Scouse_Mouse Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Stan said: Not really true though is it? What part Stan? That refs should be doing a lot better?
Administrator Stan Posted January 12, 2021 Author Administrator Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Scouse_Mouse said: What part Stan? That refs should be doing a lot better? The bit in bold. 'whereas anyone can be a referee if you are reasonably fit'.
Scouse_Mouse Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Stan said: The bit in bold. 'whereas anyone can be a referee if you are reasonably fit'. Sorry, new to this. How do you mean? If you are young enough and in good physical shape and obviously capable of reading and understanding the rules then you can referee. Or am I missing something here?
LFCMike Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 You don't even have to be reasonably fit. Just look at John Moss
Administrator Stan Posted January 12, 2021 Author Administrator Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Scouse_Mouse said: Sorry, new to this. How do you mean? If you are young enough and in good physical shape and obviously capable of reading and understanding the rules then you can referee. Or am I missing something here? Basically just saying it takes more than just being fit to be a referee . A lot more.
Scouse_Mouse Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, Stan said: Basically just saying it takes more than just being fit to be a referee . A lot more. What more exactly? I understand that not every ref is going to become a professional ref but it isn't that difficult to initially become one. I did it years ago, I blew my knee out and decided to get my refereeing certification, it wasnt that hard.
Cicero Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Scouse_Mouse said: What more exactly? I understand that not every ref is going to become a professional ref but it isn't that difficult to initially become one. I did it years ago, I blew my knee out and decided to get my refereeing certification, it wasnt that hard. The ability to analyse and interpret decisions in quick time, under pressure, is a skill many don't possess or it takes years to.
Administrator Stan Posted January 12, 2021 Author Administrator Posted January 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Scouse_Mouse said: What more exactly? I understand that not every ref is going to become a professional ref but it isn't that difficult to initially become one. I did it years ago, I blew my knee out and decided to get my refereeing certification, it wasnt that hard. Balls of fucking steel for starters . Decisiveness, authority, assertiveness, ability to work under pressure, analytical skills (in quick time!). It's not something you can just walk in to just because you're reasonably fit even at a young age. A lot of those skills do take time to perfect but it's good to have some level to begin with.
Scouse_Mouse Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stan said: Balls of fucking steel for starters . Decisiveness, authority, assertiveness, ability to work under pressure, analytical skills (in quick time!). It's not something you can just walk in to just because you're reasonably fit even at a young age. A lot of those skills do take time to perfect but it's good to have some level to begin with. Dunno about "balls of steel" I've seen top flight refs that looked like they might burst into tears at any minute. Maybe Im oversimplifying things? Im just trying to say that not everyone can become a pro footballer (I could have trained 10 hours a day but id never be more than a pub league player) but I could have risen in the ranks of refereeing if id had the dedication to stick at it.
Danny Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Scouse_Mouse said: Of course they don't get paid as much as footballers and quite rightly so. No matter how hard you try you will never be a professional footballer (or a good one at any rate) if you don't have the talent, whereas anyone can be a ref if you are reasonably fit. Refs pay is still good though. As Ive said, a ref not that long ago, we cut them some slack, they were semi pro and had daytime jobs, they didn't have the benefit of multiple replays, slow motion, lines drawn etc. Its not an "easy job" but it isn't a hard job and with the benefit of VAR they should be doing a helluva lot better. Literally just conjecture backed up by nothing. There is no better you are referring to because you have no reference point that is tangible to decide what is better.
Danny Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Scouse_Mouse said: Dunno about "balls of steel" I've seen top flight refs that looked like they might burst into tears at any minute. Maybe Im oversimplifying things? Im just trying to say that not everyone can become a pro footballer (I could have trained 10 hours a day but id never be more than a pub league player) but I could have risen in the ranks of refereeing if id had the dedication to stick at it. So you couldn’t have been a ref then because you lack the mentality for it
Scouse_Mouse Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, Danny said: So you couldn’t have been a ref then because you lack the mentality for it Not sure mentality is the right word, I didn't have the desire, patience or inclination to devote to refereeing in order to dedicate enough time to something that id only taken up to pass time during a lengthly recovery on crutches. Im sure some do, especially now that its a well paid job. I just think that refs today _should_ be better now they have the benefit of VAR, unfortunately I haven't seen any noticeable improvement
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Did anyone see Clattenburg admit he was biased towards Man Utd and many other refs at the time were too... ... and now he’s walking it back saying he didn’t fix matches for the team he liked, it was just “Fergie’s aura” making him biased
Administrator Stan Posted January 16, 2021 Author Administrator Posted January 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Did anyone see Clattenburg admit he was biased towards Man Utd and many other refs at the time were too... ... and now he’s walking it back saying he didn’t fix matches for the team he liked, it was just “Fergie’s aura” making him biased Yeah whether anyone liked him when he was a ref or not (I personally thought he was alright, one of the better ones at the time), his comments really don't cast a good light on his/that era or any refs now. Probably done more damage than good, especially since referees are scrutinised to the nth degree as it is.
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Stan said: Yeah whether anyone liked him when he was a ref or not (I personally thought he was alright, one of the better ones at the time), his comments really don't cast a good light on his/that era or any refs now. Probably done more damage than good, especially since referees are scrutinised to the nth degree as it is. I thought he was a decent ref but now that he writes columns he’s made it pretty clear he was never really all that into refereeing and was more into being on TV cameras. Funny seeing him try (and fail) to walk it back though Worst ref from that era is now in charge of all of the referees in England - so I guess I can’t be surprised at the state of officiating
Administrator Stan Posted January 16, 2021 Author Administrator Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I thought he was a decent ref but now that he writes columns he’s made it pretty clear he was never really all that into refereeing and was more into being on TV cameras. Funny seeing him try (and fail) to walk it back though Worst ref from that era is now in charge of all of the referees in England - so I guess I can’t be surprised at the state of officiating Yeah the PGMOL hierarchy is worrying considering the amount of things that have gone wrong. Needs a change. Clattenburg's comments after that Chelsea Spurs game in 2016 also brought about some conspiracies and controversy... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Stan said: Yeah the PGMOL hierarchy is worrying considering the amount of things that have gone wrong. Needs a change. Clattenburg's comments after that Chelsea Spurs game in 2016 also brought about some conspiracies and controversy... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327 Yeah I remember that! Imagine doing that in any other job... ”Yeah I intentionally did a shit job at work because people might get upset if I did a good job.”
Scouse_Mouse Posted January 16, 2021 Posted January 16, 2021 Rafa got slated by the great unwashed for saying the same thing about a bias towards Ferguson. Also read Rashford's comments about Mourinho making him "more savvy" in the penalty area. Basically saying Jose taught him to be a better cheat
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 I think it's a disgrace Dean Smith's been charged by the FA after the City match. Just for hurting the 4th official's feelings? What a load of bollocks.
Toinho Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 I met Paul Tierney and David Coote in an irish bar in Kyoto in 2014. Should I have let them leave? Tierney came across as super arrogant. Coote was lovely.
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Toinho said: I met Paul Tierney and David Coote in an irish bar in Kyoto in 2014. Should I have let them leave? Tierney came across as super arrogant. Coote was lovely. You should have told them to retire. Especially Coote.
Administrator Stan Posted February 8, 2021 Author Administrator Posted February 8, 2021 Well this is shit. Obviously critique them or be opinionated about them. But sending death threats to him and his family? Dick move.
Smiley Culture Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Stan said: Well this is shit. Obviously critique them or be opinionated about them. But sending death threats to him and his family? Dick move. It’s getting fucking pathetic now. It might mean less to me because I’m a neutral these days but it’s a game of Football. It’s not that important and certainly not validating the racial abuse players have suffered or this, that Mike Dean has copped. If football is making people this angry and unsavoury, I don’t think it’s for them.
Redcanuck Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 On 16/01/2021 at 08:59, Dr. Gonzo said: Did anyone see Clattenburg admit he was biased towards Man Utd and many other refs at the time were too... ... and now he’s walking it back saying he didn’t fix matches for the team he liked, it was just “Fergie’s aura” making him biased I don't remember any bias towards United during Fergie's time. I think it was just that Fergie was so admired, respected and had such a wealth of football knowledge that when he suggested that there should be 6 minutes of extra time or that should be an United penalty, the referees being mere mortals accepted the great one's advice.
Cicero Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 At this point, death threats/racist remarks will forever be case until technology is advanced enough where these people can be identified within a matter of seconds and punished. Far too easy for someone to create a quick random account, post racial abuse, and then log off it forever.
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