Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I'm just trying to kill some time here as I'm waiting for something in a about an hour. Going to include up to 2 legends amongst the best each country has seen. I'll see just how cultured I truly am. Peru Teofilo Cubillas Hector Chumpitaz Ecuador Alex Aguinaga Alberto Spencer Argentina Diego Maradona Lionel Messi Brazil Pele Garrincha Uruguay Luis Suarez Obdulio Varela Venezuela Salomon Rondon Juan Arango Colombia James Rodriguez Carlos Valderrama Chile Alexis Sanchez Arturo Vidal Paraguay Jose Luis Chilavert Arsenio Erico Bolivia Victor Ugarte Platini Sanchez Germany Toni Kroos Franz Beckenbauer Spain Andres Iniesta Xavi England Bobby Charlton Kevin Keegan France Kylian Mbappe Michel Platini Portugal Cristiano Ronaldo Eusebio Netherlands Johan Cruyff Marco Van Basten Mexico Hugo Sanchez Chicharito USA Landon Donovan Christian Pulisic Canada Alphonso Davies Dwayne De Rosario Croatia Davor Suker Luka Modric Poland Robert Lewandowski Grzegorz Lato Ukraine Andriy Shevchenko Oleg Blokhin Japan Shinji Kagawa Kaoru Mitoma South Korea Son Heung Min Cha Bum Kun Australia Mark Viduka Tim Cahill New Zealand Wynton Rufer Chris Wood Nigeria Jay Jay Okocha Mikel John Obi Ivory Coast Didier Drogba Yaya Toure Algeria Riyad Mahrez Rabah Madjer Egypt Mohammed Salah Mohamed Abu Trika Scotland Kenny Dalglish Denis Law Italy Paolo Maldini Roberto Baggio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Some bold takes in there, especially the Toni Kroos one but I truly believe he's accomplished enough both technically and trophy wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Best players or most important? Because it’s Johnny Warren and Harry Kewell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Spike said: Best players or most important? Because it’s Johnny Warren and Harry Kewell. I think Tim Cahill earned it more than Kewell. Maybe he wasn't more talented but for the Australian NT he achieved more while being the star player for many more years including in an Asian Cup win (uncomparable because Kewell played more time in Oceania but it's about the principle). Fair enough on Johnny Warren. He was not better than Mark Viduka, Kewell or Cahill but his influence was stronger for the rest of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Iran: Ali Daei & Mehdi Mahdavikiah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck 175 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) I think legends might not be the right word here. Not sure every country has a player ot two who should be considered a legend Northern Ireland George Best Pat Jennings Hungery Fernec Puskas Sandor Kocsis USSR Lev Yashin Oleg Bloklhin Edited January 9 by Redcanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose 4,412 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) @Goku de la Boca How comes people from Spanish speaking countries are tending to think playing or having played with Real would constitute a German legend? Toni Kroos is far from being one, I'd even say players you have likely never heard of like eg Karl Heinz Körbel are much more of a German legend than him. Edited January 9 by Rucksackfranzose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I think Souness belongs on the list for Scotland alongside Dalglish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: I think legends might not be the right word here. Not sure every country has a player ot two who should be considered a legend Probably not legends in a world football sense, but legends in that country. Like for Iran, probably nobody's going to give a shit about the two players I listed. But for Iranians, Ali Daei's a legend because he scored so many fucking goals for Iran - he held that top international goalscorer record for a very long time. Sure he played in Asia so some of his opponents were terrible, but you can only beat what you're up against and other players haven't even really come close to Daei. Plus he's the first Iranian to play for an absolutely massive club in European football. He's basically a God in Iran - even when he made several anti-government statements last year, they couldn't do what they normally do to dissenting voices and just arrest/torture him into compliance; his punishment was having his passport (and his immediate family's too) confiscated. They feared the public backlash of going down as hard on him as they have to other dissenting voices, including other footballers who've represented the national team And the other one I listed is just a player who was very good for a long time in Europe and during what was the best period of Iran's national team in my lifetime he was such an important player. But I'm pretty sure in terms of legend status in Iran, Ali Parvin... who's way before my time... is probably #2 next to Ali Daei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,412 Posted January 9 Administrator Share Posted January 9 Keegan?! Why Banks, Hurst, Moore or any of that 66 World Cup winning side are way ahead of Keegan. Even the likes of Gazza (his legacy), Rooney or Kane for the goalscoring records? Japan have had legends more so than Mitoma. Keisuke Honda, Nagatomo, Yoshida or Okazaki based on appearances at least. I love Baggio as well for Italy, but again, there are probably bigger legends than him - Dino Zoff, Nesta, Cannavaro, Totti, Del Piero, Buffon, Meazza, Riva, Baresi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Beckham and Gazza would probably be the most iconic of English players, regardless of success or ability. Surely Rush and Bale for Wales? 37 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I think Souness belongs on the list for Scotland alongside Dalglish. When I think of Scotland I think of Law, Dalglish, or Souness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, Stan said: Keegan?! Why Tbf Keegan's an absolute legend. He's my dad's all time favourite player. Won the Balon d'Or twice in the Cryuff & Beckenbaur era - so he was one hell of a player. I think his legacy is probably greater than Gazza's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike 3,013 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, Stan said: Keegan?! Why Banks, Hurst, Moore or any of that 66 World Cup winning side are way ahead of Keegan. Even the likes of Gazza (his legacy), Rooney or Kane for the goalscoring records? Japan have had legends more so than Mitoma. Keisuke Honda, Nagatomo, Yoshida or Okazaki based on appearances at least. I love Baggio as well for Italy, but again, there are probably bigger legends than him - Dino Zoff, Nesta, Cannavaro, Totti, Del Piero, Buffon, Meazza, Riva, Baresi... I'm not saying he'd be in the top two for England but it's hardly a laughable suggestion. I'm obviously too young to have seen him play but know how highly thought of he was in football at that time. Incredible at Liverpool and might have been even more highly thought of at Liverpool had his replacement not been Kenny Dalglish. Then went to Hamburg and won the Ballon d'Or in back to back years. It depends how we're defining this though I suppose. Is it what they achieved for their country or overall? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Goku de la Boca said: I think Tim Cahill earned it more than Kewell. Maybe he wasn't more talented but for the Australian NT he achieved more while being the star player for many more years including in an Asian Cup win (uncomparable because Kewell played more time in Oceania but it's about the principle). Fair enough on Johnny Warren. He was not better than Mark Viduka, Kewell or Cahill but his influence was stronger for the rest of time. No. Without Johnny Warren the sport wouldn’t exist in Australia, and Harry Kewell was the very first Australian player to be even remotely close to a star or a household name, which he still largely wasn’t. Tim Cahill, I love him but reaped rewards for being around longer and played when the sport had more exposure. Harry Kewell was the reason people were talking about the World Cup in 2006, I don’t think I had even watched a single game of the sport before then, because it wasn’t on TV, the A-League literally started the year before, and it was barely spoken of on the news; you may have gotten a quick Premier League score on the morning news once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 TBH Keegan has become kind of a forgotten player compared to his contemporaries; despite winning the Balon d’Or twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Spike said: TBH Keegan has become kind of a forgotten player compared to his contemporaries; despite winning the Balon d’Or twice. Bit fucked tbh, he's one of the greatest English players of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Bit fucked tbh, he's one of the greatest English players of all time. Yeah, I dunno why some people develop personality cults while others don’t. You can’t criticise certain players like Zidane, while being an obvious icon of the sport has montages on youtube that show him doing absolutely pointless tricks in games like doing a Cryuff turn unmarked lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, LFCMike said: I'm not saying he'd be in the top two for England but it's hardly a laughable suggestion. I'm obviously too young to have seen him play but know how highly thought of he was in football at that time. Incredible at Liverpool and might have been even more highly thought of at Liverpool had his replacement not been Kenny Dalglish. Then went to Hamburg and won the Ballon d'Or in back to back years. It depends how we're defining this though I suppose. Is it what they achieved for their country or overall? This, my dad has spoken wonders of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Rucksackfranzose said: @Goku de la Boca How comes people from Spanish speaking countries are tending to think playing or having played with Real would constitute a German legend? Toni Kroos is far from being one, I'd even say players you have likely never heard of like eg Karl Heinz Körbel are much more of a German legend than him. He’s definitely not a legend which may have been a mistake given the title of the thread but he was a motor for Real Madrid in a three peat of the CL and also important in a World Cup win. I think he deserves a bit more credit than he gets to be honest, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 When I think of Germany I think of Beckenbauer and Mattaus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca 121 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Just now, Spike said: When I think of Germany I think of Beckenbauer and Mattaus As would most, I suppose the 2014 generation will be seen as legends as time goes on. From 2006-2014, they were the most consistent World Cup team and did manage to eventually win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Spike said: Yeah, I dunno why some people develop personality cults while others don’t. You can’t criticise certain players like Zidane, while being an obvious icon of the sport has montages on youtube that show him doing absolutely pointless tricks in games like doing a Cryuff turn unmarked lmao I think it's wild he was sort of laughed off while Gazza was suggested for his legacy. Not saying Gazza was a bad player, not at all... but isn't his legacy mostly being incredibly talented... but never really living up to his potential? When you look at Keegan's record and his impact on the sides he joined - I think it's hard not to consider him a legend. And look at who was winning Balon d'Ors at the time he won 2 back to back. They're regarded as some of the best names to have ever been involved in the sport. Which means at his best, Keegan was right up there as one of the best players in the world. I think he's the only English player to have won it more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Spike said: When I think of Germany I think of Beckenbauer and Mattaus Gerd Muller too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,199 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Can I just say: lol @ James Rodriguez. Surely Falcao or Higuita ahead of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,107 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: I think it's wild he was sort of laughed off while Gazza was suggested for his legacy. Not saying Gazza was a bad player, not at all... but isn't his legacy mostly being incredibly talented... but never really living up to his potential? When you look at Keegan's record and his impact on the sides he joined - I think it's hard not to consider him a legend. And look at who was winning Balon d'Ors at the time he won 2 back to back. They're regarded as some of the best names to have ever been involved in the sport. Which means at his best, Keegan was right up there as one of the best players in the world. I think he's the only English player to have won it more than once. It’s because Gazza played in the Premier League and had more exposure to a wider audience I suppose, with the game being ‘more professional’. You’d have to think if Keegan had played in the 90s he’d be the biggest star in the world, but nah he has a terrible 70s perm and fucked off to Germany for a couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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