Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Simple fact is you can’t foul someone if they kick your ankle. Other simple fact is Leicester are probably gunna run away with this and score about 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Think we had a rocket up our arse at half time. Just needed to move the ball quicker around Brentford's defence and just in front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted January 24, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2021 That's a penalty for the sake of consistency but anyone who thinks that's fair and sporting needs to give their heads a wobble. We convince ourselves it's fine when it happens in our favour because everyone else's players do it. As far as I'm concerned, an attacker deliberately initiating contact with a defender then going down is as bad as a dive. And that's what Tielemans did there (he just did, it's not debatable). It'll never happen now but if we wanted to maintain the integrity of the sport that wouldn't be a penalty. The way the rules are now there are far too many scenarios where a player is incentivised to try to win a penalty rather than try to score. If you want to get your body between the defender and the ball and force them to foul you or let you go that's a different matter but if the attacker clearly initiates the contact it shouldn't be a foul. It's shit that penalties like that are considered stonewall these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: That's a penalty for the sake of consistency but anyone who thinks that's fair and sporting needs to give their heads a wobble. We convince ourselves it's fine when it happens in our favour because everyone else's players do it. As far as I'm concerned, an attacker deliberately initiating contact with a defender then going down is as bad as a dive. And that's what Tielemans did there (he just did, it's not debatable). It'll never happen now but if we wanted to maintain the integrity of the sport that wouldn't be a penalty. The way the rules are now there are far too many scenarios where a player is incentivised to try to win a penalty rather than try to score. If you want to get your body between the defender and the ball and force them to foul you or let you go that's a different matter but if the attacker clearly initiates the contact it shouldn't be a foul. It's shit that penalties like that are considered stonewall these days. I'll debate it. He's not 'deliberately' done it. He's running normally. It's not like he's stuck his leg out at a weird angle to initiate contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Without 8 first team players including a top goal scorer, not on the bench either. A lot of teenagers, squad players from the B Team. If we can grab a goal it could get interesting and that’s be a good experience for them. If Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Stan said: I'll debate it. He's not 'deliberately' done it. He's running normally. It's not like he's stuck his leg out at a weird angle to initiate contact. Tielemans hasn’t done it on purpose, but has physically kicked Fosu. You can’t be kicked in the ankle and be the person who caused the foul. Physically impossible Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Danny said: Tielemans hasn’t done it on purpose, but has physically kicked Fosu. You can’t be kicked in the ankle and be the person who caused the foul. Physically impossible Stan. Fair enough. I won't debate that bit but saying he's kicked Fosu deliberately is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 We’re bringing on 18 year olds, they’re bringing on Premier League winners. I’d be surprised if we keep it at 3 goals, let alone come back into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Danny said: We’re bringing on 18 year olds, they’re bringing on Premier League winners. I’d be surprised if we keep it at 3 goals, let alone come back into it Tell that kid to get a proper hair cut ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted January 24, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stan said: I'll debate it. He's not 'deliberately' done it. He's running normally. It's not like he's stuck his leg out at a weird angle to initiate contact. This is splitting hairs though for me. What the others have said sums it up. Tielemans initiates the contact and I don't think any of us can say hand on heart that the majority of our own players wouldn't hesitate to do it deliberately if they could, knowing they'd win a penalty. He certainly didn't go out of his way to stay on his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, RandoEFC said: This is splitting hairs though for me. What the others have said sums it up. Tielemans initiates the contact and I don't think any of us can say hand on heart that the majority of our own players wouldn't hesitate to do it deliberately if they could, knowing they'd win a penalty. He certainly didn't go out of his way to stay on his feet. I agree, there's a fine line with what you say here though and saying he looked for contact deliberately in the incident earlier. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Frustrating to watch, another ref could have sent Soyuncu off imo and not given that pen, completely different game. But the one good thing to come out of this is fixture congestion, one less game to play in what is a more hectic Championship season than any other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, LFCMike said: Give it a rest son this is a thread to discuss Tielemans penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Easy win. Never in doubt Good luck in Championship @Danny, wouldn't mind seeing Brentford in the Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 No effort made by Savage to watch the replay for the penalty, the ref gives an advantage and all of a sudden he’s had a good game. Are they trying to WUM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Danny said: No effort made by Savage to watch the replay for the penalty, the ref gives an advantage and all of a sudden he’s had a good game. Are they trying to WUM? Forgot he played for Leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Can't work out if I like Liverpool's kit or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Stan said: Easy win. Never in doubt Good luck in Championship @Danny, wouldn't mind seeing Brentford in the Premier League Hopefully we’ll be up there, just need to stay consistent. As do you lot for title challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, LFCMike said: The only thing that I keep wondering is just what Williams has shown over Philllips? Neither are particularly good, but at least Nat is good at headers. Interesting seeing Jones in the front three, may be the injection of creativity needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick said: The only thing that I keep wondering is just what Williams has shown over Philllips? Neither are particularly good, but at least Nat is good at headers. Interesting seeing Jones in the front three, may be the injection of creativity needed. Williams probably better in possession. Williams is slow but Phillips is slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Williams is dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 24, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted January 24, 2021 Why did Williams go to ground there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Ref blows for a foul because Thiago made a perfect tackle, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Stan said: Why did Williams go to ground there He wasn’t even playing in the football league last season while out on loan. He’s not really anywhere near ready for this level, if he ever will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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