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From the FA site...

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Following a detailed investigation into an allegation of discriminatory conduct against Liverpool’s Roberto Firmino by Everton’s Mason Holgate, The FA can confirm that it will not be taking any disciplinary action against Firmino.

The decision

Having considered all of the available evidence, we consider it is not sufficient to raise a charge against Firmino.

However, we are completely satisfied that the allegation was made in absolute good faith by Holgate and that there is no suggestion of this being an intentionally false or malicious allegation.

We continue to take all allegations of discrimination extremely seriously and would encourage all participants who believe that they have been the subject of or witness to discriminatory abuse to report this through the appropriate channels. Holgate and Everton followed the proper process by reporting the matter to the match officials at the time and subsequently to The FA.

We receive a significant number of complaints of discrimination in any one season and thoroughly investigate all complaints we receive. Following consideration of all of the evidence received, not all cases will result in a charge being issued.

The investigation

The evidence for the allegation came from Holgate. During a fixture between Liverpool and Everton on 5 January 2018, Holgate alleged that he had heard Firmino use a discriminatory term towards him.

On hearing this, Holgate followed correct procedures by immediately alerting the match referee of the allegation, along with other Everton players who were in close proximity. The incident was formally reported to the match officials following the fixture and subsequently reported to The FA.

We took statements from a total of 12 players and officials from both teams, the match referee and the fourth official. None of these individuals directly heard the words alleged to have been said by Firmino.

Firmino was formally interviewed by The FA and provided an alternative account to the words alleged by Holgate. Firmino stated that he had insulted Holgate in Portuguese, but denied categorically using any discriminatory language towards him.

As part of the investigation, The FA sought the assistance of a Brazilian/Portuguese linguistic specialist on the words alleged. In addition to this, we also obtained multiple angles of video footage, including broadcast and unseen footage showing the incident, which was assessed by two independent Portuguese speaking lip reading experts. The evidence obtained from the experts did not support the allegation.

We appreciate that this has been a difficult process for both parties, and would like to express our thanks to Mason Holgate and Roberto Firmino as well as both clubs for their assistance, professionalism and full cooperation during this investigation.

 

case closed I'd say. Can't get any clearer than that and explains why it took a while. 

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1 minute ago, HK85 said:

He was pushing a racist into a group of Tories. He should be given the freedom of the city. 

Yes Everton fans have never been racist or even famous for racism ever in their past. And a famously not-tory city most likely has all of the tories as fans in one club and in one stand (although don't tell my blueshite tory gobshite cousin that).

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6 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

The ref had a really poor game that night. He obviously saw the push and how he didn't think it was at least a yellow I'll never know. 

He, like many other English referees, is an incompetent twat. He was right fucking there with the players, so he'd hear whether or not there was racial abuse, so there's also no reason for this shit to have gone on for so long.

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yes Everton fans have never been racist or even famous for racism ever in their past. And a famously not-tory city most likely has all of the tories as fans in one club and in one stand (although don't tell my blueshite tory gobshite cousin that).

Good post and I agree with it all. Fair play of the emphasis of 'never' and 'ever' as well. Key to getting any point across is always getting it in bold, italics and underlined. +1 for that. 

Next time our future leader Jez comes to this wonderful city and we make our way to St George's Hall, I don't want Steve Rotherham there, nor do I want people like Paul Mason. I want Mason up there. 

Goosing Pia Mia in Dubai on a training trip, handing slap downs to Tory Reds as well.He's a real hero of this city. And he's not even from here! 

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Good post and I agree with it all. Fair play of the emphasis of 'never' and 'ever' as well. Key to getting any point across is always getting it in bold, italics and underlined. +1 for that. 

Next time our future leader Jez comes to this wonderful city and we make our way to St George's Hall, I don't want Steve Rotherham there, nor do I want people like Paul Mason. I want Mason up there. 

Goosing Pia Mia in Dubai on a training trip, handing slap downs to Tory Reds as well.He's a real hero of this city. And he's not even from here! 

https://www.efcstatto.com/stories/everton-and-racism/

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10 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

This is not proof that Firmino didn't say anything, just that it was inconclusive and nobody heard what was alleged. There's also no reason why Holgate should be banned or face a ban, he made an allegation in good faith. 

Nobody heard it because it didn't happen. There was the referee stood between the two players and three or four players in the vicinity of them. Simple case of Holgate losing his head at the time and thinking he heard something he didn't, so I agree he shouldn't face a ban

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It was obvious from the start that it was all a load of bollocks. 

Holgate reported hearing it despite everyone else in the vicinity hearing nothing of the sort. All this happening a fraction of a second after Holgate had launched Firmino into the crowd. 

Anyone would think he said it to avoid getting sent off :ph34r:

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Nobody heard it because it didn't happen. There was the referee stood between the two players and three or four players in the vicinity of them. Simple case of Holgate losing his head at the time and thinking he heard something he didn't, so I agree he shouldn't face a ban

I agree. You can't ban a player for reporting something, if it is indeed in good faith, even if it turns out they misheard something. Players still get racial abuse from the stands and when things get heated, as they obviously were because Firmino was pissed off about being pushed into the stands, shit can be said. And with the crowd as riled up as they were, some dumb cunt could have said something racist and he's got Firmino shouting at him. Can't fault him for reporting it to the referee, he's supposed to.

I can fault the FA for this taking so long. They interviewed 12 players and the referee... why the fuck did this drag on for 47 days? And the rule that retrospective punishment can't be imposed if the referee sees it is fucking stupid. Holgate should never have pushed Firmino into the stands in the first place. He should have, at very least, been given a yellow (and that would have been getting off easy imo). Could have ended pretty differently if Firmino had landed on his head, dangerous all around.

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I can fault the FA for this taking so long. They interviewed 12 players and the referee... why the fuck did this drag on for 47 days? And the rule that retrospective punishment can't be imposed if the referee sees it is fucking stupid. Holgate should never have pushed Firmino into the stands in the first place. He should have, at very least, been given a yellow (and that would have been getting off easy imo). Could have ended pretty differently if Firmino had landed on his head, dangerous all around.

What if he had a knife?!?!

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1 minute ago, HK85 said:

What if he had a knife?!?!

Is Big Spunk still involved at your club? Wouldn't put it past him to coach the youth to be ready to take battery to the next level.

It's pretty amusing that Everton fans don't seem to think a player being shoved in the back and falling into the stands isn't dangerous at all. Imagine if that's what Firmino had done to Holgate instead xD

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I can just imagine the actual accusation going in from Holgate to the referee....

“Ref, that bloke over there, the one I just launched into the crowd, that is the same colour skin as me, just called me something that relates me to be the same colour skin as him”

 

You couldn’t make it up! 

 

Evra the second  

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree. You can't ban a player for reporting something, if it is indeed in good faith, even if it turns out they misheard something. Players still get racial abuse from the stands and when things get heated, as they obviously were because Firmino was pissed off about being pushed into the stands, shit can be said. And with the crowd as riled up as they were, some dumb cunt could have said something racist and he's got Firmino shouting at him. Can't fault him for reporting it to the referee, he's supposed to.

I can fault the FA for this taking so long. They interviewed 12 players and the referee... why the fuck did this drag on for 47 days? And the rule that retrospective punishment can't be imposed if the referee sees it is fucking stupid. Holgate should never have pushed Firmino into the stands in the first place. He should have, at very least, been given a yellow (and that would have been getting off easy imo). Could have ended pretty differently if Firmino had landed on his head, dangerous all around.

agreed. such dumb logic. 

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