Slippy G vs Fat Frank

[Cicero]

I thought after Euro 2004 performance Lampard would be the first name on the team sheet in midfield. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

13 minutes ago, MUFC said:

I remember when Rafa was getting stick for playing Gerrard on the right wing for a season, didn't Gerrard have his best season stats wise that season? Anyway what I'm saying is that Rafa moved Ferrard on the right for a season and later on just behind torres. After the season where he played Gerrard on the right, he was interviewed by one of the UK newspapers regarding why Gerrard was played on the right. So he gave a tactical breakdown, in a nutshell he said that he didn't fully trust Gerrard in the middle especially the deeper areas because he kept squandering possession in dangerous areas. As his career as a whole I can't say myself if this is true as you lot will know much better. But in my time I have seen on 4 occasions lose the ball which has led to goals. The most famous one was vs Chelsea when Ba scored, few years earlier he did it vs Chelsea where Drogba scored, he did it vs Arsenal and Henry got onto the back pass and scored and he also did it vs France in the Euros, again Henry got onto it and the keeper brought him down. 

I think his best seasons, imo, came after the season he played on the right and when he was playing off Torres with Alonso and Mascherano behind him.

I just think Torres brought out the best in him, the same way he brought out the best in Torres.

I thought he should have kept going in that position as he got older rather than moving back deeper and deeper. Especially after we lost Suarez and Sturridge was always injured - there was no movement ahead of Stevie so his ability to ping passes into the movement was totally nullified.

And I think having him closer to the opposition goal probably would have made us more likely to score more at that time. At least imo.

And I think everyone can admit that Stevie wasn’t the best player to leave lying deep in a midfield. Especially as he was still “our creator” late on even playing deep. If there’s one quality I think Lampard had over him it was positional discipline - given by how the two played in their older ages.

But imo it’s a boring debate - we might as well make a shite Ronaldo v Messi debate. They’re 2 of the best midfielders in my lifetime and I think I’m lucky to have seen both play at the same time. And even more lucky to have one be a legend at the club I support - he’s a man that could make us dream even if our teams on paper should never have had us having any serious dreams (looking at some of the sides we faced in our 2005 cup run, Juve and Milan especially it’s actually hilarious we won - that Milan team was world class in every position - that Juve as well).

[Spike]

28 minutes ago, Lucas said:

Jesus christ, public enemy number one?

My god, that situation is so over glorified. 

He had a section of boo boys at the club that thought he wasn't in the squad on merit because his dad and uncle were at the club.

And he proved them wrong by showing them what a good talent he was through his displays that alerted us and you to go for him. We very nearly had him infact and at the last minute he went to you.

There were equally plenty of West Ham fans that loved him as one of their own during his time. It was never that bad a picture you paint.

The way you describe it, you'd think he'd gone through what David Beckham went through with a burning effigy 

fuck me dead mate,, sorry if I has like sevenyears old at the time and only watched rugby league with my grandad. I'm only going on what others have told me

[MUFC]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think his best seasons, imo, came after the season he played on the right and when he was playing off Torres with Alonso and Mascherano behind him.

I just think Torres brought out the best in him, the same way he brought out the best in Torres.

I thought he should have kept going in that position as he got older rather than moving back deeper and deeper. Especially after we lost Suarez and Sturridge was always injured - there was no movement ahead of Stevie so his ability to ping passes into the movement was totally nullified.

And I think having him closer to the opposition goal probably would have made us more likely to score more at that time. At least imo.

And I think everyone can admit that Stevie wasn’t the best player to leave lying deep in a midfield. Especially as he was still “our creator” late on even playing deep. If there’s one quality I think Lampard had over him it was positional discipline - given by how the two played in their older ages.

But imo it’s a boring debate - we might as well make a shite Ronaldo v Messi debate. They’re 2 of the best midfielders in my lifetime and I think I’m lucky to have seen both play at the same time. And even more lucky to have one be a legend at the club I support - he’s a man that could make us dream even if our teams on paper should never have had us having any serious dreams (looking at some of the sides we faced in our 2005 cup run, Juve and Milan especially it’s actually hilarious we won - that Milan team was world class in every position - that Juve as well).

I do have Gerrard in front of Lampard even so I rate both highly. I agree with Gerrard being the second striker, it's why I said on the previous page that for England. Hargreaves and Scholes in front of the back 4, keeping possession and dictating the game, with Gerrard behind Rooney or Owen, that would have been frightening. 

I feel that Gerrard due to the number of seasons he had with lesser players around him. He felt he had to do much more then say Lampard who had much better players around him the majority of his Chelsea career. 

[Cicero]

Aye must of been a pity playing with Torres, Cisse, Suarez, Garcia, Macherano, Alonso, Kuyt, Agger, Riise, Hyypia, Carragher, Reina, Arbeloa. 

[Lucas]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

fuck me dead mate,, sorry if I has like sevenyears old at the time and only watched rugby league with my grandad. I'm only going on what others have told me

Sorry, I don't know your age nor wish to insult your knowledge and I get you were probably just putting it out there, but unless you actually know, it's a bit redundant. Definitely wasn't that dramatic.

Would be a bit like me saying George Best is overrated or so I was told, when I never saw him play and @CaaC (John) telling me to go give my head a wobble and have a massive chat with myself 

[Dr. Gonzo]

24 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Aye must of been a pity playing with Torres, Cisse, Suarez, Garcia, Macherano, Alonso, Kuyt, Agger, Riise, Hyypia, Carragher, Reina, Arbeloa. 

Now do Chelsea from Lampard’s time 

Also Luis Garcia, cult hero that he is, was one of the most infuriatingly inconsistent players I can remember. So many matches he’d be utter gash and then pop up with a moment of magic to save him performance.

Cisse was pretty shit too, weird inclusion!

[Cicero]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Now do Chelsea from Lampard’s time 

Also Luis Garcia, cult hero that he is, was one of the most infuriatingly inconsistent players I can remember. So many matches he’d be utter gash and then pop up with a moment of magic to save him performance.

Cisse was pretty shit too, weird inclusion!

Cisse was lethal for you in 2006! And Garcia was class. Same bracket as Duff and Malouda. 

I'm not refuting Lampard played with superior players, I'm refuting the continuous argument that Gerrard evidently had lesser players that held him down, which somehow highlights his accomplishments even more. Those players I mentioned accomplished incredible things in football, three of which were arguably the best in the world during their time at Liverpool. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Cicero said:

Cisse was lethal for you in 2006! And Garcia was class. Same bracket as Duff and Malouda. 

I'm not refuting Lampard played with superior players, I'm refuting the continuous argument that Gerrard evidently had lesser players that held him down, which somehow highlights his accomplishments even more. Those players I mentioned accomplished incredible things in football, three of which were arguably the best in the world during their time at Liverpool. 

 

Cisse only had pure pace. He had the composure of my arsehole after eating greasy takeaway though. Just couldn't trust him to not shit himself in front of goal.

He was basically just a glorified Darius Vassel - if we could have combined Baros & Cisse into one player... that would have probably been a great striker. But at no point in his time with us did I ever think "Cisse's brilliant" - I did think he was fast as fuck and if he could learn how to shoot and cross better he'd be great. I did think he got pretty unlucky with the leg breaks - but before and after them, he was very much the same player he was when he joined us.

We had a lot of signings like him tbh. Someone that did great when they were the main man at their club but when they came to Liverpool and the system wasn't built around them... they were really exposed.

Garcia is a cult hero and put in some great games, but he also was inconsistent as fuck - Duff was maybe as inconsistent (although I think his inconsistency was mostly due to injury, which made him look very bad compared to Robben who was also injured but almost looked like a player that could always influence a match with his class - and that's because Robben was world class) but I think Malouda offered much more overall to his game to Garcia.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Luis Garcia, and I always will, but he was basically a poor mans Joe Cole (unless you mean Joe Cole from his time at Liverpool, in which case he was a rich man's Joe Cole ). He delivered in big games so many times, was often nowhere to be seen though in the more "boring" matches... where needing a performance is usually what leads to progress in the league though.

[Cicero]

Malouda had 1 good season in 5.

And Duff > Robben at Chelsea. Easily. 

[Spike]

Yeah Robben was good for Chelsea but he didn't hit unreal levels till he was at Bayern Munich. Shame really, but what can you do

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Cicero said:

Malouda had 1 good season in 5.

And Duff > Robben at Chelsea. Easily. 

See so that shows how you should probably trust the fans who've spent most of their football team play when they watch football, and have most of their football memories committed to that team more than anything else (I barely remember moments from teams that aren't Liverpool because I don't care that much about those teams, so they're more forgettable memories lol) - Malouda's one good season in 5 is probably a bit like Cisse's 1 good season in his Liverpool career. You remember Cisse's best bits, I remember Maloudas.

I remember Robben only looking class at Chelsea  - but I'm pretty sure unlike Luis Garcia, who's career went a bit downhill after leaving us... Robben ended up being one of the best wingers in Europe. Similarly, Cisse became a journeyman that never really lived up to the promise of when he first broke through... I don't know what happened to Malouda though. I do remember Duff ended up basically not amounting to much more than his time at Chelsea, though.

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

See so that shows how you should probably trust the fans who've spent most of their football team play when they watch football, and have most of their football memories committed to that team more than anything else (I barely remember moments from teams that aren't Liverpool because I don't care that much about those teams, so they're more forgettable memories lol) -

and that is why it's a pointless argument really, the only person that can make a sound decision is someone that has watched all liverpool and chelsea games from the early 00s to the mid 10s and that person doesn't exist

I'd still pick robben over duff though, even though robben got better at bayern and for malouda, he was maddening outside of the first ancellotti season

[Devil-Dick Willie]

7 hours ago, DeadLinesman said:

Went for Lampard because I hate @Dr. Gonzo

 

Next up. Adriana Chechik vs Riley Reid.

How is that even a contest. A hot busty freak vs a skinny, borderline ugly skank

 

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Riley Reid

Classless. 

[Spike]

The trio of Anelka, Malouda, and Kalou was reviled. They were called Anelkalouda, Kalouless was another.

[Spike]

Just now, Devil-Dick Willie said:

How is that even a contest. A hot busty freak vs a skinny, borderline ugly skank

 

Classless. 

Chechik's face is busted from surgery and Riley Reid's arsehole isn't as loose and scary looking. Both are skank city.

[Devil-Dick Willie]

2 minutes ago, Spike said:

Chechik's face is busted from surgery and Riley Reid's arsehole isn't as loose and scary looking. Both are skank city.

I remember Ashlyn Brooke or some sit was the hot stuff when I was growing up. I was never the biggest fan. These days no one really watches porn stars, as every smashpig getting filmed on snap is technically a porn star, even some chick I boned last year has an onlyfans now  Came up on her snap story. 

That all being said Sasha foxxxx or whatever her name is, the one who only does blowjobs, she wears a little too much make up but I'd fuck. 

 

[Spike]

1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

I remember Ashlyn Brooke or some sit was the hot stuff when I was growing up. I was never the biggest fan. These days no one really watches porn stars, as every smashpig getting filmed on snap is technically a porn star, even some chick I boned last year has an onlyfans now  Came up on her snap story. 

That all being said Sasha foxxxx or whatever her name is, the one who only does blowjobs, she wears a little too much make up but I'd fuck. 

 

fuck me that takes me down memory lane to about 2007 pulling ashlyn brook's porn from limewire, she was hot as fuck but then i noticed she had mad scaring around her tits from implants

dunno how these girls think they are making wise decisions with onlyfans

[Devil-Dick Willie]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

fuck me that takes me down memory lane to about 2007 pulling ashlyn brook's porn from limewire, she was hot as fuck but then i noticed she had mad scaring around her tits from implants

dunno how these girls think they are making wise decisions with onlyfans

If you get famous enough on it it can bite you for sure. 

[Spike]

Just now, Devil-Dick Willie said:

If you get famous enough on it it can bite you for sure. 

ever read those social posts from chicks bitching about how they don't get paid enough on onlyfans and that they [work really hard] fucking hell, contraception and abortion was legalised for women like that.

[Cicero]

Can't think of anything more pointless than a porn star getting an OnlyFans. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

ever read those social posts from chicks bitching about how they don't get paid enough on onlyfans and that they [work really hard] fucking hell, contraception and abortion was legalised for women like that.

Last time she posted her homepage said my young friend had 20 something followers for $5 a month. $100 a month because she chose the right parents and played rugby as a teen. 

[Spike]

1 minute ago, Cicero said:

Can't think of anything more pointless than a porn star getting an OnlyFans. 

it isn't when the simps pay regardless

[Spike]

1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Last time she posted her homepage said my young friend had 20 something followers for $5 a month. $100 a month because she chose the right parents and played rugby as a teen. 

that isn't even two slabs of beer or whiteclaw whatever the fuck dumb white girls in australia drink in their 20s

[DeadLinesman]

17 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

How is that even a contest. A hot busty freak vs a skinny, borderline ugly skank

Woah. Now let’s not say things we can’t take back.