The Big Middle Eastern Thread

[Dr. Gonzo]

If you've got a twitter/X account, please repost this to protect people who are simply going onto social media to express their will for having basic human rights.

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WTF

 

[Spike]

Australian media under reporting the death of Lebanese Australian man (wife and brother too), but reporting the death of an Australian Israeli man with utmost clarity..

[OrangeKhrush]

The Houthis are playing a blinder at slowly dragging the US and UK into the conflict.  The time for soft hands is over.  The coalition needs a soft war to come in and slap around a weaker enemy just to show they have some teeth.  I think more so to show it was Ukraines military naivity  and not western equipment that is the issue.

Iran is busy flexing their 40 mig 27s like that scares anyone.

[Rucksackfranzose]

59 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The Houthis are playing a blinder at slowly dragging the US and UK into the conflict.  The time for soft hands is over.  The coalition needs a soft war to come in and slap around a weaker enemy just to show they have some teeth.  I think more so to show it was Ukraines military naivity  and not western equipment that is the issue.

Iran is busy flexing their 40 mig 27s like that scares anyone.

For someone that worries so much about unborn lives he opposes abortion, you care very little about born ones.

What's the logic behind this thinking? Dying doesn't matter as long as it happens outside of a woman's body?

 

Edited January 10 by Rucksackfranzose

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

For someone that worries so much about unborn lives he opposes abortion, you care very little about born ones.

What's the logic behind this thinking? Dying doesn't matter as long as it happens outside of a woman's body?

 

I think it's wild to think Yemen's been given "soft hands" at any point in the last decade. The Houthis withstood the Saudi led coalition (that included the US Navy) waging war, deploying Al Qaeda as a proxy fighter force, and even use of famine and disease as weapons of war. Yemenis generally have suffered immensely due to the civil war between the Houthis and the Saudi puppet government that came before the war broke out.

I do think the US and UK have demonstrated a lot of restraint in responding to the Houthi threat to international trade and sooner or later, I do expect the US Navy to dust off some of their more impressive weaponry against the Houthis. Regardless, I think the US and UK have demonstrated a commendable amount of restraint in not acting how Israel almost certainly would - refraining from seriously pummeling Yemen and avoiding further collateral damage while trying to strike the Houthis.

There are a lot of people in Yemen caught in between the evil game Iran and Saudi Arabia have been playing in their country. What the Houthis are doing is causing more trouble for the international community than it is for Israel and the more they escalate, the more likely it is that they bring more death to Yemen.

But I don't see how anyone can give the US or UK any shit for what they've done in response to the Houthis latest (and largest) attack, tbh. They managed to protect the ship that was being shot at by making the Houthi munitions 100% ineffective and without causing loss of life to any innocents. This conflict has already grown so much since it started - a more bloody response from the west almost certainly guarantees a further escalation of the conflict. Do we really want the worst of the Yemeni civil war to be reignited in 2024? I don't think so.

[OrangeKhrush]

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think it's wild to think Yemen's been given "soft hands" at any point in the last decade. The Houthis withstood the Saudi led coalition (that included the US Navy) waging war, deploying Al Qaeda as a proxy fighter force, and even use of famine and disease as weapons of war. Yemenis generally have suffered immensely due to the civil war between the Houthis and the Saudi puppet government that came before the war broke out.

I do think the US and UK have demonstrated a lot of restraint in responding to the Houthi threat to international trade and sooner or later, I do expect the US Navy to dust off some of their more impressive weaponry against the Houthis. Regardless, I think the US and UK have demonstrated a commendable amount of restraint in not acting how Israel almost certainly would - refraining from seriously pummeling Yemen and avoiding further collateral damage while trying to strike the Houthis.

There are a lot of people in Yemen caught in between the evil game Iran and Saudi Arabia have been playing in their country. What the Houthis are doing is causing more trouble for the international community than it is for Israel and the more they escalate, the more likely it is that they bring more death to Yemen.

But I don't see how anyone can give the US or UK any shit for what they've done in response to the Houthis latest (and largest) attack, tbh. They managed to protect the ship that was being shot at by making the Houthi munitions 100% ineffective and without causing loss of life to any innocents. This conflict has already grown so much since it started - a more bloody response from the west almost certainly guarantees a further escalation of the conflict. Do we really want the worst of the Yemeni civil war to be reignited in 2024? I don't think so.

The US has tip toed  around not to upset the diplomacy with the Gulf states, but now there is an escalation in attacks on civilian ships and yesterday the houthis attacked a US ship, big mistake.

The Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas all the same, they destroy legitimate governments and incite violence as a form of indoctrination.   It is up to people that refuse extremism to stand up to extremists but when the perverse view that guerrillas are righteous in taking down governments then they are emboldened.   Maybe the few brownie point collectors will try to explain what good Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis (Triple H) have done for those states.

When these fighters get a little punch drunk you need to slap them down to the canvas, if the west fails to do so, it will suffer the same fate.

[OrangeKhrush]

15 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

For someone that worries so much about unborn lives he opposes abortion, you care very little about born ones.

What's the logic behind this thinking? Dying doesn't matter as long as it happens outside of a woman's body?

 

I didn't say anything about starting war with kids, I'm talking about kicking 50 shades of shit out of strategic military targets, like that dipshit that goes on stage and circle jerks about launching missiles at Israel, would it not be funny if during his presser he got hit by an American Drone strike,  taste the freedom.

[Azeem]

Kudos to South Africa, the case they filed in ICJ has put pressure on Nethanyahu to at least come out and say we don't want to displace Gazans. Because in international law what qualifies as genocide is all about the 'intent', it separates genocide from mistake and war crime. He had to give this statement now. 

[Azeem]

For countries like South Africa Ireland what's happening in Palestine is a lot more closer to home. 

And I also fully agree with the second part muh BRICS equality all bullshit. Doesn't matter if its US China or Russia in the drivers seat, modern world needs a reset. 

[Spike]

4 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The US has tip toed  around not to upset the diplomacy with the Gulf states, but now there is an escalation in attacks on civilian ships and yesterday the houthis attacked a US ship, big mistake.

The Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas all the same, they destroy legitimate governments and incite violence as a form of indoctrination.   It is up to people that refuse extremism to stand up to extremists but when the perverse view that guerrillas are righteous in taking down governments then they are emboldened.   Maybe the few brownie point collectors will try to explain what good Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis (Triple H) have done for those states.

When these fighters get a little punch drunk you need to slap them down to the canvas, if the west fails to do so, it will suffer the same fate.

Hamas is a legitimate government, they were voted into power in 2006. Mate you should get checked out at your local GP, I’m worried about you because if they gave you a CAT scan the prognosis would come back ‘dumb cunt’.

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

The US has tip toed  around not to upset the diplomacy with the Gulf states, but now there is an escalation in attacks on civilian ships and yesterday the houthis attacked a US ship, big mistake.

The Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas all the same, they destroy legitimate governments and incite violence as a form of indoctrination.   It is up to people that refuse extremism to stand up to extremists but when the perverse view that guerrillas are righteous in taking down governments then they are emboldened.   Maybe the few brownie point collectors will try to explain what good Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis (Triple H) have done for those states.

When these fighters get a little punch drunk you need to slap them down to the canvas, if the west fails to do so, it will suffer the same fate.

Israel’s tried slapping down Hamas and Hezbollah with military might and it’s not really done much for Gaza, the West Bank, or Lebanon other than keep people radicalised and keep the conflict going on forever.

Expanding the conflict makes Israel less safe in all honesty. Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah the last time they tried, it ended up in a stalemate that just left Lebanon in dire straights… but did nothing to change the status quo of the conflict. Expanding the war to 3 fronts for Israel just means they will need the US and UK more than ever.

Hamas, Houthi, and Hezbollah all just want to escalate this conflict as large as it can be because that’s the worst case scenario for Israel and their allies & the best case for the allies of these terror groups - Russia and Iran.

Escalation doesn’t really benefit anyone in Israel other than Netanyahu who needs the war to go on for as long as possible so he puts off his trial and prison sentence.

[OrangeKhrush]

3 hours ago, Spike said:

Hamas is a legitimate government, they were voted into power in 2006. Mate you should get checked out at your local GP, I’m worried about you because if they gave you a CAT scan the prognosis would come back ‘dumb cunt’.

They lacked the sufficient majority, so they murdered Fatah and Fatah supporters to get to power,   never had an election since 2006.

[OrangeKhrush]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Israel’s tried slapping down Hamas and Hezbollah with military might and it’s not really done much for Gaza, the West Bank, or Lebanon other than keep people radicalised and keep the conflict going on forever.

Expanding the conflict makes Israel less safe in all honesty. Israel couldn’t beat Hezbollah the last time they tried, it ended up in a stalemate that just left Lebanon in dire straights… but did nothing to change the status quo of the conflict. Expanding the war to 3 fronts for Israel just means they will need the US and UK more than ever.

Hamas, Houthi, and Hezbollah all just want to escalate this conflict as large as it can be because that’s the worst case scenario for Israel and their allies & the best case for the allies of these terror groups - Russia and Iran.

Escalation doesn’t really benefit anyone in Israel other than Netanyahu who needs the war to go on for as long as possible so he puts off his trial and prison sentence.

It is a conflict that will require s Gulf war style coalition to ensure the systematic removal of all extremists and the removal of indoctrinated from society.

The only way to kill a snake is to remove its head, the form of Islam they are taught or forced to accept is a poison that fuels constant conflict.  The cold hard reality is that sustainable peace is not possible as they don't want to co exist with israel and so malcontent breeds  malcontent.

I think the only solution is the US to seize control and recondition Palastine by serving as stewards until Palastinians are free to vote without fear of persecution for a legitimate government.

[Rucksackfranzose]

5 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

They lacked the sufficient majority, so they murdered Fatah and Fatah supporters to get to power,   never had an election since 2006.

Is this you saying only an election constitutes a legitimate government? Your club is owned, albeit indirectly, by the Saudi government. Please remind the class, when they were elected?

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Is this you saying only an election constitutes a legitimate government? Your club is owned, albeit indirectly, by the Saudi government. Please remind the class, when they were elected?

Ergo it's called the kingdom of Saudi Arabia much like the gulf they are ruled by the Emirates.  It doesn't make them less legitimate, however if you have an election mared  by violence you can't really call it one, it was a hostile take over and the opposition  have been murdered off over the years to the point that those left are to weak to do anything so they are ruled by violence.

[Rucksackfranzose]

2 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Ergo it's called the kingdom of Saudi Arabia much like the gulf they are ruled by the Emirates.  It doesn't make them less legitimate, however if you have an election mared  by violence you can't really call it one, it was a hostile take over and the opposition  have been murdered off over the years to the point that those left are to weak to do anything so they are ruled by violence.

Feel free to correct, still aren't The Netherlands, Belgium, The Uk , etc also kingdoms? Still have an elected government. Saudi-Arabia executed 80 oppositional politicians in2022 alone, at least be consistent in your logic.

[Spike]

Saudi violence is okay.
Hamas violence isn’t okay.

Dumb cunt,

[OrangeKhrush]

5 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Feel free to correct, still aren't The Netherlands, Belgium, The Uk , etc also kingdoms? Still have an elected government. Saudi-Arabia executed 80 oppositional politicians in2022 alone, at least be consistent in your logic.

Except all of them stopped being monarchys and became constitutional democracies, that hasn't happened in the middle east but for israel and the shit show in gaza.

England for example is not called a kingdom and hasn't in a while, the Netherlands is also no longer referred to as a kingdom of Holland.

Those executions ranged from murderers to seditionists there was no political opposition just ultra minorities wanting to impose their will over the majority.   When Saudi arabia played the two games in england that stupid newcastle fan wannabe group tried asking actual Saudi Arabians whether they were oppressed, let's just say it didn't end well for a bunch of Englishman thinking they can tell Saudis they should be unhappy about something that isn't a problem.

If you don't break laws, start coups, murder people you will be just fine.

Edited January 11 by OrangeKhrush

[Spike]

18 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Except all of them stopped being monarchys and became constitutional democracies, that hasn't happened in the middle east but for israel and the shit show in gaza.

England for example is not called a kingdom and hasn't in a while, the Netherlands is also no longer referred to as a kingdom of Holland.

Those executions ranged from murderers to seditionists there was no political opposition just ultra minorities wanting to impose their will over the majority.   When Saudi arabia played the two games in england that stupid newcastle fan wannabe group tried asking actual Saudi Arabians whether they were oppressed, let's just say it didn't end well for a bunch of Englishman thinking they can tell Saudis they should be unhappy about something that isn't a problem.

If you don't break laws, start coups, murder people you will be just fine.

England is literally in ‘The United Kingdom’. You’re a fucking bootlicker when it suits you, a spineless parrot that has no idea what he is posting, just the confidence to do it. The amount of contradictions and double-think in every single post of yours  is maddening. You don’t have a single conviction of belief in your entire body except whatever suits the point you are incoherently making. I’m sick of reading the diarrhoea extending from your fingers to your keyboard. 

[Rucksackfranzose]

31 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Except all of them stopped being monarchys and became constitutional democracies, that hasn't happened in the middle east but for israel and the shit show in gaza.

England for example is not called a kingdom and hasn't in a while, the Netherlands is also no longer referred to as a kingdom of Holland.

Those executions ranged from murderers to seditionists there was no political opposition just ultra minorities wanting to impose their will over the majority.   When Saudi arabia played the two games in england that stupid newcastle fan wannabe group tried asking actual Saudi Arabians whether they were oppressed, let's just say it didn't end well for a bunch of Englishman thinking they can tell Saudis they should be unhappy about something that isn't a problem.

If you don't break laws, start coups, murder people you will be just fine.

UK is the abbreviation of United Kingdom, the official name of the Netherlands is "Koninrjik der Nederlanden" which translates to "Kingdom of the Netherlands" That's two faults of yours in only one sentence. Actually 3 as England isn't a sovereign state.  Try googling more. To be opionated is an insufficient substitute of factual knowledge.

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

It is a conflict that will require s Gulf war style coalition to ensure the systematic removal of all extremists and the removal of indoctrinated from society.

The only way to kill a snake is to remove its head, the form of Islam they are taught or forced to accept is a poison that fuels constant conflict.  The cold hard reality is that sustainable peace is not possible as they don't want to co exist with israel and so malcontent breeds  malcontent.

I think the only solution is the US to seize control and recondition Palastine by serving as stewards until Palastinians are free to vote without fear of persecution for a legitimate government.

If you're referring to the first Gulf War, I'll have to remind you that: the US led coalition did not remove "the head of the snake" - they stopped Iraq from taking over Kuwait's oil fields, they didn't remove Saddam Hussein from power. If you're referring to the second Gulf War, they removed Saddam Hussein from power - and then the remnants of the Baath party of Iraq into the eager arms of the Saudis and unleashed ISIS on the world. Wahhabis and Salafists teach and force others to accept a poisonous form of Islam that is as dangerous as the Shia extremist crap the IR pushes.

And with Hamas, they're not even Shia, they're just extremist Sunnis being backed by Iran because Iran views them as useful pawns in it's proxy war with the US and Israel. It's Qatar that's more similar in ideology and dogma.

But either way, referring to either Gulf War in this instance is a bit weird. Neither war accomplished much in terms of combatting extremism, in fact the second war led to the spread of radicalised Islamic terrorists. Most, if not all, of the US's adventures in the Middle East have been abject foreign policy failures that at best don't affect the status quo too much and at worst just ended up enflaming an already enflamed region.

The Houthis won't be crushed easily, it's just a conflict that would inflict more Yemenis to be caught in that brutal battle between Iran's puppets and Saudi Arabia's puppets for years to come. It's pretty clear that Russia and Iran (and probably China too) are hoping to pull the US into more open conflict in the Middle East. With Iran, they've learned from the US invasion of Iraq, Syria's civil war, and Yemen's civil war is that instability in the region gives them greater influence. It's why they've encouraged their proxies to kick off the way they have - stability was leading to peace between two of their geopolitical enemies.

Iran's banking on the US being unlikely to invade and occupy them. Russia's banking on the US getting involved in expensive Middle Eastern conflicts means they'll care less about Ukraine.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Iran's seized an oil tanker - US is demanding it's immediate release. Iran's playing a dangerous game, either thinking the US doesn't have the strength or will to strike at it - or doing what it can to force a US strike on Iran so they attempt to turn the Israel v Palestine conflict into a West v Islam conflict.

They're not leaving many options available for the West. Sanctions haven't worked as a deterrent for... decades. It's just squeezed a desperate people, while the corrupt elite there have hoarded the remaining wealth. Diplomacy's a limited option when you don't have anywhere near close to normal diplomatic relations with a country. From the IR's perspective, conflict with the US gives them a convenient excuse to really clamp down on all dissent as brutally as possible and they can use an attack by the US to attempt to get the same sort of "rally around the flag" affect Israel's had since the October 7th attack.

[6666]

@OrangeKhrush having an "it's brown people dying so it doesn't really matter" attitude isn't really surprising. It's a common theme amongst supporters of Israel. He's the forum's very own Marjorie Taylor Greene.