know about Leicester's PSR issue to be honest. They were ready to write off the season which means they were bang to rights. Not enough has been made of the fact that they went unpunished off an utterly absurd loophole.

A loophole that any club with a decent lawyer would have pulled off, let's be honest. 

No-one can deny there was an element of rule-breaking, but the PL's rules aren't fit for purpose if these kind of loopholes can be exposed.

The Cooper appointment was only good in the sense that if we did get relegated we had a manager that was at a level of getting us back up. At no point was there any consideration that he would be good enough to keep us up. I don't blame the club for trying to think ahead on the back of a potential points deduction and no-one really knew how many points that would have been.

But then I do blame the club on spending £25 fucking million on Oliver Skipp . So much for having financial worries.

[RandoEFC+]

7 hours ago, Stan said:

No-one can deny there was an element of rule-breaking, but the PL's rules aren't fit for purpose if these kind of loopholes can be exposed.

The rules absolutely aren't fit for purpose but it's always going to be jarring though when some clubs had to take it on the chin and one club just got away with it.

[OrangeKhrush]

21 hours ago, Stan said:

A loophole that any club with a decent lawyer would have pulled off, let's be honest. 

No-one can deny there was an element of rule-breaking, but the PL's rules aren't fit for purpose if these kind of loopholes can be exposed.

The Cooper appointment was only good in the sense that if we did get relegated we had a manager that was at a level of getting us back up. At no point was there any consideration that he would be good enough to keep us up. I don't blame the club for trying to think ahead on the back of a potential points deduction and no-one really knew how many points that would have been.

But then I do blame the club on spending £25 fucking million on Oliver Skipp . So much for having financial worries.

I didn't realise you spent 25m on Skipp,  he is at most a 5m player. 

[Stan]

3 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I didn't realise you spent 25m on Skipp,  he is at most a 5m player. 

Embarrassing transfer recruitment from us once again.