Daniel James - Leicester Linked

[Devil]

Just seen several links that Leicester may be in for Daniel James. 

To be honest if there is a club he's well suited to It's Leicester, James isn't any good against teams that set up defensively against us because he's a counter attacking player. 

Leicester play counter attacking football, James is perfect for that. 

 

 

[Rick]

Leicester can do a lot better than Daniel James, they should stay away and spend that chunk of money on somebody better. 
 

Brighton, on the other hand...

[Devil]

36 minutes ago, Rick said:

Leicester can do a lot better than Daniel James, they should stay away and spend that chunk of money on somebody better. 
 

Brighton, on the other hand...

Stop spoiling my thread.. 

I was happy to pimp out young Daniel to Leicester. 

Was even thinking of driving the lad down to meet Rodgers myself..

Actually to be truthful, I think he'd do well in their system, he'd do better than Perez. He's had some good games when we've had to counter attack. Clueless when 10 men ar behind the ball though. 

[Dan+]

We're not as counter attacking as we used to be. It's still in the armory but Rodgers preference is a more patient build up, generally.

[Danny]

Yeah Leicester are a possession based side now.

It was clear from the moment James was signed that the step up was too big, decent player with speed in abundance. Could do a job for Leicester as a sub and squad player when they're in Europe next season

[Dr. Gonzo]

Will help them win more penalties, can see why they're interested.

[Dan+]

He'd be good for a Crystal Palace. I think we can do better personally.

[Devil]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Will help them win more penalties, can see why they're interested.

Is this a dig at United or Leicester, we're both the penalty kings. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

5 minutes ago, Devil said:

Is this a dig at United or Leicester, we're both the penalty kings. 

 

Both & at Daniel James because he's a diving little shit

[Storts]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Both & at Daniel James because he's a diving little shit

So are you 

[Devil]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Both & at Daniel James because he's a diving little shit

Mo Salah, Mo Salah, diving in the box, Salah, lah lah, the diving King!!!! 

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Storts said:

So are you 

The only time I remember ever "diving" was when I was hit by a drunk driver and in fairness to me, I literally thought I might die if I tried to move myself. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Devil said:

Mo Salah, Mo Salah, diving in the box, Salah, lah lah, the diving King!!!! 

Until pundits and the twitterati start treating British serial divers the same way as they treat foreign divers, I'll always reserve extra criticism for UK born players that dive and basically get away with no criticism at all. He'll fit in nicely alongside Jamie Vardy in that regard.

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Until pundits and the twitterati start treating British serial divers the same way as they treat foreign divers, I'll always reserve extra criticism for UK born players that dive and basically get away with no criticism at all. He'll fit in nicely alongside Jamie Vardy in that regard.

That makes no sense  

Because pundits/'Twitterati' don't criticise enough means your players/foreign players don't dive as much?

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Stan said:

That makes no sense  

Because pundits/'Twitterati' don't criticise enough means your players/foreign players don't dive as much?

I honestly think most players in the prem dive around the same amount - they're all a bunch of cheats.

British players are basically given a free pass to dive as much as they like with minimal criticism though.

[Stan]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

British players are basically given a free pass to dive as much as they like with minimal criticism though.

Inherently not true though.

Sterling, Vardy, Kane all get plenty of stick. 

[Devil]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I honestly think most players in the prem dive around the same amount - they're all a bunch of cheats.

British players are basically given a free pass to dive as much as they like with minimal criticism though.

To be honest this diving business is nothing new, I've seen videos of Franny Lee diving for City, he was the worst for it back in the day. 

Then there was Germany in Italy 90, they'd hit about 4 foot in the air like they'd stood on a landmine. 

It's frustrating I will give you that but we now have VAR which is supposed to catch it out, hopefully it will be killed off from the game. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Stan said:

Inherently not true though.

Sterling, Vardy, Kane all get plenty of stick. 

"Getting plenty of stick" doesn't really equate to the same amount of stick though - and you can see it on twitter and with the pundits all the time; whereas when some players are actually fouled commentators and pundits talk about "well he's got a reputation of going down too soft... but it looks like he was fouled there" - you'd never really get the same scope and profile of the criticism.

So until they get the same scope and profile of criticism... I'll continue to point out when the media's homegrown golden boys are cheating everyone else.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Devil said:

To be honest this diving business is nothing new, I've seen videos of Franny Lee diving for City, he was the worst for it back in the day. 

Then there was Germany in Italy 90, they'd hit about 4 foot in the air like they'd stood on a landmine. 

It's frustrating I will give you that but we now have VAR which is supposed to catch it out, hopefully it will be killed off from the game. 

Tbf, for decades it was just seen as "part of the game" in most countries except for a few tbh. Italians and South Americans don't really get worked up about diving in the same way we do... because they see it as part of the game. And I remember reading a Maradona interview (I think it was) where they talk about how it's a skill a player has - being able to con the referee.

VAR should catch it out more... but I'm not hopeful tbh. One of the reason Daniel James sticks out in my mind as a diving little shit is I remember watching a match against... I think it was Norwich... but I'm not sure. And he went down in the box with the most blatant dive I'd seen in a while - referee was having none of it... up until VAR reviewed it and gave the penalty, despite looking at the absence of a foul in slow motion in several angles.

So if conning the referees is a skill players have, players with that skill are fucking lucky if they're playing in England anywhere between 2019-2021... because our referees are absolute clowns 

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

"Getting plenty of stick" doesn't really equate to the same amount of stick though - and you can see it on twitter and with the pundits all the time; whereas when some players are actually fouled commentators and pundits talk about "well he's got a reputation of going down too soft... but it looks like he was fouled there" - you'd never really get the same scope and profile of the criticism.

So until they get the same scope and profile of criticism... I'll continue to point out when the media's homegrown golden boys are cheating everyone else.

Semantics then. 

What isn't true is that British players are given a free pass. I can't agree with that.

[Devil]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Tbf, for decades it was just seen as "part of the game" in most countries except for a few tbh. Italians and South Americans don't really get worked up about diving in the same way we do... because they see it as part of the game. And I remember reading a Maradona interview (I think it was) where they talk about how it's a skill a player has - being able to con the referee.

VAR should catch it out more... but I'm not hopeful tbh. One of the reason Daniel James sticks out in my mind as a diving little shit is I remember watching a match against... I think it was Norwich... but I'm not sure. And he went down in the box with the most blatant dive I'd seen in a while - referee was having none of it... up until VAR reviewed it and gave the penalty, despite looking at the absence of a foul in slow motion in several angles.

So if conning the referees is a skill players have, players with that skill are fucking lucky if they're playing in England anywhere between 2019-2021... because our referees are absolute clowns 

On the other hand James gets an absolute kicking most games due to his pace, he only knows how to run in a straight line and often he gets taken down. 

I agree though he does dive from time to time. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

19 minutes ago, Devil said:

On the other hand James gets an absolute kicking most games due to his pace, he only knows how to run in a straight line and often he gets taken down. 

I agree though he does dive from time to time. 

Do you think that's all he really has to his game, his pace?

Because I remember early on with his time at Man Utd... he looked raw, but it looked like there was potential to mold him into a pretty decent winger. But I've seen it a billion times before at Liverpool, and shitloads of other clubs tbh... you sign a young player that has lots of raw potential - if only the manager could just guide the player to achieving a bit more... but then they never kick on and remain the same exact player they were when they first joined.

[Devil]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Do you think that's all he really has to his game, his pace?

Because I remember early on with his time at Man Utd... he looked raw, but it looked like there was potential to mold him into a pretty decent winger. But I've seen it a billion times before at Liverpool, and shitloads of other clubs tbh... you sign a young player that has lots of raw potential - if only the manager could just guide the player to achieving a bit more... but then they never kick on and remain the same exact player they were when they first joined.

Mate he's only good in a counter attacking team, the only good games he's had is where we've set up to catch teams on the break. 

Chelsea away, City a few times, Leeds because they were wide open to it. 

As soon as you play a Burnley back 10 he's got zero clue what to do. It's then you find he can't pass, he can't take a man on from a standing position and he is pretty terrible in one on one situations. 

I think he's got a role at a club but it's a limited role. We could keep him and play him in specialist games that suit him but that will be few and far between now we are improving. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Devil said:

I think he's got a role at a club but it's a limited role. We could keep him and play him in specialist games that suit him but that will be few and far between now we are improving. 

Probably better for all parties to get him a move away. Limiting his appearances to where he'd be most able to contribute... isn't really going to develop him into a better player at the end of the day. He's only going to learn how to add more to his game with regular football, imo.

Likewise, United can't just rely on such a one-dimensional squad player - even as just a squad player for depth. Sure he'll be useful in counter attacking scenarios with his pace, but as you get closer and closer to being the United of old and spend more time on the front foot... you're going to be facing more and more sides that defend deep and compact. You'll need players that can do more than just run in a straight line to break down those sides (no doubt having shitloads of pace to burn is still a threat to sides like that though).

[Devil]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Probably better for all parties to get him a move away. Limiting his appearances to where he'd be most able to contribute... isn't really going to develop him into a better player at the end of the day. He's only going to learn how to add more to his game with regular football, imo.

Likewise, United can't just rely on such a one-dimensional squad player - even as just a squad player for depth. Sure he'll be useful in counter attacking scenarios with his pace, but as you get closer and closer to being the United of old and spend more time on the front foot... you're going to be facing more and more sides that defend deep and compact. You'll need players that can do more than just run in a straight line to break down those sides (no doubt having shitloads of pace to burn is still a threat to sides like that though).

To be honest I think his pace is overated. Championship level it worked well for him but most Premier league players are fast anyway and they know how to defend against players with pace and skill. 

A one dimensional player is so easy defend against.